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Old 02-09-2008, 06:30 PM
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Default DW drums new 23" Bass Drum

Must be because something to do with Neil Peart's 'Snakes And Arrows' Kit with it's very unique 23" bass drum!

What head would you use though?
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:34 PM
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lol thats a point. you would have to get the head custom made or something
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:40 PM
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This is relatively old news. Buy the heads through dw, (bend over) if the drum catches on, you'll see the heads becoming available.
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Old 02-10-2008, 03:27 AM
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I couldn't provide a source on this but I've heard somewhere that Remo has made an agreement with DW to produce 23" and 25" bass heads. If it's true, I wonder if any other manufacturers will catch on. Personally I think it's a waste of time. "Well, my 22" is just barely too high-pitched, but my 24" is too deep for my liking."

If you really have the money to invest in a 23" bass drum, then I would suggest trying a different wood bass drum, or heck, a different tuning.
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Old 02-10-2008, 04:37 AM
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It'll be interesting to hear a 23" bass.
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I couldn't provide a source on this but I've heard somewhere that Remo has made an agreement with DW to produce 23" and 25" bass heads.
The german distributution for Remo told me, that Remo could produce any size you want, and would do for everyone who's asking. Of course then you have to take a certain number.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:13 AM
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Probably won't catch on immediately cuz people are opposed to new ideas. It's like the gas efficient cars, people didn't give them a second look until gas prices went up. I'm guessing since emo/screamo music is huge on trends like those super huge bass drums, kids will all want a 23" the moment one of those drummers uses one. For now the rockstars like Peart can have drums in whatever size they want. They are rockstars after all, ha ha.

An example are 20x22 bass drums. They have been around for a long time but only famous drummers used them. Now they are becoming main stream. It just took punk and emo drummers using them to make them more acceptable. Now even metal drummers are adopting this size.

Anyway you can't knock it till you tried it. You can say just tune your bass drum this way or that, but that changes the feel and response. I own a 13" snare and tuned to its natural sweet spot sounds great and has a great feel. If I tried to tune my 14" that high it would turn into a marching snare with too much rebound for my taste. My point is that one inch makes more of a difference than you think. From 22-24 is a huge gap. But if you have a size to bridge the gap then you can get the best of both worlds. No having to use specific heads or woods or anything. It's all good.

I am moving to a 20" bass drum in the future so this bass drum size doesn't apply to me but it's good to keep an open mind to new ideas. It's cool to see the drum industry growing and giving us new options everyday from better bass pedals to new drum sizes and finishes.
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It'll be interesting to hear a 23" bass.

Must sound something like "boom"... lol
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wrong. "Boom" would be a 22"... and "Boooom" would be a 24"... so the 23" is obviously a "Booom".
...and a 20" would be "Bm", and an 18", "Buh" and a 16, "B".

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wrong. "Boom" would be a 22"... and "Boooom" would be a 24"... so the 23" is obviously a "Booom".
...and a 20" would be "Bm", and an 18", "Buh" and a 16, "B".
That there be very scientific reasoning. Aydee for the Nobel Prize for 'Contributions in the Advancement of Verbalising Bass Drum Sounds'
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Old 02-13-2008, 11:49 AM
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My mistake. You should work at DW as their official bass drum test technician : "No, too boom-ish for a 20"... next !"

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wrong. "Boom" would be a 22"... and "Boooom" would be a 24"... so the 23" is obviously a "Booom".
...and a 20" would be "Bm", and an 18", "Buh" and a 16, "B".
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I'd like to see a 17" floor tom myself....

They may be on to something with a 23 or 25" bass drum....Neil Peart used 24's for so long, I was kinda surprised that he went to a 22 in the first place.

Must have been the Freddie Gruber influence?...

The 24's he used to play sounded great.

I heard from my drum shop guy that Remo is offering those odd size heads, but it takes like 4 months to get them or something.

I'll just be sticking with my 26.
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I'd like to see a 17" floor tom myself....

They may be on to something with a 23 or 25" bass drum....Neil Peart used 24's for so long, I was kinda surprised that he went to a 22 in the first place.

Must have been the Freddie Gruber influence?...

The 24's he used to play sounded great.

I heard from my drum shop guy that Remo is offering those odd size heads, but it takes like 4 months to get them or something.

I'll just be sticking with my 26.
Why not make every drum size from 6 to30 inches in odd and even sizes? Western trap sets have been around for 150 years and I can't believe it took until 2008 for someone to figure out that people want and will pay for odd sizes! What a stick-in-the-mud industry!
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Why not make every drum size from 6 to30 inches in odd and even sizes?
What and miss out the 32" bass drum!

Well...actually, the 32" bass drum is quite pointless.
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What and miss out the 32" bass drum!

Well...actually, the 32" bass drum is quite pointless.
haha, if you look at that zildjian add with tommy lee there's no pedal hooked up to his....
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haha, if you look at that zildjian add with tommy lee there's no pedal hooked up to his....
Tommy Lee used to have a DW double pedal attached to it, but he mainly uses his 26" Bass drum now.
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I got a dw blue sparkle kit with a 23" kick on it in my shop right now and it sounds amazing.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:19 PM
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How much different than a 22 or 24?

What's the depth?

Sound a bit fuller than a 22, and not a big as a 24?

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Can you spell Marketing Hype. If its DW it must be right. Bah.
Totally agree. I think a line of drums sold in metric sizes would sound much better than those sold in "inch" sizes.

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What and miss out the 32" bass drum!

Well...actually, the 32" bass drum is quite pointless.
32" bass drum, bet lars ulrich would have a hard time playing a kit with a couple of those on it.
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HEY....if neil peart is behind the 23" kicks then EVERYONE should have them. whatever neil plays the rest of the world should follow....isn't that the rule?

now i'm just DYING for that peart 23" snare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Must sound something like "boom"... lol
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Of course there will be some difference. How much is in question. Folks do like to be unique and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Just recently, I was at the MusikMesse in Frankfurt and I saw Curt Bisquera playing with the new 23" kick. Sounded good I must say.
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Well, I thought this smacked of marketing hype myself until I considered that, regarding tom sizes, I have specific biases with certain sizes.

I have yet to find a 13" or 16" tom I really care to play... 12", 15" even 18" are cool but those two sizes just don't do it for me... IIRC, Neil doesn't like 14" toms for some reason...

Bass drum-wise I don't particularly enjoy playing 22" drums - 20" have a nice punch, 24" have a cool low-end boom... I'm looking forward to trying a 23" just to see how it compares...
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32" bass drum, bet lars ulrich would have a hard time playing a kit with a couple of those on it.
Would he even be able to see over one of them??? Hmmmmmm..........

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Neil's had some contradictions. For those of us old enough to remember, back in the 80s he pushed Tama's Artstar series, but his own kit, pictured in the ads, had neither Artstar finishes nor hardware (and somebody once told me one of the bass drums had a custom-built ashtray mounted on it). At the time, he was also touting Artstar's thin, resonant shell, but he nevertheless used red-tinted Evans Hydraulics (a layer of oil between the two plies!) on the tops AND the bottoms of his toms. And, yes, his kit had 24" bass drums, which he used until he went to the smaller, single-bass drum Ludwig kit that's now, if I'm not mistaken, in the rock 'n' roll HOF. Somehow, based on his ad for dw, he'd forgotten that. But none of us were into Neil and Rush b/c of the sizes of his drums. We were influenced by his equipment choices only after we were impressed with his drumming. So Neil, to me, can say whatever he wants . . . If he thought those 24 inch kicks were 22s, then so be it!
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His "thin shell" ArtStars also had the "Vibra-fibing" fiberglass sprayed in them.
But, it's not like it totally changed the way those shells sounded right?

Ever since that DW ad came out I've been wondering WHY no one seems to care that he's said he's played only 22's for 33 years.

It's not an "ad agency mistake", he's got it linked to his web site for cryin' out loud.
He knows what the ad says.
All the Tama kits had 24's.

I guess most people don't care, but it's made me think he's just sold out to the "DW man" for some gear and some publicity--not that an ad has ever made me want to buy any product, and I'm hardly a disillusioned young fan, it's just that it's a crock, and he always seemed the type to stay away from stuff like that in the past.

Oh well.
I still want to hear one of these bass drums anyway.
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wrong. "Boom" would be a 22"... and "Boooom" would be a 24"... so the 23" is obviously a "Booom".
...and a 20" would be "Bm", and an 18", "Buh" and a 16, "B".
And a 26 would be Boooooom. =p
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The 23" kick does indeed sound like hype, getting heads would be a hassle, but it's creative. i don't honestly think there would be that much tonal difference between a 22 and 24. toms would be different seeing as how they are smaller and higher pitched than kicks.

aesthetically, i'd love to have a 17" floor tom though. i've always found 16's too small and a single 18 too big for a 22" setup.
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I guess most people don't care, but it's made me think he's just sold out to the "DW man" for some gear and some publicity--not that an ad has ever made me want to buy any product, and I'm hardly a disillusioned young fan, it's just that it's a crock, and he always seemed the type to stay away from stuff like that in the past.

Yeah and there has been a discussion on other forums about his staying away from marketing and then going to Sabian and having the Paragon line developed.

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Tommy Lee used to have a DW double pedal attached to it, but he mainly uses his 26" Bass drum now.
really I guess you didn't see this yet! LOL

http://new.music.yahoo.com/singleVideo/?vid=59616019

What size is this? 5 foot or 60" bass drum?

23" is old school now!! LOL what a joke! This guy has no talent so he uses a show to look good! Just like the old Tommy and the big show he puts on. Why not just play the drums and impress people?
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His "thin shell" ArtStars also had the "Vibra-fibing" fiberglass sprayed in them.
But, it's not like it totally changed the way those shells sounded right?

Ever since that DW ad came out I've been wondering WHY no one seems to care that he's said he's played only 22's for 33 years.

It's not an "ad agency mistake", he's got it linked to his web site for cryin' out loud.
He knows what the ad says.
All the Tama kits had 24's.

I guess most people don't care, but it's made me think he's just sold out to the "DW man" for some gear and some publicity--not that an ad has ever made me want to buy any product, and I'm hardly a disillusioned young fan, it's just that it's a crock, and he always seemed the type to stay away from stuff like that in the past.

Oh well.
I still want to hear one of these bass drums anyway.
Absolutely! The first time I ever heard of a 24" bass drum was when he said he played them in the 'Moving Pictures' Tour programme - if I can remember all these years why can't he? If he likes the depth of a 24" but the feel of a 22" - sounds like a 22" 'VLT' or 'X-shell' would do the trick nicely? But I guess the 23" is a bit of fun, and one listen to 'Permanent Waves' and all is forgiven!
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I'm just going to comment on what I've read here, as I haven't seen the ads and such... but who knows what Neils home kit was? Maybe he has played 22's for all of those years. His studio kit could have consisted of anything.. His touring kits probably had 22's and 24's over the years..

I know guys that used to record with 18 and 20" kicks, then play live with 24's.... In the studio you are looking for sound, on stage you are looking for image, at home you want comfort and maybe the 22's at home gave him that..

Just a thought.
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His "thin shell" ArtStars also had the "Vibra-fibing" fiberglass sprayed in them.
But, it's not like it totally changed the way those shells sounded right?

Ever since that DW ad came out I've been wondering WHY no one seems to care that he's said he's played only 22's for 33 years.

It's not an "ad agency mistake", he's got it linked to his web site for cryin' out loud.
He knows what the ad says.
All the Tama kits had 24's.

I guess most people don't care, but it's made me think he's just sold out to the "DW man" for some gear and some publicity--not that an ad has ever made me want to buy any product, and I'm hardly a disillusioned young fan, it's just that it's a crock, and he always seemed the type to stay away from stuff like that in the past.

Oh well.
I still want to hear one of these bass drums anyway.
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I'm glad you addressed this because when I orignally read the DW Neil ad for the 23" I was like "what is he talking about...he's played 24" all his life!" Whatever...that is very strange to me and I'm glad you brought it up,....strange!

Also, .... the "Artstars" Neil played were "prototypes" ..that's why they had Superstar hardware on them
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it is probably a lot cheaper to just buy a 24" bass drum. you also need to think about were would you get the heads. you probably have to special order them which would make them more expensive and also you have to think does that extra inch really going to make a difference.
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It's not hype - I played one and it sounded pretty amazing. I don't know why, but it sounded better than any other kick that I've played and felt really great too. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
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