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Old 01-03-2015, 09:12 PM
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Default [SNARE CHOICE] Good price Stave snare GRETSCH vs WM vs Natal

Hi guys,

I want to buy a new snare, I found 3 models for my budget.
I already tried stave snares and love the way they sound.

hardware seems to be great on all. Bearing edges and wood seem to be nice too. Please help so :)

Which one would you go for between :

Gretsch Stave Cherry 14x6.5 (made in Tawain)
Worldmax Walnut Stave 14x7 (made in Tawain)
Natal Ash Stave 14x6.5 (Made in UK)

I can get it for the same prices :



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Old 01-03-2015, 09:24 PM
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I've tried all three. Although they all miss the mark in terms of what a really good quality stave snare can achieve, they do so at a price level that makes sense of the deficiency. To my ear, with the samples I tried, the Worldmax sounded the most satisfying, although all exhibited excessive errant high overtones. The Natal was the second best sounding, & had the best strainer. Natal also have the longest association with this shell construction (bongos, congas, etc). The Gretsch I tried was 1 notch up from horrible. I attribute hardware mass as being the biggest differentiator between the three drums, although there's undoubtably shell differences too.

Overall, all three offer strong value for money.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:39 PM
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I've tried all three. Although they all miss the mark in terms of what a really good quality stave snare can achieve, they do so at a price level that makes sense of the deficiency. To my ear, with the samples I tried, the Worldmax sounded the most satisfying, although all exhibited excessive errant high overtones. The Natal was the second best sounding, & had the best strainer. Natal also have the longest association with this shell construction (bongos, congas, etc). The Gretsch I tried was 1 notch up from horrible. I attribute hardware mass as being the biggest differentiator between the three drums, although there's undoubtably shell differences too.

Overall, all three offer strong value for money.
Interesting ! Thanks
The Worldmax, to my ears, has more low ends than the other ones.
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The Worldmax, to my ears, has more low ends than the other ones.
It does. It produces slightly more in the lower register, partly because of reduced hardware mass compared to the others. The Gretsch probably has more hardware mass than shell mass.
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I have tried all three, and now own a natal stave bubinga. One of the all time best snares I have ever tried. Absaloutely incredible. I actually did not like the worldmax that much, and thought the gretsch was just abysmal.
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I actually did not like the worldmax that much, and thought the gretsch was just abysmal.
If you tried the Worldmax at LDS, it was very poorly tuned. I agree that the Natal is the more characterful of the three, but the Worldmax is the more rounded instrument IMHO. Not that much to choose between them TBH. The Gretsch (& I've tried 4 examples) is clearly the 3rd place snare of the 3, but all offer good value for money. Compare all 3 to some really well executed stave snares however, & the difference is quite apparent, but so is the price.
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i tried 2 versions at bell percussion london. didnt like either. Got to spend time with it and instead went home with the dixon cherry snare.
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Russo Music was blowing out the Gretsch stave snares ( Zig zag/ Cherry/Oak and barn wood ) for $250
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Russo Music was blowing out the Gretsch stave snares ( Zig zag/ Cherry/Oak and barn wood ) for $250
That's a good price for a cosmetic novelty, but there's better sounding ply shell snares around for similar money.
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Thanks guys for this feedbacks.

I appreciate your precious help.

I just discovered in Berlin (Germany) a "drumguru" builder : Richter !
He's making some handmade stave snares with absolutely awesome woods !

I was impressed with the Elm Stave one 14x6 with rinforcement rings :
In the Janka Hardness scale, Elm is about 810, less than Mahogany for instance. So it has huge amount of low ends.

I think I should wait a bit maybe.... hummm

Check out a Live recording here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=6Kj2FW0xg4U


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That's a much better snare for sure, but very shell hardware heavy. With the greatest respect to Richter, cheap cast pot metal lugs on a nice shell is a bit of a shame.

The recording is nice enough, but heavily processed on the snare, so not a useful gauge really.

Slight hijack, here's an unprocessed "real world" zoom camera live recording of a Guru maple Tour series snare in action with a selection of players. Obviously, it's a down & dirty "pub" recording, & the snare / kit isn't mic'd, but the drum's character & sensitivity shines through in the out front sound. Watch through to around 5:35. There are other snippets of the same snare later in the video too.

http://youtu.be/puyfH0GrlZw?t=2m48s

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That's a much better snare for sure, but very shell hardware heavy. With the greatest respect to Richter, cheap cast pot metal lugs on a nice shell is a bit of a shame.

The recording is nice enough, but heavily processed on the snare, so not a useful gauge really.

Slight hijack, here's an unprocessed "real world" zoom camera live recording of a Guru maple Tour series snare in action with a selection of players. Obviously, it's a down & dirty "pub" recording, & the snare / kit isn't mic'd, but the drum's character & sensitivity shines through in the out front sound. Watch through to around 5:35. There are other snippets of the same snare later in the video too.

http://youtu.be/puyfH0GrlZw?t=2m48s

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Really nice vide, very instructive. Guru drums are awesome, it's a fact :)
Keep in mind, that this is an "old" snare. Richter is making some new and redesigned snares with low mass hardware, let's see :






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