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Old 12-28-2007, 11:03 PM
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Default Fiberskyn, quality?

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Two weeks ago I went to the store and bought a fiberskyn 14'' head for my snare. I had brush-gig coming up a couple of days later and needed a new head, for the brushes to work properly. I mounted the head and played for a few hours, with sticks. Very lightly, I am not a very hard hitter.

The head was perfect until today. I sat down to practice, and so I did for about an hour, when suddenly, my snare sounds like a garbage can. I look down and I see the head is almost split in two! It had a rip that went from the edge/rim and in to the middle, or so. You could easily see that the rip was ''between'' the layers.
This is the first head I have broken in my 5-6 years of playing!

I took it back to the store right away, and they said they had to send it in for inspection. They wanted to help me, as I know them a little. Why they couldn't just give me a new I do not know, but they didn't have any in stock. I got a Ambassador for cheap, and hope this will hold (at least untill I get the new fiberskyn)!

Is this a common thing with the fibeskyns? Has this ever happened to you? Tell me your story or knowledge.
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:38 AM
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Curious enough, I bought Fiberskyns for my Mapex kit a while ago. The 10,12,14 and 14 snare head lasted fine. The 16" one however, split very similar to this for no apparent reason one day. It was still new at the time. I'm questioning Remo lately, and probably will go with Evans for a while until they sort things out.
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:42 AM
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Curious enough, I bought Fiberskyns for my Mapex kit a while ago. The 10,12,14 and 14 snare head lasted fine. The 16" one however, split very similar to this for no apparent reason one day. It was still new at the time. I'm questioning Remo lately, and probably will go with Evans for a while until they sort things out.
man these heads seem like they are really thin. I have broken several snare heads. I can't even imagine breaking a floor tom head. I play so soft that it is hard to record me using mics and such.
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: Fiberskyn, quality?

I love my Fyberskins, and I've used them on my snare for well over a year, each one for about five months. Did you get Fyberskin Ambassadors or Diplomats? I've been using Ambassadors with no problems...

Sometimes when the head splits like that, it's because you've got one lug that's working loose. When you play on the drum with the mismatched tension, you've got a recipe for disaster.
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Old 12-29-2007, 06:20 AM
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Mine were Fiberskyn Ambassadors which are quite thick for single ply heads. That 16" one was just a dud I guess. Split right down the middle but not near the edges or anything. Just a clean tear, almost like a razor slice. Very bizarre, considering I'm a jazz drummer and was using 5As. However, I had used that 16" tom outside. With my 12" head, also used outside, I noticed there was some bubbling of those fibery stuffs that laminate these heads. I think humidity causes them to bubble as the others are fine. The snare is bubbly but if I keep it tight they go away. Curious heads, these Remo are. One of my Fiberskyn bass heads isn't perfectly round or flat either. Weird.
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Old 12-29-2007, 06:44 AM
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I use Fiberskyns ambassadors on my toms/snare, and they have never ripped, but they bubble up after a while..

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Old 12-29-2007, 07:04 AM
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I've heard that after so much good feedback about AQUARIAN customer service, REMO started to replace defective heads without question. So I suggest sending them an email and you'll be fixed on their customer service. The only Fiberskyn I own is used as bass drum reso.
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Old 12-30-2007, 06:23 PM
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I used the early generations of Fiberskyns with no problems for a number of years. Last time I bought one I experienced the head "shredding" when I played brushes. Like you, I took it back to the store and got a new one. Second one did the same thing. I sent a note to Remo asking about it. No response from anyone there. Haven't used them since. There are enough other good "brush friendly" heads out there.
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Old 12-30-2007, 06:56 PM
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I have a fiberskyn 2 medium on my 14x24 BD resonant. I just noticed yesterday its got some bubbling starting around the edge. Its been on the drum since 2001. It was a new old stock purchase then. I did use Fiberskyn 3 Ambs on my Ayotte Custom set for almost two years before I changed them all out. They played ok.

I really didnt like a Fiberskyn for brushes. I find a worn coated ambassador is better. But I had recommended to me recently by a really good jazz guy who plays brushes a lot, .... the Evans J1 Etched. No one around here stocks them. So the next time I get to one of the bigger stores I will buy a couple.
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Old 12-31-2007, 04:43 PM
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Ploughman, I think you'll like that Evans etched head. I've been using one on a snare that I use for my jazz gigs and love it for brushes.
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Old 12-31-2007, 05:20 PM
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Ploughman, I think you'll like that Evans etched head. I've been using one on a snare that I use for my jazz gigs and love it for brushes.
I want to add that the thing I don't like about the J1 Etched, even though it's a great sounding head, is it gets marked very easily. If you even just touch it with your finger, any slight oil on your finger will leave a mark.
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Old 12-31-2007, 05:43 PM
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IMO - they're not good snare heads because they're not as durable as most other heads I've played. They'll last longer on toms and they sound *great*...but they'll bubble out eventually.

When I used one on my snare...it sounded pretty good (though not as good as a coated ambassador) but it died pretty fast. I'm not a basher...but I play everyday...it lasted about 2 mo. before bubbling up.
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IMO - they're not good snare heads because they're not as durable as most other heads I've played. They'll last longer on toms and they sound *great*...but they'll bubble out eventually.

When I used one on my snare...it sounded pretty good (though not as good as a coated ambassador) but it died pretty fast. I'm not a basher...but I play everyday...it lasted about 2 mo. before bubbling up.
i was going to ask this question anyway, but after seeing your comment, i will direct it at you. Did i get a head that is completly perfect!...i have had my fyberskin ambassador now for about two or so months, i play everyday, and there is no scratch on it, it is perfect. Just like the day i got it, perfectly flat and everything. Explainations anybody?
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:59 PM
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I've got a new one myself and it's fine along with a Coated CS and a Black Suede
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:08 AM
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i was going to ask this question anyway, but after seeing your comment, i will direct it at you. Did i get a head that is completly perfect!...i have had my fyberskin ambassador now for about two or so months, i play everyday, and there is no scratch on it, it is perfect. Just like the day i got it, perfectly flat and everything. Explainations anybody?
The quality may have just improved by now? I'll admit, my technique wasn't great when I started a couple of years ago and I was punishing my snare heads. I still own the 12" and 16" that I bought back then and they're entirely usable, still! The 12" has some slight bubbling in the center but it still tunes right up.

The snare head I had destroyed looked like boiling pancake batter in the center. It lasted maybe 3 mo. when I used it. I bet I could make one last a lot longer, these days. ;)

The one thing I missed when using these heads (and I might have already said this?) is that they wipe out nearly all overtones on toms. It's a pretty flat, low-pitched sound. I like mine to sound a bit more wide-open. so I quit using the FS heads.
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The quality may have just improved by now? I'll admit, my technique wasn't great when I started a couple of years ago and I was punishing my snare heads. I still own the 12" and 16" that I bought back then and they're entirely usable, still! The 12" has some slight bubbling in the center but it still tunes right up.

The snare head I had destroyed looked like boiling pancake batter in the center. It lasted maybe 3 mo. when I used it. I bet I could make one last a lot longer, these days. ;)

The one thing I missed when using these heads (and I might have already said this?) is that they wipe out nearly all overtones on toms. It's a pretty flat, low-pitched sound. I like mine to sound a bit more wide-open. so I quit using the FS heads.
well, i don't know if the quality has gotten better, this has been my first fyberskin buy....i have been impressed!!!....do you know if they sound good on toms for jazz??
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:57 PM
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Fiberskyns are great sounding heads, but every one I've used has done the bubble thing, and so did the one on my sons snare.

I got my sons head last year and it did it in about a month--he's only 7, so he doesn't need a new one (or want one!--he even gets pissed if I re-tune the drum haha!).

On the other hand, I've not had the coating flaking off problem on my Remo heads like A LOT of people have had.

I think it all has to do with how you play on the Fiberskyn heads.

If you dig in, or mostly play reasonably hard, it's going to separate the layers.
Played lighter, it might last until it just stretches beyond any good sound can be had from re-tuning.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:24 AM
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As I posted to other threads, I would like to attach two photos of my bubbling heads. The heads look like cheap contact paper attached to the heads.
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I still think it's a moisture issue caused from the oil in your hands. The same thing happens to concert bass drum heads that are Fiberskyns and they are only played with a felt mallet (aside from special situations). Remo has the Skyntone heads now and I wonder if they plan to make more than just snare models in the future. I'm thinking of just using Renaissance heads anyway as they are warmer than clear heads, don't loose texture like coated heads, and have a stronger brush sound than Fiberskyns without being scratchy like coated heads. They also come in emperor and powerstroke versions as well. They offer Powerstrokes and Snare Sides too. Most places stock Renaissance heads but know little about them. I'd recommend giving these a try if you like Fiberskyns but not the lamination issues and don't want the hassle of coated heads or the plastic sound of clears. (I've tried the Black Suedes but the texture is not helpful for brushes and really doesn't affect the sound like Renaissance heads do)
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:08 AM
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I still think it's a moisture issue caused from the oil in your hands. The same thing happens to concert bass drum heads that are Fiberskyns and they are only played with a felt mallet (aside from special situations). Remo has the Skyntone heads now and I wonder if they plan to make more than just snare models in the future. I'm thinking of just using Renaissance heads anyway as they are warmer than clear heads, don't loose texture like coated heads, and have a stronger brush sound than Fiberskyns without being scratchy like coated heads. They also come in emperor and powerstroke versions as well. They offer Powerstrokes and Snare Sides too. Most places stock Renaissance heads but know little about them. I'd recommend giving these a try if you like Fiberskyns but not the lamination issues and don't want the hassle of coated heads or the plastic sound of clears. (I've tried the Black Suedes but the texture is not helpful for brushes and really doesn't affect the sound like Renaissance heads do)
Cymbalrider, This started not too long after I installed them and it was in the winter when it was very dry in my basement where I play the drums. As far as oils, I do not play the heads with my hands, and I do not use mallots. Only recently I started using brushes on the heads. I am sorry to say, that this is a quality issue with the adheasive that remo uses when applying this layer. I also want to point out that many other readers have had the same issues with these fiberskyns. And also other readers had issues when contacting Remo for some kind of acknowledgement about the fiberskyns. Overall though, the fiberskyns do sound very good. I am just concerned as to how long they will last, and what the overall condition will turn out to be.
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