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Old 11-20-2007, 03:00 AM
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I have a real problem with too much bounce (rattle) off the bass drum head after contact with the pedal beater. I've tried loosening and tightning the pedal and different striking heights without success.


The EMAD head is on a 22" Gretsch Renown drum. It sounds great when I hit it lightly and move my foot off the pedal immediately after hitting the drum, but when I leave my foot on the pedal and/or play with any force I get this rediculous bounce/rattle.

Should I try a new head?

The drums are new and I have a Gibraltar 9611sd single pedal - I have an Axis AL-2 double pedal on order. I just have a feeling it isn't the pedal - maybe it's the EMAD head. I've tuned the heads so the res head is slightly higher than the batter and both are not cranked up - they're more to the deeper side.

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Old 11-20-2007, 03:36 AM
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I have the same problem or affect when I "bury" the beater. And I have the same head on the same drums. You can loosen the head or learn not to "bury" the beater. If I tighten my batter head a little and don't bury the beater the thing booms so you can hear it at the end of the street. No kidding. Also I use a felt beater so its a little softer and less bouncy.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:36 AM
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I have the same problem or affect when I "bury" the beater. And I have the same head on the same drums. You can loosen the head or learn not to "bury" the beater. If I tighten my batter head a little and don't bury the beater the thing booms so you can hear it at the end of the street. No kidding. Also I use a felt beater so its a little softer and less bouncy.
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I have size 15 - heavy feet! I guess I will have to learn not to put the weight of my foot on the pedal - it's difficult to do that, but not impossible. I just won't be that great on the bass. I had a felt beater on the Gibraltar and I changed it for a real cool looking wooden beater last week - I'll change back to the felt beater that came with the pedal.

I'll also try tightening the batter head a little.

I've got an HQ bass drum mute on the bass for now - just because I wanted to quieten the drums down until I finish the "drum room." I kind of like the sound of the drum with the mute - for now anyway - until I get the 'bouncy" drum head thing worked out.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:52 AM
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Kona, try tuning your batter EMAD just beyond wrinkle point. Then take the reso, a few turns beyond that.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:26 AM
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Changing the beater out to a round felt beater will probably solve the problem. A ported reso. head would also help, if the problem persists past the beater swap. And you want to work on getting that beater off the head as quick as you can. That just comes with time.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:52 PM
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And you want to work on getting that beater off the head as quick as you can. That just comes with time.
I'd say it comes with practice time, not time alone... :)
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:10 PM
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Reso side hole ......

EVERY time I play a kit without one, ...I bounce .........

YOU CAN have a boomy bass drum with a reso side hole (port) ......the escaping air eliminates the "bouncies" ;)
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:55 PM
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Don't think it was mentioned but you might also check/adjust the height of the beater as well.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:39 PM
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Kona, try tuning your batter EMAD just beyond wrinkle point. Then take the reso, a few turns beyond that.
Will try that tonight - thanks
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:43 PM
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Changing the beater out to a round felt beater will probably solve the problem. A ported reso. head would also help, if the problem persists past the beater swap. And you want to work on getting that beater off the head as quick as you can. That just comes with time.
Will swap the wood for the original felt I had on and practice getting my giant foots' weight off the pedal - that's going to be tough. I also thought of cutting a 'port' int the res head - thanks. what's the best way of doing that?

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Old 11-20-2007, 04:44 PM
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Reso side hole ......

EVERY time I play a kit without one, ...I bounce .........

YOU CAN have a boomy bass drum with a reso side hole (port) ......the escaping air eliminates the "bouncies" ;)
Thanks - will look into cutting the reso hole.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:45 PM
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Don't think it was mentioned but you might also check/adjust the height of the beater as well.
I've tried that - thanks.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:23 PM
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I also thought of cutting a 'port' int the res head - thanks. what's the best way of doing that?
I've been using the HOLZ port ring system for about 15 years. Simple to install, looks clean and never had a problem 'em. http://vintagelogos.com/holz.html
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:39 AM
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Changing the beater out to a round felt beater will probably solve the problem. A ported reso. head would also help, if the problem persists past the beater swap. And you want to work on getting that beater off the head as quick as you can. That just comes with time.

I was going to ask if this was an unported resonant head problem myself.


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Old 11-21-2007, 05:57 AM
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I've been using the HOLZ port ring system for about 15 years. Simple to install, looks clean and never had a problem 'em. http://vintagelogos.com/holz.html
I just looked at our web link for HOLZ ports.
If I decide to go that route what would be the best size 4,5 or 6"?

I'm thinking I'd go with the black to match my black reso head, but the coloured ones look good too.

What have you used, why and do you have any advice on colour/size and why?
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:56 AM
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I just looked at our web link for HOLZ ports.
If I decide to go that route what would be the best size 4,5 or 6"?

I'm thinking I'd go with the black to match my black reso head, but the coloured ones look good too.

What have you used, why and do you have any advice on colour/size and why?
The larger the hole the less the front head is going to vibrate. I put 4" holes in the head which I think are pretty standard. This lest you minimize the bounce, but it doesn't take away too much vibration and tone from the front head.
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Old 11-21-2007, 08:24 AM
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I've always used the 4" black. It's big enough to get a kick mic into http://www.carvinworld.com/products/...er=D44&CID=MIC or a sound engineers arm (if he wants to place a towel or whatever) but not so big that it starts to negate the fact that you have a reso. head. Color is just an asthetic choice, I like black, but come to think about it, when I first started using HOLZ, I think it was the only color they came in.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:53 PM
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First thing I thought of was a reso hole. The HOLZ cutter is so easy to use and I'd also go with the 4", white on a white reso looks great as well by the way.

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I have a few small vent holes in my resonant head, but I wouldn't want to cut a hole large enough to reduce resonance.

If you're having trouble with bounce, try a new bass drum beater. I use a couple of those extra-large superballs, drilled through and glued to a couple of 1/4-inch steel shafts. The sound is fatter, although not quite as loud as felt or plastic (that's a good thing, really, as I don't often hear someone asking the drummer to play louder - usually just the opposite).

You would think the superballs would be extra-bouncy but they're not. For some reason, they actually seem to cause less rumble from the head. I think there are some places online that sell superball beaters but you can make your own for $5, a half-hour of time and some simple tools.
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:49 AM
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Kona, try tuning your batter EMAD just beyond wrinkle point. Then take the reso, a few turns beyond that.
I will try that before I cut a whole in my reso head - thanks.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:34 AM
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Hope it works out for you .The set up looks wonderful!

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Old 11-27-2007, 03:32 AM
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Hope it works out for you .The set up looks wonderful!
Thanks

Still haven't got to the 'tuning thing' yet - maybe tonight.

Yes - the kit's coming together slowly. Have decided, for now anyway, to go with the large rack tom above the snare - just a different effect. I'm going with a half-circle Gibraltar rack (ordered) instead of the hybrid setup I was going to go with in the begining. But, I still have my two 9813DP tom stands (pictured) so I will be able to incorporate them into the rack somehow (anchors?).

This kit is not moving anywhere - it's just for my personal playing pleasure so I can drift off into my sunset years with a bang.
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