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Old 11-05-2007, 02:02 PM
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Default Why are most cymbals made in Turkey/Istanbul?

Why are most cymbals made in Turkey / Istanbul?
or are they?

what is it that turkey / istanbul have?

not criticizing turkey, just interested....
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Why are most cymbals made in Turkey/Istanbul?

The shape and sound of a modern "western" (as opposed to flanged "eastern" cymbals) cymbal comes from Turkish cymbal smithing tradition, which is still very lively. If by "most" you mean many brands, it's because the profession is deeply rooted into the country, and trained cymbal smiths aren't uncommon. In sheer volume, I believe, North America takes the first place with Sabian, Zildjian etc.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:24 PM
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Here is the Wikipedia history of the word Zildjian. Helps tounderstand your question.

The first Zildjian cymbals were created in 1618 in Istanbul by an Armenian man named Avedis, who, while looking for a way to turn base metal into gold, created an alloy combining tin, copper, and silver into a sheet of metal that could make musical sounds without shattering. Avedis took the surname of Zildjian, from Turkish "zil+ci" (cymbal-maker/seller) and the Armenian suffix "yan" (son of), and began an industry in 1623, the details of whose main product remained secret for generations. It became family tradition that only the oldest son of the company's head would know the manufacturing process.

The Zildjian Company moved from manufacturing noisemakers to frighten the enemies of the Ottoman Empire to manufacturing its cymbals as musical instruments in the 19th century. In 1908, Avedis Zildjian III migrated to Boston, while Kerope Ziljian continued to make cymbals in Turkey under the K Zildjian Constantinople name. In 1923, the Turkish Republic was established and the name of Constantinople was officially changed to Istanbul, resulting in the change of the company’s name from K. Zildjian Constantinople to K. Zildjian Istanbul. In around 1926, Aram Zildjian signed an exclusive American distribution agreement for K. Zildjian cymbals with Gretsch.

Around 1928, Avedis III and Aram Zildjian began manufacturing cymbals in Quincy, Massachusetts, and the Avedis Zildjian Co. was formed in 1929, the same year that the Great Depression began, in competition with the K. Zildjian company in Turkey. Avedis made many innovations in cymbals that are still around today; he was the first to develop drum-set cymbals, and gave cymbals names such as ride, crash, splash, and hi-hat. Jazz drummers such as Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Louie Bellson, Shelly Manne, Cozy Cole, and Papa Jo Jones all used Avedis Zildjian cymbals. The cymbals were made with both automated processes and hand hammering, but Zildjian ended the latter tradition in 1964 after a rise in demand resulting from the popularity of The Beatles' drummer Ringo Starr on The Ed Sullivan Show.

In 1968, the K. Zildjian Co. and all European trademarks were bought back by Robert Zildjian on behalf of the Avedis Zildjian Co.

Zildjian was having labour requirement issues with oven room operators and machine operators, so Avedis split the production into two separate operations, one for rolling and casting only, and one for finishing work. They then opened up the Azco factory in Meductic, New Brunswick, Canada in 1968.

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Old 11-05-2007, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: Why are most cymbals made in Turkey/Istanbul?

wow! this is great information...cheers
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:28 PM
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Turkish based companies like Istanbul Agop which was originally simply called Istanbul then split into 2 after after Agops accidental death in 96 became two companies as seen today Istanbul Agop and Istanbul Mehmet based on traditions learned at the old K Zildjian factory in Istanbul,Turkey. Both Agop and Mehmet came from the old K. Zildjian factory in Istanbul,Turkey with Agop being the foreman at the time of it's closing then followed by both starting up the then Zilciler Istanbul cymbal company after the Istanbul K factory was shut down.

So in a nutshell both companies are making cymbals based on Turkish cymbal craftmanship traditions handed down from generation to generation of making cymbals using old world production techniques which are still in practice today carrying on the traditional style of handmade Turkish cymbal making.



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http://books.google.com/books?id=AaS...tYvM#PPA154,M1


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Agop_Cymbals
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Another interesting read on the history of handmade Turkish cymbals right up to present times:


http://www.turkishculture.org/pages....9&ChildID1=285
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