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Old 04-04-2006, 06:24 PM
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they take themselves way too seriously,
Look a bit closer and you'll realize how far from the truth you are on this point. These guys are some of the most laid-back, funniest musicians you'll ever find.

Exhibit A: Geddy's use of functioning clothes driers on stage instead of backline amps.
Exhibit B: The bizarre collection of toys on Alex's stage guitar rig.
Exhibit C: The mini documentary on Rush In Rio that shows them off stage.

Sure they look serious much of the time on stage. That would be because they're concentrating on nailing an excellent performance for you.
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Old 04-05-2006, 01:47 AM
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actually, lately hes been improvising a little more live, there are now whole sections of his solos where he take an idea and improvises over it.

Absolutley correct....
Not sure what some of the people who posted this thread are looking at....Anyone whos watched him over the years has seen how he's progressed....not nearly as mechanical as he used to be and his solos are much looser...
I think Gruber made him more loose and free....
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Old 04-08-2006, 11:05 PM
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I'm a late fan of Neil Peart. I've heard him over the years since I was in the teens. I always liked Rush and his drumming but I always found other drummers to be my idols.

But Neil has been growing on me since his first DVD. I was amazed how his style of drumming evolved over the years and how intelligent he was and how well he spoke. Up to this point I never know he wrote most of Rush's songs.

I picked up Signals soon after and relived those great songs from my high-school years. I now admire him as a person and a drummer more than I ever had especially since watching his latest Anatomy DVD. He is a humble, respectful gentleman who is respectful of other drummers and he gives credit to many of them.

I bought Counterparts and wow did I miss this album altogether! What a masterpiece. What a disservice radio has done to music connoisseurs. What lyrics! (hence my signature).

He inspired me to improve on my drumming and persona. He is also the reason I'm poorer now trying to make my new setup like his too.
Hey! great tread Foghorn, there is some great material out there from rush........go get yourself hemispheres or moving pictures. These are well orchastrated songs, musically, lyrically...just great stuff. there are many others to, such as power windows, permanent waves
and Roll the bones...check it out and ENJOY!!!!
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Old 04-11-2006, 12:49 AM
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Umm... this guy is sweet. No question. Guys like Peart, Bonzo, and Keith Moon are definitely some of the best around.
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:52 AM
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what is there to say about niel peart. the man is a living legend. I've been into Niel Peart ever since i first heard Tom Sawyer. The man is absoluetly amazing and i cannot say anything bad about him, except he looks dead when he drums but besides the point there, does anyone care how a man looks while he plays. Truly one of the greatest drummers of all time.
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:08 PM
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When it comes to RUSH, im not a fan of all of their music, but the drumming is superb. My least favorite thing about rush is definitely the voice and lyrics! Geddy lee is a talented bassist, but his voice makes me cringe, like in "Fly by Night". Also the lyrics... i heard that peart writes the lyrics for most songs, dont know if that's totally true or not, but the lyrcis just don't make any sense to me. Look at "spirit of the radio" for example when geddy sings "echo of the sound of salesmen"..............what the hell does that mean? The lyrics are funny and all because sometimes they can be incredibly odd and sometimes stupid, but still, i do think rush is a great band. Quite possibly the greatest Canadian Band in terms of record sales.
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:23 AM
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Much in the same way that Roger Ebert doesn't need to be a director to tear a strip off of Battlefield Earth, or I cook to dislike asparagus regardless of how it's dressed up, anyone who is critical of Neil or Geddy doesn't need to be superior to either of them as a drummer or lyricist to justify himself. And if someone who is a better drummer than Neil says that he's terrible, it isn't necesserily true.
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Old 04-12-2006, 08:14 AM
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I respect Peart a great ammount, but I find the big band ending of his solo hilarious. The guy can't really swing....which is fine because he's a rock drummer, but still I can't help but laugh at it
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Old 04-12-2006, 08:33 AM
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and mostly, his choice of fills and where he puts them. It all seems so perfect, like he knows exactly what's going on. It's so cool.
I know what you mean. I belive the greatest fill of all time was played on the 2 min. 55 second mark of subdivisons. A 1 bar fill. so simple to play but so incredibly perfect.
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Old 04-14-2006, 06:07 PM
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He says it himself that even after 40 years of playing, he is still learning. Especially 4 limp independence.

What I admire about NP is his approach to drumming. He is perfect for Rush. As Ringo with the Beatles.

I refuse to bash any professional drummer out there. They are all great in their craft and can only aspire to be close to what they can do.
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Old 04-15-2006, 05:48 AM
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I also think it's great that he's putting so many different styles into that solo. Don't hear many waltzes or big bands in a rock concert.

I just thought that the big band ending was funny (coming from a jazz players perspective). The crowd loved it so it did it's job......

As Peart get's older his technique get's a little slopier but in my opinion his creativity and playing get so much better.
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Old 04-16-2006, 07:07 PM
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I hate to see people arguing and getting petty over Neil Peart! I never could figure out why people get so polarized over different drummers - I think of it more like flavors of ice cream. You just like what you like!

Anyway, I like Peart (and Rush) a lot. I heard my first Rush song in about 1976, and have seen most tours since 1978. I have seen the band and Neil grow and mature through the years without lowering their standards or worrying about meeting anybody else's expectations. I also understand what other people don't like, but that's cool with me as long as they aren't disrespectful of my tastes.

I find it kind of amusing that we discuss best drummers - to me, there can be no best drummer. Each one is like a storyteller; unless you want to hear the same story over and over from the same storyteller, variety is good.
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Old 04-16-2006, 07:56 PM
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Like him or not, Neil Peart if a household word all over the world. I'm not speaking to his skill or abilities, just the fact that he is a little bigger than most kids think.
A household word? I don't think so. The only reason I'd ever heard of Neil Peart and Rush was because I read Modern Drummer. I got to the age of 24 without ever hearing a Rush tune. No friend of mine in the whole of England has even heard of Rush - I'm being serious. They have a huge following, sure, but their popularity is a long way from the level you assume it to be.

Zardoz - Peart is the second most influential drummer behind Buddy Rich, is he? What's happened to Ringo?!

Don't get me wrong, I do now own the Chronicles and I enjoy it (with Finn on the lyrics though), but some of the things said about this guy are really stretching credibility.
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Old 04-16-2006, 08:04 PM
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Niel Peart is one very intelligent man. I heard him do an interview somewhere and the man's a genius. Like fixme jesus said, he writes books that are witty, clever and intelligent. It'd be great to have a discussion with him.
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calm down people.

don't bash neil.
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Old 04-17-2006, 11:21 PM
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As Peart get's older his technique get's a little slopier but in my opinion his creativity and playing get so much better.
Huh....somebody is confused....

As he got older he studied with Gruber and changed his technique and approach to playin and yet he was still able to pull off his old match grip material without a mistake....
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Huh....somebody is confused....

As he got older he studied with Gruber and changed his technique and approach to playin and yet he was still able to pull off his old match grip material without a mistake....
If you compare his playing from his most recent video to an older one, you'll notice that his technique is slopier. He uses a lot of unecessary arm movements etc. Not insulting his playing at all, but had I seen a recent video of him before the older ones I wouldn't have been impressed simply for technical reasons.
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Old 04-18-2006, 05:26 PM
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Its not really sloppiness. He sounds less like a drum machine now that he varies his hits.

If you were to call it sloppy, then Stewart Copleland would be the sloppiest player in the world.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:21 PM
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The slopiness comment has nothing to do with him varying what he plays. I am refering to technique alone. The way Neils body moves has always seemed a little stiff to me. In "Anatomy" his arms are moving a lot more than they did in the past.

I'm not saying slopiness is bad. I used to think that way...that's why I couldn't stand elvin jones for a long time. Although I still can't stand watching Ari Hoenig. He makes drumming look painful. Listening is great though.

I'm not a technical freak. It's just an observation that he uses a lot of arms now.
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Old 04-18-2006, 11:53 PM
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You can expect quite a wide range of opinions when you enter one of these threads in the "drummers" section... However, I must say I'm very surprised to see the adjective "sloppy" to qualify Neil Peart's playin'.

I've seen him live around 10 times, spanning from the Hemisphere tour to the last R30 tour, and I certainly didn't noticed any "sloppiness" appearing in his playin'.
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Old 04-19-2006, 12:08 AM
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Sloppy and Neil Peart just seem not to fit with eachother. After seeing Anatomy of a drum solo he's far from sloppy hes just very technical!
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That's what I was refering to as being sloppy technique wise. I think there are several definitions of sloppy here. I'm not in anyway saying his playing is sloppy. But I feel his technique is sloppy.

I'm refering specifically to the big band ending from anatomy of a drum solo.

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing the guy. His technique is not bad. I don't want to make it sound like I'm saying it's terrible, because it's not. Far from it at that. It is just not as clean as it once was in my opinion (not his sound...don't think technique = sound). We can all agree he is a technical drummer and one of the best.
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Old 04-20-2006, 12:05 PM
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I am not a Rush fan and therefore never realy heard and got into his drumming, but I always heard that he was a great drummer and surely influenced or motivated many of us outthere, so I am pretty surpirsed to read so many critics on his playing.

I should chek out for myself, any recommendations of a live album ? (I love to listen to live albums that's where you can get a hold on perfromance)
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Old 04-20-2006, 12:06 PM
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Rush In Rio is supposedly an excellent DVD and good concert footage. I haven't personally seen it, but I've heard nothing but good things on this forum.
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I should chek out for myself, any recommendations of a live album ? (I love to listen to live albums that's where you can get a hold on perfromance)
Rush in rio is a cool DVD but maybe its just me but it seems like he lacked the energy in his playin...just seemed like you could tell hes been thru alot of personal trageties...

I think for a live Cd I would recommend Different Stages... To me he was really on top of his game at that stage of his career and its one of his best solos....
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Old 04-23-2006, 03:53 AM
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Anyone noticed all the washers and dryers in all of Rush's concerts?
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Old 04-23-2006, 05:46 AM
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Best Bass Amps ever!

Peart is amazing. I saw RUSH on the Roll The Bones tour in 92. Love their stuff in general and Neils playing in particular.

I have kinda gone luke-warm on their recent stuff (last album I got was Different Stages) but the DVDs are fantastic.

I've also got Work In Progress and agree that Neil's a down to earth and likeable guy, shame that he's had the world of crap happen to him in his life and glad he's come through it.

I need to get Anatomy Of A Drum Solo.
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Anyone noticed all the washers and dryers in all of Rush's concerts?
Yes. Dont tell me u think that doesnt look cool. thats so original. im gonna use that one day heh heh.
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Rush In Rio is supposedly an excellent DVD and good concert footage. I haven't personally seen it, but I've heard nothing but good things on this forum.
50,000 Brazilian fans singing every word (including YYZ) at the top of their lungs. This crowd gets really into it. While the video & sound quality aren't top-notch like their R30 dvd (they explain why it's not in the Rio documentary), I enojoyed this one much more because the crowd was obsessively into it.
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south america must be a great place for touring...people are so passionate there. queen said that it was one of their favourite all time gigs... when freddy and brian did 'love of my life' the audience sang so loud that freddy stopped singing and let them do the song for him while he wept. when 50 000 non english speaking people do that to your lyrics...well, its got to be a high point in your career.

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Neil Peart is one killing drummer. He definitely goes down in history as one of the greatest drummers. Neil Peart is the reason I started playing drums. I think Neil Peart does his solos in a way that makes it look easy for him.
Now let me talk about Rush. Even though I think Rush makes good music, there is something about them(not just Neil) that makes them musically inspiring. While many bands may just go on with the same style and music for decades, Rush has shown many changes. I know there are some that don't exactly like the 80's sound of Rush, but you have to admit that on every record; Geddy, Alex, and of course Neil show their instint mastery of their instruments. I find it unique that Rush has changed it's sound from time to time. They started with a Zeppelin Clone (their self titled debut with Rutsey) to an amazing hard proggresive rock band in the 70's. Just as this was a unique transition, the 80's held a new surprise. For one, I actually really like the 80's sound of Rush. Yes, you could say it does not have the hard sound of the 70's, yet you have to admit that they still had their own unique sound. And come on, at least they were not becoming sell-outs or pop stars. I even like the modern alternative sound to Rush. No matter what the sound, I always find Rush to be one of the best and most underrated bands in the world (though we as musicians recognize the talent of Rush, Rolling Stone magazine proves to still be an arragont group of music snobs; but that's just my opinion). Neil Peart is God!
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PS. I have seen Neil play 3 times in my life (I am only 16)
-T4E Tour: Uniondale, NY (I was only 7, so I don't remember so much from that show except that I had bad seats)
-Vapor Trails: New York, NY: Live at the Garden (that was an amazing show; 3rd row seats from the front; sweet)
-R30: Virginia Beach, VA: I had good seats for this show. The only flop that happened was that Neil's Big Band sequencer hit a glitch and did not go. However, he still just played the part and did an amazing job. No matter how talented you are, there are always going to be flops now and then. It happens to every musician. Great show.
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Im a huge Rush fan, and avid drummer, with many albums and songs under my belt. As with any musician, our orchestrations, style, and musicianship mature over time. Seeing that Rush has been around for 30 some years, one can see the maturation process which has taken place over the 3 decades. My question to all of you is : what albums do you feel really feature Neil Peart at his peak of complexity and tastefullness? Or even what songs from certain albums feature these traits. I like all the 70's, 80's, 90's and latest drumming, but certain songs really stand out. Songs like Cignus X1 from Hemispheres, Jacobs Ladder from Permenant Waves, Marathon and Middletown Dreams from Power Windows, Peaceable Kingdom and Ceiling Unlimited from Vapor Trails, Chemistry and The Weapon from Signals. My list could go on forever and include every song! But what parts in songs, and what songs do all of you really respect and why?
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I can't believe that Neil's technique is sloppy nowadays, around the nineties he underwent lessons with Freddie Gruber (who's taught Dave Wekl and Steve Smith) that refined his technique and approach to drums. The two albums and live albums after that period doesn't show his lack of energy or playing and from the Anatomy Of A Drum Solo only proves that he is as amazing as ever! Rush is definately a band to check out!!
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Im a huge Rush fan, with many songs under my belt. I am seeking out other Rush fans to see which songs they feel are the greatest, in terms of orchestration, and chops. Which songs do you feel, and or albums, showed Peart at his peak. For example, The Weapon and Chemistry from the album Signals. Cygnus X1 and Circumstances from Hemispheres. Marathon and Middletown Dreams from Power Windows and so on and so forth. Which parts in each song do you think feature greatness. Just curious as to what other Peart fans think about certain songs.
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I am seeking out other Rush fans to see which songs they feel are the greatest, in terms of orchestration, and chops. Which songs do you feel, and or albums, showed Peart at his peak.
To be honest, I don't consider myself a Rush fan at all anymore. I was into them when I first started drumming in the mid-80's and I got a lot of inspiration from their 70's and early 80's output, but they don't do it for me personally now. Anything post-Signals is tough for me to deal with. However, I do have respect for them as players, as all-around good guys and as survivors. I also owe a big debt to them for my early development musically, I'm just not into the Rush thing anymore. BUT ...

...at the time I would've said Hemispheres. The band arrangements as a whole and Neil's drumming in particular are interesting. I think Moving Pictures rocks more overall, but in that different "every-song-on this-album-could-possibly-be-a-single" kind of way.

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Drummers like Dennis Chambers, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Adam Nussbaum, Chad Wackerman and Jack DeJohnette completely and totally blow Neil Peart away. It doesn't matter if they're not rock drummers and he is. Neil Peart has to be one of the most overrated drummers of all time. I'd bet at least one in five drummers that graduates from the Berklee of music every year can do everything that Neil Peart can do including the odd time. The only difference is he's in huge band that's been huge for a long time and they're not.
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The legend he has probably been the second most influential rock drummer of all time behind John Bonham. I love everything about his playing his consistancy is second to none every note is played as intended the stick is the same height from the head the attacking angle the same. A machine he flows seamlessly through odd time and complicated multi time patterns. I noticed very early on long before I thought of becoming a drummer that there was something special about his playing he really took the progressive styling to a whole new level. I hear a Billy Cobham influence in his playing but where Billy had a little bit of slop (not a slam it was because he was pushing the boundrys and believed in preserving the integrity of the live performance) Neil strived to nail every part exactly the same every time. I have so much to thank this man for he has filled me with joy listening to his playing. He made me want to become a drummer I have only been playing 5 yrs but have been airdrumming since I can remember because of him. Also he has been an inspiration to me in life to continue drumming with the passion he has after the horrible tragedies in his life ( he lost his wife and daughter in the same year) drives me to overcome any obstacles in my life. Alot of people would say he is busy and doesnt play in the pocket but if you listen closley you will notice that he has a great ability to use space and not crowd the beat at all the appropriate moments. Imo the whole drumming world is a better place because of him.

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Neil Pert's inspiration was Buddy Rich.
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:39 PM
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Blah blah blah. Dude, that may well be true in some subjective way, but back in the 1970s when I first heard Neil, nobody was doing what he was doing. It's one thing to come along afterwards and cop somebody's licks, but to create the style in the first place, that's something much more important and valuable. I could play all Neil's parts too if I chose to, but that wouldn't make me the groundbreaker that he is.
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Old 06-08-2006, 04:19 PM
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Drummers like Dennis Chambers, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Adam Nussbaum, Chad Wackerman and Jack DeJohnette completely and totally blow Neil Peart away. It doesn't matter if they're not rock drummers and he is. Neil Peart has to be one of the most overrated drummers of all time. I'd bet at least one in five drummers that graduates from the Berklee of music every year can do everything that Neil Peart can do including the odd time. The only difference is he's in huge band that's been huge for a long time and they're not.

n00b post of the day award goes to you !

Bravo !
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