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Old 08-29-2009, 07:40 PM
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Michael, I know you are an uber-fan of NP and Rush which is fine. I don't want to mess with that - it's your personal taste.

But just one bit food for thought: If you went to a Rush concert and NP actually did play things differently from the records, including grooves and fills. Do you as the NP fan that you are honestly think that would have been a worse concert for that reason, even if NP would have played the new stuff in his very own vibe (perfect execution, trademark grooves/fills but maybe played a little different or at different spots)? Or would you maybe walk out of that concert thinking it was the greatest event ever because it surprised you and moved you in a different way than you had expected it?

I have the slight impression that you've become such an extreme fan of NP and (probably due to many discussions on the internet) maybe a bit overly defensive, so when it comes to any kind of discussion about him, you automatically stand behind what Neil does. I guess that if Neil was famous for delivering perfect studio tracks but changing these live with his sense of moments, you'd now be defending that against people who would say: "I'd prefer him to play everything exactly like it is recorded".

This is really not meant to pick on you, just as I said: Food for thought.

One more point: I honestly don't think you can compare painting to musicmaking. You could probably compare action-painting (where the act of painting itself becomes the piece of art) to the act of making music and compare a finished, static painting to a recording. But comparing a static painting to an act of making music doesn't really work in my book.

Lastly, to throw in my own two cents: I am not a fan of a 1:1 reproduction of music on stage - I could instead just listen to a record instead. I prefer "revisiting" songs live... you know: Play all the things that are important to the song (which will really force you to think about what actually is important to a particular song and of course I know that in the case of Rush, many people will say "every note on the record played by Neil is important to the song") but leave maybe a little room to surprise the audience or even to surprise yourself on stage. I'd say that most of my favourite moments in concerts (both on stage and in the audience) were these moments, were things happen that no one would have expected to happen.


Anyway, interesting points in this thread.
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I think all this discussion of changing up composition in concerts is pretty senseless myself. A lot of guitarists are guilty of this as well. Is David Gilmour a lesser guitarist than Jimmy Page for playing Comfortably Numb note for note with the album? Page would never do that. As for drummers, Neil is one of the best and thats all that needs to be said. There's a lot of drummers with the "artistic expression" to vary every night that still absolutely suck in comparison to Mr Peart, so what difference does it really make?
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Definitly One of the legend in Progressive Drumming....
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An article I came across.

Neil discussing Rush may release new songs, but not an album, and Neil recording a new version of "The Hockey Theme"

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2010/01/13...rtainmentmusic
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suddenly albums don't mean anything," Peart told The Canadian Press in a telephone interview from his home in California.

"We're thinking of writing and recording a few songs and maybe releasing them, and playing them live, and then going back and doing some more later.


Peart was similarly forward-thinking when it came time to record a new version of "The Hockey Theme," the iconic song that has opened broadcasts of "Hockey Night in Canada" for 40 years.

Peart's version will debut on TSN during Thursday's broadcast of the Toronto-Philadelphia game and will then be used for the rest of the season by the network.

After being "blown away" by the invitation to recreate the classic tune, Peart decided on his approach: a "drum solo with horns."
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:27 PM
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Mr. Peart is a true '' Genius''. I do like his style and respect his achievements as a musician, but I find his playing way too technical for my taste.
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I've seen Rush 5 times and I've always spotted areas where he's thought of something he liked better than when he recorded it, and then changed it.

Somewhere on the net, I found a piece of audio of Rush playing Limelight before NP finished writing his drum part and definitely before it was recorded for Moving Pictures. It was radically different. I like what he settled on better, but it does make the point that any part can be revisited at anytime and improvements made - even for Neil Peart.
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Looks like Neil has another new kit with a hockey theme. Too cool.

And here's an article about his version of the HNIC theme being on itunes with a portion of proceeds going to NHL Hockey fights cancer.

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Somewhere on the net, I found a piece of audio of Rush playing Limelight before NP finished writing his drum part and definitely before it was recorded for Moving Pictures. It was radically different. I like what he settled on better, but it does make the point that any part can be revisited at anytime and improvements made - even for Neil Peart.
What I really like about NP is that he reminds me of an athlete who is never satisfied until he pushes himself to his physical best everytime. He sculpts his segments very methodically, and pushes himself to do one better than the last time he played it. I think he serves as a real role model for all younger drummers as to what hard work and alot of practice yields.
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Somewhere on the net, I found a piece of audio of Rush playing Limelight before NP finished writing his drum part and definitely before it was recorded for Moving Pictures. It was radically different. I like what he settled on better, but it does make the point that any part can be revisited at anytime and improvements made - even for Neil Peart.
I found that clip. Sometimes I get so used to hearing him playing a song a certain way that I lose sight of all the ideas he must've tried and discarded during the writing process.
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He's pretty good, but never thought that much of him.
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the this could be you singing:
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Thanks Nutha, I had an Uncle who passed away recently who had a farm. (My Uncle has a country place...) He was someone I could always talk to when times were rough. This made me think of him and now I also what to relearn that song as my own private tribute.

Thanks Neil and thanks drummerworld.
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Peart used a custom-designed drumset while recording the song. The set is adorned with the logos of all 30 NHL teams - each one sprayed and masked by hand, one colour at a time, he said - and a blue chrome finish that Peart wanted to look like icicles.

The set will now be kept in the Hockey Hall of Fame. That fact delights Peart, in part, because he says he was never very talented as a hockey player growing up.

"What a joke, eh!" he said with a laugh. "I made the joke to my mom, I said: 'Take THAT, bullies from 50 years ago!'

"The other joke is that we (Rush) have not been put in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but now we're in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

"I think, as Canadians, we're satisfied."
haha. that's awesome.
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He's pretty good, but never thought that much of him.
Huh? Pretty Good? Please elaborate as to what is better.
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Old 04-06-2010, 11:24 PM
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Wow!! I literally discovered Neil Pearts playing today! I've never heard a Rush song before but decided to listen through Moving Pictures, and I must say, I'm amazed! Not sooo much by the singing, a little by the songs, but very much with Neil's playing! Love it! I think I will get more into the songs and the singing though.
Have to check out some more Peart stuff now :).
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hey there,

just been watching some Peart Videos online, and after i thought about speaking my mind on him for a few years now actually, i decided to finally do so.

On a personal level, i really like the guy (from what i can tell through interviews etc.). Also i think he has a very good attitude towards his instrument and " to always be learning." I think you have to admire a person who carries himself that way (sorry for my english....)

But also - and unfortunately for him, because i bet he didnt start the myth and wouldnt want himself to be considered the best or anything like that - he is one of the most overrated drummers of all time, at least in my opinion. I want to explain this by adressing some of the most popular arguments about his playing:
1. His technical skills are amazing.
He has good technique - at the things hes playing (wich i'll get to later). But any Drummer who practices regulary and the right way can achieve Pearts level of technique in a relatively short amount of time (I'd say about 5 years, if not less, but thats debatable). Since he doesn't do any advanced independence or polyrythmic stuff it just boils down to pure hand and feet speed. I think his singles are pretty good, his doubles are not that fast though. His feet are ok. Keep in mind this is all IMHO. And dont give me the "Playing over 3 is hard "(regarding one of his foot ostinatos hes playing all the time, RLL) - it's just not.

2. He's totally creative and comes up with Stuff no one can come up with
Well i actually think hes creative. At least he was once in his life when i came up with that solo hes been playing for a gazillion years now. And maybe at the Time this stuff was innovative. But now it isnt anymore. I'd like to make one point clear though: i'm speaking to drummers here (i hope). So i think you guys should understand that writing or performing a drumsolo which makes an audience go crazy - a good thing and something i admire about peart - does not necessarily mean its the most creative or expressive solo. Like in Language theres things certain people just dont understand because of a lack in vocabulary. A perfect example would be the a tony royster jr. solo video that appears on the side of a peart video on youtube and leads a lot of peart guys to it - in that video tony plays a great solo but incorporates a lot of advanced stuff like overrideng and/or playing polyrithmic patterns. In the Comments of that clip you see a lot of Peart Comparisons, where fanboys write that to them it sounds like random banging on the drums without concept, which is ridiculous. Drummers at the level of Royster (just an example, I'm not even mentioning greats like vinnie or dennis chambers) could write and perform a solo like pearts while sleeping. They just dont do it because their vocabulary is much bigger and they like to express their emotions on a much more complex level. To a person who can understand these concepts and the patterns/phrases they play, their solos are much more touching, creative and awe inspiring than anything Mr. Peart could do. I'm not saying that i want constant Polyrithmic wanking or 10 minutes of blistering fast double bass playing. But these things can make a solo much better played at the right spot. And sorry to say this, Mr.Peart just simply cant play them, so he doesnt even have the option, wich in itself IMO should clear out any doubts about if he's the best. hes just playing the same patterns and phrases over and over again, nothing creative to me there nowadays. And im not even starting about his humongous kit. I'd like to see Mr.Peart play a solo on a 3 Piece kit and see what "great phrases" he comes up with. Even at the buddy rich memorial he had to bring those cowbells, so he could play his lame signature doubles/melody phrase thing. How creative is that? Please.

I'd like to close my statement with the Fact that i would never in my Life write such a post, if there wasn't this gigantic hype around the man. I respect him and his playing and i wish him all the best and success. But i think its a slap in the face to all those guys that have invested much more time and energy in developing their craft and have deliverd so much more interesting efforts on the instrument, to say that he is the best Drummer ever or anything even remotely close (btw out of all the "overrated drummers - Portnoy, Jordison, Barker, etc- i still like him the most :-))

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There are inovaters and imitators. If it was not for neil peart there would not be a mike portney or Danny carry prog type drummers. So in five years you will be better than Neil Peart. Yes there are plenty of Drummers out there better than Neil or maybe not.
You are Judging art. As one drummer said is pocasso better than monet. or is a big mac better than a royal with cheese. yes I am and always will be a Peart fan. Big influence as a kid. As far as his drum solo goes, Thats is trade mark, Do you actualy think A hard core Rush fan would want to hear a different solo. Thats one of the reasons Rush fans love Neil Peart. They want to hear that solo. its like them wanting to hear spirit of radio.
Yes us drummers love to see amazing technical stuff. But music fans like music and concerts, they could give a rats ass about someones amazing technque. They want to see a good show. Neil peart is not underated he was and still is one of the greatest inovators of rock Like, John Bonham, Keith moon. Than drummers who play fast singles
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hey there,

just been watching some Peart Videos online, and after i thought about speaking my mind on him for a few years now actually, i decided to finally do so..................
Overrated??? It's cool to have an opinion mate and yours is no less valued than anyone elses, but throwing terms round like "overrated" is just sheer foolishness.

I saw someone say the same thing about Bonham recently. You don't dig him? That's totally cool, but don't ever underestimate the power of the Peart's, Bonham's, Moon's and Starr's that have been the sole reason that many an aspiring drummer picked up the sticks in the first instance.

Not to your tastes, perhaps. But "overrated" is just a ridiculous thing to say.

Ask yourself, would we have the Portnoy's, the Carey's et al, if it wasn't for the fore runners like Peart? Would we have the Bonham's and the Peart's without the Rich's, Krupa's, Bellson's and Morello's? Each up and coming generation should quite rightly "raise the bar", but that should in no way diminish those that came before them.
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Old 04-07-2010, 06:57 AM
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You know, I just gotta say that while I agree that he's not the "best in the world" (whatever that might mean), it's worth keeping in mind that most signature drummers do their most ground-breaking work when they're in their 20s, and into their 30s if they're lucky.

And it's not just drummers, it's a common phenomenon - take Einstein for example. He was in his 20s when in 1905 he published papers on Special Relativity and the photoelectric effect (for which he won the Nobel). He was in his 30s when in 1916 he published General Relativity. After that? Practically nothing, other than trying to convince himself that "God doesn't play dice" which clearly, he does! (see quantum theory, which Einstein spent the rest of his days trying to refute). He never came close to those youthful achievements, despite his best efforts.

Here's another example (and back to rock): Look at Van Halen. They jumped the shark with 1984 and everyone pretty well knows that (maybe even before then depending on who you ask). At least for those of us old enough to remember them in their heyday. Van Hagar is no more representative of the magic of that band than anything NP's done since the early/mid '80s.

If you listen to Neil Peart between the years '76 and '81 (2112 thru Moving Pictures) you get the most accurate representation of why NP is so revered among (most) drummers. Sure, he's still trying new things, is entertaining, and seems like a nice guy... but that fire he had then just can't be recaptured. It's been gone for years - decades, even. You can't just watch him with the Buddy Rich big band and think you know all there is to know about him. You can't watch his modern solos and think that that's what he's been doing all along. If you want to understand what the fuss is about, you have to go back further; back when he was keen to make a name for himself - not after he'd done so.

Perhaps the song "Losing It" was him coming to the realization that he was about to start burning out. I think if you're making judgments on him based on anything Power Windows or later, your missing out on what it was that made him so great to begin with. (I still like a lot of later Rush, but for different reasons)

Go back and listen to the Working Man solo on "All The World's A Stage" and listen to that 23 year old tearing into that kit with such abandon and exuberance and tell me that he wasn't an exceptional talent. That thing was as musical as it was epic. His solos have evolved over the years (as all things must), but they've never approached the energy of that one.

Limelight - listen to him smoothly and subtly invert his 4/4 beat against the 6/8 for 8 bars and then invert it back again nearing the outtro, which most drummers probably never even noticed despite having listened (and air drummed) to it a thousand times. That was before guys like Vinnie and Dave made beat inversions commonplace and obnoxiously obvious. And that "solo" at the ending? Wow. Keep in mind this was a major radio hit.

Nobody gets to go that over the top without losing the audience, yet as drummers (and non-drummers), we're awed that that level of complexity and audacity could be completely tasteful and appropriate - necessary, even. It just makes me laugh. He was the first drummer that I was aware of, then or since, that elevated drum compositions to such a degree. It's wasn't just accompaniment or showboating; it was somewhere in between and beyond. He brought rock drumming to a new creative level on par with the other instruments. Perhaps his most significant achievement was being the first universally recognized great rock drummer who wasn't a converted jazz drummer - he was rock from the word "go". (Mitchell, Giles, Bruford, Palmer,... even Bonham had that swing)

Did I mention that he raised the bar on precision? He may look and sound stiff now, but when he was younger and more limber, he was uber-precise and powerful. Not a robot, but a finely-tuned, well-oiled machine.

It was never so much that he was the "best" at chops (although they were mighty and fearsome), but that his time was so consistently smooth, his fills so accurate and well-conceived, and overall, his compositions were so clever and clean and just so far beyond just banging out a standard rock and roll beat... it was the combination of all those virtues that has won him more awards than any other drummer to come along. The guy clearly loved playing the drums more than anything else in life. That may not be true anymore, but it was then.

Overrated? This drummer doesn't think so.

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Overrated??? It's cool to have an opinion mate and yours is no less valued than anyone elses, but throwing terms round like "overrated" is just sheer foolishness.

I saw someone say the same thing about Bonham recently. You don't dig him? That's totally cool, but don't ever underestimate the power of the Peart's, Bonham's, Moon's and Starr's that have been the sole reason that many an aspiring drummer picked up the sticks in the first instance.

Not to your tastes, perhaps. But "overrated" is just a ridiculous thing to say.

Ask yourself, would we have the Portnoy's, the Carey's et al, if it wasn't for the fore runners like Peart? Would we have the Bonham's and the Peart's without the Rich's, Krupa's, Bellson's and Morello's? Each up and coming generation should quite rightly "raise the bar", but that should in no way diminish those that came before them.
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I like your post, MikeM, good points.
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I can remove them if it's an issue :-)

Gotta (I know, I know) admit Swiss.........I'd rather see a few misplaced " ' " than the constant barrage of symbols, simbles, thrown's and base drum pettals that are all too prevalent on the forums.
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hey there,

just been watching some Peart Videos online, and after i thought about speaking my mind on him for a few years now actually, i decided to finally do so.

On a personal level, i really like the guy (from what i can tell through interviews etc.). Also i think he has a very good attitude towards his instrument and " to always be learning." I think you have to admire a person who carries himself that way (sorry for my english....)

But also - and unfortunately for him, because i bet he didnt start the myth and wouldnt want himself to be considered the best or anything like that - he is one of the most overrated drummers of all time, at least in my opinion. I want to explain this by adressing some of the most popular arguments about his playing:
1. His technical skills are amazing.
He has good technique - at the things hes playing (wich i'll get to later). But any Drummer who practices regulary and the right way can achieve Pearts level of technique in a relatively short amount of time (I'd say about 5 years, if not less, but thats debatable). Since he doesn't do any advanced independence or polyrythmic stuff it just boils down to pure hand and feet speed. I think his singles are pretty good, his doubles are not that fast though. His feet are ok. Keep in mind this is all IMHO. And dont give me the "Playing over 3 is hard "(regarding one of his foot ostinatos hes playing all the time, RLL) - it's just not.

2. He's totally creative and comes up with Stuff no one can come up with
Well i actually think hes creative. At least he was once in his life when i came up with that solo hes been playing for a gazillion years now. And maybe at the Time this stuff was innovative. But now it isnt anymore. I'd like to make one point clear though: i'm speaking to drummers here (i hope). So i think you guys should understand that writing or performing a drumsolo which makes an audience go crazy - a good thing and something i admire about peart - does not necessarily mean its the most creative or expressive solo. Like in Language theres things certain people just dont understand because of a lack in vocabulary. A perfect example would be the a tony royster jr. solo video that appears on the side of a peart video on youtube and leads a lot of peart guys to it - in that video tony plays a great solo but incorporates a lot of advanced stuff like overrideng and/or playing polyrithmic patterns. In the Comments of that clip you see a lot of Peart Comparisons, where fanboys write that to them it sounds like random banging on the drums without concept, which is ridiculous. Drummers at the level of Royster (just an example, I'm not even mentioning greats like vinnie or dennis chambers) could write and perform a solo like pearts while sleeping. They just dont do it because their vocabulary is much bigger and they like to express their emotions on a much more complex level. To a person who can understand these concepts and the patterns/phrases they play, their solos are much more touching, creative and awe inspiring than anything Mr. Peart could do. I'm not saying that i want constant Polyrithmic wanking or 10 minutes of blistering fast double bass playing. But these things can make a solo much better played at the right spot. And sorry to say this, Mr.Peart just simply cant play them, so he doesnt even have the option, wich in itself IMO should clear out any doubts about if he's the best. hes just playing the same patterns and phrases over and over again, nothing creative to me there nowadays. And im not even starting about his humongous kit. I'd like to see Mr.Peart play a solo on a 3 Piece kit and see what "great phrases" he comes up with. Even at the buddy rich memorial he had to bring those cowbells, so he could play his lame signature doubles/melody phrase thing. How creative is that? Please.

I'd like to close my statement with the Fact that i would never in my Life write such a post, if there wasn't this gigantic hype around the man. I respect him and his playing and i wish him all the best and success. But i think its a slap in the face to all those guys that have invested much more time and energy in developing their craft and have deliverd so much more interesting efforts on the instrument, to say that he is the best Drummer ever or anything even remotely close (btw out of all the "overrated drummers - Portnoy, Jordison, Barker, etc- i still like him the most :-))

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Welcome to DrummerWorld, Mitchi. Hope you enjoy your stay.

With that being said, I have to strongly disagree with your O P I N I O N . You attack Peart's playing by suggesting that Colaiuta and Chambers can do a Peart solo while sleeping. Wow! You say Peart is creative, then blast him for doing the same patterns and phrases over and over again(again...your opinion) Huh? Gigantic hype about the man? Really?

Well...I constantly see present day drummers' bios listing NP as a huge influence. Accomplished drummers point to him as someone they listened to growing up and were in awe of his playing. He's won countless drumming awards since the 70's...and STILL does to this day. Always listed and nominated on many readers polls from an array of drum magazines. As far as rock drummers, he is without a doubt, one of the top drummers ever. He's earned enough respect from Cathy Rich, Buddy Rich's daughter, to spearhead the Burning for Buddy series of recordings and shows. He gathered some of the most revered drummers in the world for that project in the mid 90's, and he also participated in the 2008 Buddy Rich Memorial Concert, AGAIN invited by Cathy Rich. He's had a hugely successful recording career with Rush, since 1975, with albums such as Fly By Night, 2112, and Hemispheres in the 70's. Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire in the 80's. Roll The Bones, Counterparts, and Test For Echo in the 90's. And the most recent work Snakes & Arrows.

I mean, what's your point Mitchi? Who's next on your radar, Bonham, Moon, Gadd, etc...

Who died and made you THE authority on who is overrated or underrated in the drumming world? Sounds like you are the next Buddy Rich. Oh wait, you probably think he's overrated too.

Thanks for your opinion, which I'm sure is not shared by most other "drumming" fans. Not "fanboys" as you call them. Don't get confused between infatuation and fact. I'm a call-it-like-I-see-it "drumming" enthusiast, who ain't buying what you're selling, Mitchi.

But in fairness to freedom of speech, you have every right to say whatever you believe no matter how different you think on this subject. I just strongly believe you are in the minority here, Mitchi.

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I was going to add something, but MikeM and Pocket-full-of-Gold said it all best.

OK, I will add this: yes, there are many drummers who are better soloists. But most people who worship Peart don't do so for his drum solo ability, and probably would list his solo ability near last in the reasons they like him.

It's for his song writing (lyrics) for what he does with-in the songs, and that he can play these technical parts in songs that people actually still want to hear.

Peart brings the whole package to the table, as opposed to some very talented people who don't having writing credits to their name and/or mostly play on music most non-musicians have never heard of. There are a lot of ubber technical drummers out there, but they are not on a radio, only play music most people have never heard of, and some of it leaves many people cold.

And if you read/listen to Peart interviews, for the most part, he regards himself as not all that talented.

But like MikeM said, you have to consider the context of the time. Comparing a 50+ old guy to a twenty something drummer is apples and oranges.
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I can remove them if it's an issue :-)

Gotta (I know, I know) admit Swiss.........I'd rather see a few misplaced " ' " than the constant barrage of symbols, simbles, thrown's and base drum pettals that are all too prevalent on the forums.

LOL, I love the "symbols" :D.

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To all the guys that replied to my little "rant": first of all thanks for your opinions. And to be honest, i guess it's not right to decide who is overrated so i apolologize for that. Keep in mind that i was watching a ton of Drummers i admire yesterday on youtube, and in every other Video somebody had to post: "Yeah, but Neil Peart shits all over this Guy!" or "This Chambers Guy is nothing compared to Neil Peart...". This just always gets to me :-)

When i started getting into Drums and Drummers, i always loved his Solos, and actually liked them more than more technical or intricate Stuff other Drummers did (which i later got into as i learned to understand their language). And maybe that's all there is to say about him. I still stand behind everything i said (besides the overrated thing to a degree) and i still think that there are many debatable points in what supposedly makes him so great, but he for sure did a lot for the drums and their role as a solo instrument and therefore deserves every bit of honor and success he has (like i said before).

Also maybe i need to say that i'm 24, so i don't really come from a generation, whre he had such a major impact playingwise (maybe, i don't know).

So again, all the best to you Mr.Peart and to all you Drummers in the Forum too, of course. May we have some interesting debates in the future :-)

Edit: PS: to Jeff Gordon: I never said Buddy Rich is overrated or even implied it. He's in my opinion the greatest Jazz Drummer ever. Bonham and Gadd are Legends in their own Rights. But don't get me started on Keith Moon...

... in the End its all personal preference i guess..

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But most people who worship Peart don't do so for his drum solo ability, and probably would list his solo ability near last in the reasons they like him.
Yes, that would be me. IMO, Neil is one of the few drummers that meticulously sculpts his compositions. I never grow tired of the intro to Subdivisions - I love those ride bell syncopations. I always like the way he uses crashes as accents, like those big band drummers used splash cymbals. And his general syncopated style is just a pleasure to listen to. He is great because I never tire of listening to him. Neil is Rush. Of all the overrated rock drummers out there, why attack him? We got people slobbering over Charlie Watts and Phil Rudd around here. Sounds like a jealous resentment to me.
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[quote=beatklops;685413]hey there,

1. His technical skills are amazing.
Since he doesn't do any advanced independence or polyrythmic stuff

I guess your not a Rush fan because he re-wrote the book on that stuff.
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I guess your not a Rush fan because he re-wrote the book on that stuff.
Thats exactly what i was speaking about in my previous posts. He re-wrote the book on that stuff?! COME ON! But if you really think so please elaborate on the intricacies of his highly sophisticated polyrhythmic structures and demanding independence involving grooves. Because im not perfect and i would be glad if somebody proved me wrong. Seriously.

Keep in mind that when Neil hit the Scene, Vinnie was already playing with Zappa...

Again, i just look at pure skill and technique here, his other achievements in music and drumming are absolutely legit. But this post below is exactly why i wrote something in here in the first place...

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Thats exactly what i was speaking about in my previous posts. He re-wrote the book on that stuff?! COME ON! But if you really think so please elaborate on the intricacies of his highly sophisticated polyrhythmic structures and demanding independence involving grooves. Because im not perfect and i would be glad if somebody proved me wrong. Seriously.

Keep in mind that when Neil hit the Scene, Vinnie was already playing with Zappa...

Again, i just look at pure skill and technique here, his other achievements in music and drumming are absolutely legit. But this post below is exactly why i wrote something in here in the first place...

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Boy you got me there. I really only heard one song from them, Bob Saywer or something like that and it was real simple. ...

ever hear Mystic Rythms for example?
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So i just listened to mystic rythms and am really interested in where you think that song contains any polyrythms or stickings/grooves that require more than average independence. This song shows nothing of those. Maybe you just confuse some expressions here though...
Memorizing many different Song parts and playing odd Time signatures does not equal playing the above said stuff...

This is what i'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IY9xuwe6EE

I like the Song btw :-), except of Geddy Lees Hairstyle, but maybe that was just the 80s :D
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Here is another under rated drummer you mentioned. Performing a tribute to Mr Peart.
I was there watching this. He mentioned something about he was one of the reasons he picked up the sticks. Sarcastic mode: I'm sure his technique is sub par as well and has no
business playing drums. Sarcastic mode off.
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I never said hes underrated. I mentioned him as overrated (portnoy that is). But i already said that maybe this is not a description i have the right to use in this context. So i'll ust say that Mr. Portnoy IMHO falls under exactly the same category Mr.Peart falls into, which is why its no surprise to me that he pays him tribute. Although i think Peart actually did a little more for Drumming in general.

I think you dont want to understand me yesdog, i dont say that these guys cant play. My point is about Skill and Vocabulary.

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Neil's awesome at life.
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Keep in mind that when Neil hit the Scene, Vinnie was already playing with Zappa...
Not really true.

Vinnie joined Zappa in 1978. Joe's Garage came out in 1979

Neil joined Rush in 1974. Fly By Night came out in 1975.

So, technically, Neil was first.

Now if you said Terry Bozzio, you might be on to something.
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So i just listened to mystic rythms and am really interested in where you think that song contains any polyrythms or stickings/grooves that require more than average independence. This song shows nothing of those. Maybe you just confuse some expressions here though...
Memorizing many different Song parts and playing odd Time signatures does not equal playing the above said stuff...

This is what i'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IY9xuwe6EE

I like the Song btw :-), except of Geddy Lees Hairstyle, but maybe that was just the 80s :D
Since when are playing poly-rhythms the sole factor that determines how good a drummer is?

Just because YOU apply one criteria to determine whom is better does NOT mean other people do as well.

And honestly, who gives a flying you-know-what whom is a better drummer anyway?
Did some Rush fan pee in your cereal this morning so you feel the need to crap all over Neil to make yourself feel better?
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And honestly, who gives a flying you-know-what whom is a better drummer anyway?
Pretty much sums up my feelings on it all.

Since when did, drumming/drummers/music in general ever become a competition?..........oh that's right....DAMN YOU.....'Idol'.....X-Factor.....(insert your nation)'s Got Talent!!

"I didn't come to the Grammy's to watch anyone win or lose......I came to watch everyone play" - Ringo Starr. Sage words indeed.


Now, for the real test. What is the BEST soft drink.....Coke or Pepsi? Surely EVERYONE knows it's Coke.....I HATE friggen' Pepsi!!
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I dont understand the obsession with polyrhythms and stickings and blah blah blah.
In the real world if you are hired to play a session or audition for a band, I got news for you,
other musicians could give a flying F^%$$ about that stuff. Our job as a drummer is to keep time and add flavor to the music. I don't think playing 5 over 4 will go over well in most music settings. unless you want to get fired. Dave Weckl played on a song called like a virgin from madonna, Dave is one of the best drummers out there, but he played what was called for.
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Pretty much sums up my feelings on it all.

Since when did, drumming/drummers/music in general ever become a competition?..........oh that's right....DAMN YOU.....'Idol'.....X-Factor.....(insert your nation)'s Got Talent!!

"I didn't come to the Grammy's to watch anyone win or lose......I came to watch everyone play" - Ringo Starr. Sage words indeed.


Now, for the real test. What is the BEST soft drink.....Coke or Pepsi? Surely EVERYONE knows it's Coke.....I HATE friggen' Pepsi!!
Are you freakin crazy! Pepsi is the best. Coke sucks. By the way Chicago PIzza is better
than New York's Pizza. And yes I put ketchup on my hot dogs ( thats taboo in Chicago )
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Not really true.

Vinnie joined Zappa in 1978. Joe's Garage came out in 1979

Neil joined Rush in 1974. Fly By Night came out in 1975.

So, technically, Neil was first.

Now if you said Terry Bozzio, you might be on to something.
Actually, I think Bozzio would not have been correct either. Probably Aynsley Dunbar back in that era, then before him Jimmy Carl Black. Zappa changed drummers more than clothes, I think. Either way, he's way off on Vinnie.

I don't know what's going on here other than the usual young male competitive thing. Who's the baddest in town? Shall we have a shootout? I'll bet Neil could care a less. Beatklops - if it's Youtube comments that set you off, rest assured that most of the remarks on Youtube are from adolescent punks. I often watch videos of some classic bass players on there, and have to tolerate all the comments how Flea and Les Claypool can play circles around them. It's of course not true, but I feel no urge to go find a thread on either Les or Flea and urinate all over them, either. They aren't the ones making claims like that - the know nothing punks are.

Now if it was Ginger Baker, that's another story.......................
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