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Old 08-15-2007, 11:01 PM
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hey everyone, i just want to know, is axis pedals like cheating?
i watched virgil donati earlier today on his tour here in south africa and i was blown away.im a metalhead also, but very very open minded and i want to learn jazz, all this clinic stuff, i have the creative control by thomas lang, marco minnemann's extreme drumming.im realy blown away by drumming like that, those guys play drums like it should be played, but what would that drummers think of axis pedals?
if your dream is to become one of the best drummers and you play axis.will they pass you cause its cheating.cause no clinic drummer except metal drummers play with axis.
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:06 PM
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What pedal you play has nothing to do with 'cheating'. They're all different and will have a different effect on your playing, but I would never say any pedal was cheating. The good players can play on any pedal, it's all just down to personal preference ultimately.
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:13 PM
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In my opinion there is no cheating. You are a percussionist and your job is to make noises that others interpret as music, and to keep rhythm for the band. There was another debate earlier as to whether or not the DUALIST pedal was cheating. These pedals are no more cheating than using a double pedal. Why not use the available technology to either make the job easier, more interesting, or more fun and more musical. We now affix tambourines to our high hats and I'm sure a professional tambourine player may find offense. Guitar players use a myriad of pedals now for sounds when back in the day they had one. Piano players for old swing bands may think that electronic keyboards and synthesizers are cheating, but I say use the technology available to play whatever music you want. AXIS on my friend.
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:02 AM
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Just like there's no crying in baseball, there's no cheating in drumming.


... Well, that's not necessarily true (it's arguable that Dualist pedals and triggered drums are 'cheating' at drumming), but inasmuch as Axis pedals.. they're just really good pedals. And based on the examples you gave us -- those drummers are ridiculously talented anyway, and I'm sure even with a low-budget pedal they can still play better than most other drummers out there.

And metal drummers aren't the only drummers using Axis. I've seen drummers of various styles use them, but I will agree that the majority of Axis' market caters to metal drummers.
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:35 AM
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"Cheating" implies there are some kind of rules and this is some kind of game. What are the rules, and what is the game? To work as hard as possible and reject refinements that could allow you to play more, better, faster and with less effort?

It's arguable that double pedals are themselves cheating. People like Buddy Rich could do anything with one pedal, but they had to work hard to get there.
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:45 AM
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It's arguable that double pedals are themselves cheating. People like Buddy Rich could do anything with one pedal, but they had to work hard to get there.
Very very good point. I didn't realize this at all until I finally got man enough to remove my slave pedal. (which was last night haha)
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:06 AM
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Very very good point. I didn't realize this at all until I finally got man enough to remove my slave pedal. (which was last night haha)
I keep going back to my generic Tama single pedal over my Pearl Eliminator because I just enjoy the single pedal more I think. Sure there are times when I need a double pedal to play some songs "right" but for some reason I like the single pedal more. Also, I can get the right feel out of my Eliminator- i love how it is in my local drum shop, but even duplicating every minute detail it still gives me very little rebound (perhaps its time to replace the springs...)

I don't think axis is cheating though, there's really no such thing as cheating unless you play a backing track and "drum-sync" to it.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:25 AM
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If using one of the best tools precision engineered for your feet is cheating... then I suppose. I think some people say Axis are cheating only because they can't afford their own. heheh

I've only tried them out once. My feet felt like they were gliding on water. It was beautiful. Call me what you want, if I owned them I'd be nothing but happy. hahah
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:29 AM
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It's just a pedal people! It doesn't cure cancer and it's not "cheating" or whatever you want to call it.
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:25 AM
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I had one and did not like it at all, I much prefer a double chain pedal to a direct drive but thats just me. I fail to see how it is cheating??

If anyone passes on you because you play a direct drive pedal (Note Axis is not the only one) then you probably don't want to play with them anyway.
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:34 AM
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is axis pedals like cheating?
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:57 AM
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Like many have said I don't view drumming as some kind of game or sport. There really is no cheating. If there is a piece of equipment that will make you play and sound better then use it.
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:58 AM
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I think he may be talking about the Axis Longboards and not just Axis Direct Drive pedals themselves.

No, they're not cheating. You still have to play all the notes your self and hone your technique, they just make it a bit easier.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:34 PM
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Awesome, thanx alot everyone for the answers.yeah, it is axis a longboards.
im just scared that the pro drummers out there would pass me someday if i accomplish something cause i play with axis or something.cause i know those pedals feel like flying.like if virgil donati does fast double strokes on double bass and with axis it would be much easier and now it's sort of cheating.no clinic drummer plays with axis longboards.but i feel alot better.thanx everyonei live in south africa and it's like being trapped from the world out there.no music market, i just to spend time practicing hard and then going overseas to start playing where ever i can.
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:44 PM
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i use Axis and i certainly don't play any better than with my DW pedal nor any other pedal for that matter.
as others have said, its not cheating...its more to do with technique and control....of which i'm lacking but trying nonetheless.
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Old 08-16-2007, 06:04 PM
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I just got a Janus Pedal by Mapex - arguably that pedal is cheating too.

But I see it as things to make my job easier.

Is a motorcycle drum throne cheating?

Are 7A's cheating?
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Old 08-16-2007, 06:12 PM
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I just got a Janus Pedal by Mapex - arguably that pedal is cheating too.

But I see it as things to make my job easier.

Is a motorcycle drum throne cheating?

Are 7A's cheating?
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Maybe sticks are cheating. The first drum sticks were simple sticks and bones. At some point, someone figured out that if they made the stick straight and put a taper in it, it would be faster and have better rebound. No doubt the mastodon bone players cried cheating. They probably said the stick is doing all the work for you, it's not hard enough and it's too fun. Ditto for mechanical lugs and plastic heads. Thank goodness no one listened to them much.

"Cheating" implies this is a game or competition and there are rules. If it's possible to cheat at music, what is the game and what are the rules?
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:21 PM
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im just scared that the pro drummers ... i play with axis ... sort of cheating.no clinic drummer plays with axis longboards.... i just to spend time practicing hard
You have to remember, Axis doesn't make drums. So they really don't have the juice to send anyone around the world doin' clinics. Big drum companies sponsor clinics to sell drums. Just keep practicing hard. That will earn you respect. The cats with ego's and attitudes, by and large, get culled out of the pool pretty quick. I've met some of the biggest cats in drummin' history, and they've all been nice guys. Just regular Joe's who happen to make a livin' playin' drums. The Axis might be "your" pedal of choice, but if you're good, I'm sure you'd rip it up on a Camco or a Flexi-Flyer just as well.

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Old 08-17-2007, 12:22 AM
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I thought drumming was about having fun, keeping a groove, and expanding ones abilities. If you like Axis Pedals, don't worry about what others think buddy. As long as you like them and you find them helpful to fit your playing, then use them up. Have fun.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:56 AM
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hey everyone, i just want to know, is axis pedals like cheating?

Yes, using Axis pedals is most definitely 'cheating'. Anyone using an Axis pedal is going to have an obvious advantage. These people should be put in a separate class altogether, its not fair they have such an advantage over other drummers just because they have thos damn Axis pedals.

Check out the Axis artist roster list, everyone of thos guys is 'smoking' with their feet, not fair, not fair at all.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:17 PM
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haha If using axis pedals are cheating then shouldn't playing high end kits be called cheating too? They sound way better than a CB kit right? If axis pedals are cheating then I argue mics are cheating. You need to just play louder. haha.
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People like Buddy Rich could do anything with one pedal..
I bet he couldn't drive a car with one pedal.
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Practicing should be considered cheating and unfair, because it makes you play better than the people who don't practice.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:37 PM
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Practicing should be considered cheating and unfair, because it makes you play better than the people who don't practice.
I agree, I got kicked out of drum contest because they found practice in my blood stream.
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Pedals are like computers....garbage in, garbage out. They are only as good as the person playing them.
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hey everyone, i just want to know, is axis pedals like cheating?
i watched virgil donati earlier today on his tour here in south africa and i was blown away.im a metalhead also, but very very open minded and i want to learn jazz, all this clinic stuff, i have the creative control by thomas lang, marco minnemann's extreme drumming.im realy blown away by drumming like that, those guys play drums like it should be played, but what would that drummers think of axis pedals?
if your dream is to become one of the best drummers and you play axis.will they pass you cause its cheating.cause no clinic drummer except metal drummers play with axis.
plz help me here.sorry if i talk a little confused

I guess I don't understand why using an Axis brand pedal is cheating? I have had one guy claim that I have a "cheater" (double) pedal. I didn't understand why doing something smarter with the available technology was cheating. I don't know if he meant that I was cheating a chiropractor somewhere out of the money it would take to straighten out my back from hauling an extra bass drum around? Or was it cheating to even use a bass drum pedal since that technology put half of the drummers out of work?


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i dont quite see how an axis pedal is cheating...

gear is a personal choice, if you play one for the first time and you like.. then you buy one... i dont see how the pedal will make you a better player... it might play a little faster because it is more comfortable or smoother... but the pedal itself will not improve your skills...thats what practice is for!
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I'm beginning to feel like it's deja vous all over again.
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I think it is "deja vu" ;-)
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Quick, somebody kill this before it gets to the children.
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I think it is "deja vu" ;-)
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Roughly French for "again you", deja vous is the experience of thinking that one has been oneself before, perhaps in a past life, or in this same one, but several days ago. Extremely self-aware people are often unable to avoid experiencing deja vous throughout every minute of their waking lives.

(Not to be confused with "deja vu", a common and easier-to-spell phrase in both English and French.)

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I think it is "deja vu" ;-)


Roughly French for "again you", deja vous is the experience of thinking that one has been oneself before, perhaps in a past life, or in this same one, but several days ago. Extremely self-aware people are often unable to avoid experiencing deja vous throughout every minute of their waking lives.

(Not to be confused with "deja vu", a common and easier-to-spell phrase in both English and French.)
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If you consider drumming a sport, if you measure skill level by foot speed, then yes it is "cheating".
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Roughly French for "again you", deja vous is the experience of thinking that one has been oneself before, perhaps in a past life, or in this same one, but several days ago. Extremely self-aware people are often unable to avoid experiencing deja vous throughout every minute of their waking lives.

(Not to be confused with "deja vu", a common and easier-to-spell phrase in both English and French.)
I'd be curious as to where "déjà vous" comes from. That is an inexistent expression in French.
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