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Old 11-14-2006, 05:59 PM
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I tried desperately to get tickets to see Herbie Hancock with Vinnie on drums in London. I failed and the show has passed. Did anyone go to this or the previous shows? I know someone mentioned that they were going but they haven't said anything since.

I must know what it was like!

I am GUTTED that I didn't go. GUTTED!
I feel your pain, I missed it as well. All i've seen is a review in the Daily Telegraph, the reviewer seemed to be under the impression that Vinnie was in his twenties....
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Old 11-14-2006, 06:22 PM
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All i've seen is a review in the Daily Telegraph
Ahh now I get our disagreement: you hug young thugs rather than fighting with them!

Sorry Jones, jus' teasing :) I'm a Telegraph reader myself.

I phoned up everyday to see if there were any cancellations for the Herbie concert but I too was disappointed.
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Old 11-14-2006, 06:44 PM
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Sleeping dogs, Womble, sleeping dogs;) Just to make clear, I am NOT a tory, hehe
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Old 11-15-2006, 11:15 AM
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I feel your pain, I missed it as well. All i've seen is a review in the Daily Telegraph, the reviewer seemed to be under the impression that Vinnie was in his twenties....
Ah, interesting. What did this article say? Trust the Telegraph to get Vinnie's age wrong. Bloody tories (no offence to you or Womble, haha).
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Old 11-17-2006, 01:59 AM
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I'd be interested to see how many "serious, advanced students" would actually understand him. At least understand him to the point of being able to apply what he was telling them to the set.
I guess maybe he need to set some requirements for the students, if he really want to do master classes. Actually I heard that his teacher Alan Dawson had a small test (rudiments, singing aloud some standard songs, etc) to take his private lesson, because Alan was teaching advanced students only. For beginners or basic level students, he introduced another drummer who was his students.
Even so, not all students will be able to understand all Vinnie says. But it's quite normal, because we can see this situation in every level of lesson, from very basic to highly advanced. Or even in a classroom of a high school. No teacher can let all students fully understand what he/she teaches...teachers gotta try to do it, but the reality is that only some students who are more talented will be able to go forward.
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:06 AM
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I didn't see this Zappa one referenced above ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPobB_1kZao

Another dimension of Vinnie's technique ...

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Old 11-27-2006, 06:57 PM
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Jonescrusher posted it on the previous page, and I commented quite a bit on it..
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:58 PM
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Lol, yeah sshu keep up!
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:40 PM
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Lol, yeah sshu keep up!
Oops. I'll be feeling that one in the morning ... :) Sorry.

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Old 12-11-2006, 03:55 AM
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Last week I went to Herbie Hancock concert in Tokyo and Vinnie was playing there. The band played songs from Herbie's latest album and also a couple of classics such as Chameleon, Watermelon Man and Cantaloupe Island. VINNIE PLAYED HIS ASS OFF!!!!!!!
He was playing with a big smile, with beautiful & powerful sound, tight & deep grooooooooove, and his soul! When he hit a note, it wasn't just a note...I could feel his soul and emotion there.
I guess he was very happy to play songs which were originally played by his "big brothers" in Alan Dawson family.
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Old 12-19-2006, 04:17 PM
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Some cool stuff here:

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Old 01-01-2007, 11:38 PM
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Maybe people have already seen this from awhile back, but his work on Seven Days with Sting is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=920BnH5bRJk

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Old 01-06-2007, 11:05 PM
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Some cool grooving by Vinnie with Akira Terao - Re-Cool ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2cdgo86Hzo
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Old 01-06-2007, 11:36 PM
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Some cool grooving by Vinnie with Akira Terao - Re-Cool ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2cdgo86Hzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPli_1AaLSs

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Great music, with or without Vinnie. Why don't we get music like this on UK TV channels?
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Old 01-06-2007, 11:52 PM
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Great music, with or without Vinnie. Why don't we get music like this on UK TV channels?
Agree it's great music with or without Vinnie. We don't get enough of this in the States either. I think I'll have to move to the Pacific Rim. :)

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Old 01-23-2007, 03:26 PM
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Well first off sorry about my language in my last post, I shouldn't have done that. Sorry. Basically I didn't like what he had to say. From what he said about hating people asking him how he came up with this, and how do you do that. Calling most drummers today "lazy and non-musical" and that all anyone wants to see or hear is "razzle-dazzle". Yet he talks about himself as having an outlook on drumming that is "very visceral and conceptual and wide". I though he came across as narrow minded and self absorbed. Yes a lot of music today is the same ol' rehash of something that happened 20-30 years ago and is sterile as all hell, but if you don't like it then don't listen to the radio. I don't. I happen to think that there are a lot of crazy talented "musical drummers" out there that make me work harder and harder to be the best that I can. Some of them have forums on this website and they are more than happy to help you with questions about certain concepts and you never get a response like "figure it out for yourself" or "your going to get what you get out of it". For someone who is considered an "innovator" who is complaining about the state of drumming today he isn't doing very much to change the problems he sees other than to complain about it. Doesn't sound very innovative or original to me.
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:38 PM
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Well first off sorry about my language in my last post, I shouldn't have done that. Sorry. Basically I didn't like what he had to say. From what he said about hating people asking him how he came up with this, and how do you do that. Calling most drummers today "lazy and non-musical" and that all anyone whats to see or hear is "razzle-dazzle". Yet he talks about himself as having an outlook on drumming that is "very visceral and conceptual and wide". I though he came across as narrow minded and self absorbed.

Well, if almost any other drummer had said that, i'd agree, but Vinnie.... The fact that many other drummers and musicians place him on a pedestal, and that he's clearly a very intelligent person anyway I think sometimes contributes to an, at times, aloof image. That said, many major players have the problem of not being able to analyse the chops they come up with, that's the beauty of their improvisational ability.

Anways, I won't be treated to that MD issue over here for a couple of months at least, so i wait in great anticipation.
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:13 PM
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Well I'm sorry, I'd hate to spoil the surprise for ya!
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:27 PM
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From what he said about hating people asking him how he came up with this, and how do you do that. Calling most drummers today "lazy and non-musical" and that all anyone wants to see or hear is "razzle-dazzle". Yet he talks about himself as having an outlook on drumming that is "very visceral and conceptual and wide".
Sounds like a totally accurate appraisal of the current drum scene. Well said Vinnie.
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:03 PM
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Drumming scene or music scene? Music these days is Pro-tooled to death. The drums probably being the most affected by the digital era. In my opinion it all comes down to what you listen to. And it really isn't any different than it has been for the last 20-40 years. Every era has only had a handfull of really special players. I kinda prefer it that way because those guy get to really shine. And it has been awhile since Vinnie did anything really special. I did however agree with what Vinnie said about drumming becoming a sport and guys walking around with their Drum-o-meter. What the hell is that? WFD??? Who cares.....well obviously someone, but you centainly don't have to pay attention to it.
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:21 PM
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And Vinnie also said "you have to play for the song". How many times have we all heard that? Yet when we do play for the song, drummers everywhere jump all over you for not having chops! A drummer can only do so much for a song. If you play and show your chops your over playing, if you lay back and only play what a song needs you have nothing to offer. I don't get it.
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:25 PM
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well, although his words may be a bit brash, if one person has EARNED the right to call it as he sees it, its vinnie. vinnie doesnt need to do anything spectacular, he knows his playing speaks for itself, which i believe is his point. also, why should he give up a secret or allow another drummer to cop a lick w/ a five minute lesson when it took him the better part of his lifetime to be able to play the way he does? i know its very tempting to ask players of that caliber how to play this or that but one day the young drummers out there are going to have to learn to do things the old fashion way....sit w/ a record, tape, cd, or video and put in the hours necessary to find out how NOT to play their favourite lick before they figure out how to play it. when jeff watts is asked "what are you playing?" he usually replies w/ a very cryptic "5's and 7's." this, to me, is a respectable answer. he didn't get the opportunity for a short cut, he put in a lot of work to develop his sound and he had to experiment to get there and once you do the same you will see how much his answer truly relates to the way he plays. dont deny yourself the opportunity of learning thru trial and error......remember its not about the end, its about the journey.
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:33 PM
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Yes, Vadrum, YES. If everyone thought like this maybe we'd be spared all those "How did you get such a fast foot?" questions. "Because I practised a lot, you idiot, what do you think?!?!"
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:53 PM
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I completely agree with the whole trial and error thing BELIEVE ME I KNOW!!! I have 20 years of trial and error ( mostly error ) under my belt. But then if that is the only way learn things and get a little respect from your peers then why would anyone bother to take lessons? Is that being lazy and un-musical too then? Shouldn't we all help cultivate and educate the up and comming to creative and musical? I'm not saying give them all the answers but whats wrong with a little hint or clue. For someone to say "I'm playing 5's and 7's" well thats great!! Your not laying it all out for them but putting them in the right general direction and chances they will come up with something similar but different. And I hate generalizations that all drummers are lazy and un-musical. Are you?
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:58 PM
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Now yes that falls under lazy and dumb!!!!

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Old 01-23-2007, 06:09 PM
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I don't think its fair to suggest he's lazy or apathetic in teaching his ways to others - some are better than others in explaining clearly their techniques and approaches. Check out his website - he provides a great and simply laid out approach to implied metric modulation; buy the Unreel Drum book for further insights into his playing. The complexity of his playing, and the apparent fact that he's not a natural born educator means that the majority of drummers probably wouldn't benefit from him imparting his knowledge.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:54 PM
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I think he's probably far too busy recording or touring to devote much time to education. Were I in his position, those would be my highest priorities.
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:18 PM
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i think vinnie has contribited enough to drumming education just playing on CDs. if he gives us any more its a bonus.

do you know who Larry Finn is? some do a lot of drummers don't...why? becaise he is a great drum educator without huge vinnie like fame. his strength is transferring ideas as well as drumming. check out his DVDs. how many people really knew tommy igoe before the DVDs? not that many.

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I completely agree with the whole trial and error thing BELIEVE ME I KNOW!!! I have 20 years of trial and error ( mostly error ) under my belt. But then if that is the only way learn things and get a little respect from your peers then why would anyone bother to take lessons? Is that being lazy and un-musical too then? Shouldn't we all help cultivate and educate the up and comming to creative and musical? I'm not saying give them all the answers but whats wrong with a little hint or clue. For someone to say "I'm playing 5's and 7's" well thats great!! Your not laying it all out for them but putting them in the right general direction and chances they will come up with something similar but different. And I hate generalizations that all drummers are lazy and un-musical. Are you?
i wouldnt pay for a lesson w/ vinnie to ask about a lick. id take a lesson w/ vinnie to discuss approaches to practicing or playing, technique, or concepts of playing. further, if i were interested in one of vinnies licks, then i would at least attempt to pay the man for his knowledge. i wouldnt expect him to respond when hes never met me b4 and now suddenly im in his face at the club begging for a peek at his tricks.

see the real issue here is that we have students out there trying to find the secret to having a fast foot or playing like vinnie. or they think that the secret to being successful in music is playing all of the flash. but there are no secrets truthfully. its all laid out for you to play it out. you just need to be able to go out there and figure it out. to me thats the real purpose of a teacher. when youre my student, my goal is to get you to the point where you are able to figure things out for yourself. then you can shape your own sound and take music in your own direction.

to me, it sounds like vinnie is running across folks that he feels are focusing on the wrong thing and he meets folks that dont want to put the time in to figure things out for themselves. if you want to get a handle on one of his licks, skip the lesson and dont talk to him about it, go to the club and get a seat right next to the drums and stay there, watching, every night until the gig is over.
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Old 01-25-2007, 06:40 AM
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Yes, Vadrum, YES. If everyone thought like this maybe we'd be spared all those "How did you get such a fast foot?" questions. "Because I practised a lot, you idiot, what do you think?!?!"
I totally agree with you. Vinnie has been practicing real hard. Even now he is saying like "I need to practice paradiddle more!" His play is based on the basics which many of us are practicing as well, just like 26 (or 40) rudiments, Stick Control for the Snare Drummer , 4 -Way Coordination: A Method Book for the Development of Complete Independence on the Drum Set, or Patterns.
And all those are a kind of "scale practice" for drummers. Drummers need to play "music" based on those things. I guess Vinnie wants to talk about music.
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Well, if almost any other drummer had said that, i'd agree, but Vinnie.... The fact that many other drummers and musicians place him on a pedestal, and that he's clearly a very intelligent person anyway I think sometimes contributes to an, at times, aloof image. That said, many major players have the problem of not being able to analyse the chops they come up with, that's the beauty of their improvisational ability.

Anways, I won't be treated to that MD issue over here for a couple of months at least, so i wait in great anticipation.

And there is a difference between a great drummer and a great teacher. Some drummers are both and, sadly, some of the greatest drummers, because of their lack of ability to communicate, will take everything to the grave with them.

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Some drummers are both and, sadly, some of the greatest drummers, because of their lack of ability to communicate, will take everything to the grave with them.

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But what you see and hear is what you get on the multitude of recordings and video footage of the man. There's no unfathomable secret to his playing that he's refusing to share....
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And a perfect example of this thinking is right at our fingertips. Read the majority of posts in this forum (or any drum forum) and it's all about speed or someone trying to find a short-cut to "improve" their playing.

The people most offended by Vinnie's criticism are those types of drummers.

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Drummers jump all over you for not having chops? They do? I wouldn't. Jeff Porcaro wouldn't. Vinnie certainly won't. An experienced drummer won't do that. What does chops have to do with making music? I find Vinnie's playing on "Fields of Gold" every bit as good (if not better) than the hundreds of solo clips that everyone puts up.

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And Vinnie also said "you have to play for the song". How many times have we all heard that? Yet when we do play for the song, drummers everywhere jump all over you for not having chops! A drummer can only do so much for a song. If you play and show your chops your over playing, if you lay back and only play what a song needs you have nothing to offer. I don't get it.
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I read Vinnie's interview with glee that he was standing up and stating the truth. Bravo.
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Bingo. Vinnie isn't hiding a thing. I think 99% of us don't get it and wouldn't get it if he explained it to us.

Given enough time, any of us could master the technical skills required to play what Vinnie plays. There are dozens of drummers that have already mastered this. Probably hundreds. Probably thousands.

It's not about chops. It's about how to use chops. When to do this, when to do that and when NOT. There's also what he brings to the drums that can't be taught or practiced. It was something he was born with. He was born with the ability to be "very visceral and conceptual and wide". That's the ticket right there.

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Old 01-30-2007, 04:48 PM
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And a perfect example of this thinking is right at our fingertips. Read the majority of posts in this forum (or any drum forum) and it's all about speed or someone trying to find a short-cut to "improve" their playing.

The people most offended by Vinnie's criticism are those types of drummers.
Well if you think I'm offended because I'm looking for a short cut your dead wrong! I have been playing for 19 years and I practice everyday for at least 2hrs. I'm not anywhere near as gifted as someone like Vinnie and no I don't consider myself to have all my chops in order. But I happen to think that Vinnie was making a very big generalization when he that statement. Ya sure there are a lot of drummers looking for the easy way (along with guitar, bass, etc, etc, etc) but there are just as many people I'm sure who are passionate about their instrument and music and take the time to learn everything they can. That is what offended me. And there are some absolutely amazing drummers out there right now and Vinnie's comments in MD made me think "Are you living in a hole somewhere?" So who cares if someone wants the "secret" to this or that, let them waste their time trying to find it. So you'll have to excuse me now, I have all day to play my brand new drums.
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The drumming for Megadeath was kinda boring, for metal drumming, but I agree about the Kick the Chair riff...cool.

I saw him on TV with Faith Hill. Perfect Rhythm drumming ;-)
Good morning fellow drummers,

I just wanted to say that Vinnie is an absolute Legend! And also that his drumming on the Megadeth album is excellent aswell! I would never have expected him to do a metal album and it's just blown me away! I'm a huge fan of Frank Zappa & Chick Corea and I'm also a metal fan among other things.

The thing is, metal drumming doesn't have to be fast and complex to sound awesome.

There are many metal bands that play slower, chunkier style music and the drums might be slower but they can sound groovy, powerful, and very cool! (eg. Soulfly, Sevendust)

Vinnie's drumming on "The System Has Failed" is a real treat... to hear a drummer of his quality and capabilities and high level of skill playing hard hitting groovy beats to some fine metal riffs is very cool to say the least and he does it with absolute class and style!

Very cool drumming on a very cool album.
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I just borrowed "The System Has Failed" from my guitar player but haven't listened to it yet. And I completely agree that metal drumming doesn't have to be crazy and fast all the time. Besides a lot of metal drumming falls into what has been discussed in the thread of late. I personally find blast beats and straight 16ths/ 32nd note double bass boring as hell. There is no imagination or color to it.

Sorry wy yung if I seem to be picking on you. Your comment last week or whenever was the latest one regarding chops and I was getting tired of reading about that stuff all the time. Just venting!!! LOL. Anyway I understand what Vinnie was trying to get across after seeing everyone elses interpretation of his article.
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Sorry wy yung if I seem to be picking on you. Your comment last week or whenever was the latest one regarding chops and I was getting tired of reading about that stuff all the time. Just venting!!! LOL. Anyway I understand what Vinnie was trying to get across after seeing everyone elses interpretation of his article.

Oh no need to be sorry. I tend to agree with you. ;-)
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