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Old 05-14-2007, 11:17 PM
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Default 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

I have a 13" tom lying round that i don't really use, do you guy's (and gals) reckon it could be converted into a bass drum as the basis of a hipgig kit?

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*edit* just noticed i manged to put ass in the title,mods feel free to change it...
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

after getting done laughing, I came upon the decision that a 13" will be a very flat sounding bd. But hey, try it out, and see if you like it.
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

It'd mostly be for feathering and stuff in jazz, so i hope that won't be too much of an issue...

anybody ideas on how i could actually do it?
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:38 PM
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Sure, why not? A lot of jazz guys tune their bass drums higher than a typical 13 inch tom, so you should be able to turn this into a decent bass drum. You'd need a special way to mount it. I built my own bass drum cradles at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23501

Another option would be to mount it like a tom, from a stand, just very low to the ground and horizontal. But you'd need some way to keep the bass drum pedal from sliding around. Hmmmmm.....
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Old 05-15-2007, 12:04 AM
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that cradle looks awesome,sadly way beyond my abilities...

at the moment i'm thinking something along the lines of one of these http://www.musician.com/product/Pear...it-?sku=448440
to hold the pedal still; combined with some sort of simplified cradle (wood?). or maybe i could fit leg mounts to the tom.
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Old 05-15-2007, 12:23 AM
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that cradle looks awesome,sadly way beyond my abilities...

at the moment i'm thinking something along the lines of one of these http://www.musician.com/product/Pear...it-?sku=448440
to hold the pedal still; combined with some sort of simplified cradle (wood?). or maybe i could fit leg mounts to the tom.

That pearl adaptor looks good. It is designed for a 16-inch drum, however. But it should still work - the only drawback is that you wouldn't be able to have a long beater shaft, but that shouldn't be a problem with the kinds of styles you'd be playing.
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Old 05-15-2007, 04:07 AM
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Default Re: 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

Sure you can, here's what I've done with a 14x11 tom. It's fitted on the snare stand with a L-rod & clam on the tom mount. When I had this small setup, I had two ply coated for batter and a single ply with muffling ring for reso. I also filled inside the tom with a small towel touching the batter & reso and I used a round felt beater. It sounded good with a cranked shallow snare drum.

Some pics to show the setup. 3rd pic show the hardware fitting.









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Old 05-15-2007, 04:15 AM
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Ha! you said ass. <--- i fully expect that to get moded

i find my 13" tom to be way to Flat, and bland for a kick. its way to high pitched also. it would be cool to get some heads that would work, a cocktale kit could be a blast!

my 16 works pretty good though, some times i set it up like a cocktail kick, so i can use it as a tom and a kick.. its sweet!
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Your bass drum pedal doesn't seem to be attached to anything. What stops it from shifting around?

I like this little set-up.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:31 PM
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Your bass drum pedal doesn't seem to be attached to anything. What stops it from shifting around?

I like this little set-up.
Duct tape !

True but seriously, I plan to make a custom fitting to attach to the snare stand but before I'll built a riser for my 16" floor tom to convert it as a bass drum.
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Duct tape !

True but seriously, I plan to make a custom fitting to attach to the snare stand but before I'll built a riser for my 16" floor tom to convert it as a bass drum.
Very good job mounting that little bass drum (that method is what I first had in mind).

Friends don't let friends use duct tape, however. It's cheap and awful and messy. You could put scratchy Velcro on the bottom of the pedal and that might hold it, as well as extending the pedal spikes into the rug. My DW5000 pedal came with scratchy Velcro already on the bottom. Anything but duct tape.

I'm realy eaer to see the riser and mod you're going to build.
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Old 05-15-2007, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

I've decided to steal mind drummer's idea, and now have the tom running of a cymbal stand minus the cymbal bit (which i discovered is the same size as a tom arm, handy). it's reasonably sturdy - i.e. it has yet to fall off. my pedal has spikes and Velcro, which both seem to be doing a good job of holing it in place.

sound wise, it's a bit flat, but i played a bit with my brother on piano, and it seem to work fine for jazz stuff.

photo's soon!
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:56 PM
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Very good job mounting that little bass drum (that method is what I first had in mind).

Friends don't let friends use duct tape, however. It's cheap and awful and messy. You could put scratchy Velcro on the bottom of the pedal and that might hold it, as well as extending the pedal spikes into the rug. My DW5000 pedal came with scratchy Velcro already on the bottom. Anything but duct tape.

I'm realy eaer to see the riser and mod you're going to build.
As soon as I have make it I'll post it I swear.


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I've decided to steal mind drummer's idea, and now have the tom running of a cymbal stand minus the cymbal bit (which i discovered is the same size as a tom arm, handy). it's reasonably sturdy - i.e. it has yet to fall off. my pedal has spikes and Velcro, which both seem to be doing a good job of holing it in place.

sound wise, it's a bit flat, but i played a bit with my brother on piano, and it seem to work fine for jazz stuff.

photo's soon!
Glad you liked my small setup, it's very fun to play. Cant wait to see pics of your setup.
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:25 PM
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here you go, as promised.. photos! (apologies for the shoddy digicam, i normally use 35mm)



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Old 05-16-2007, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

hmmm...I don't know about that, it might be a little too small. It might sound too choked and you won't be able to get a decent sound...I don't know...Experiment though!
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:19 PM
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Nice but I didn't know it was a concert tom, well, why not. Maybe double ply head and small towel touching the batter can do the job. I hope you like it and have fun.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: 13" tom as hipgig ass drum?

I have a coated amb on there at the moment, plus a cue towel touching the head, seems to fit the 'jazz sound' quite well. wouldn't a 2-ply kill it a bit? if i can do a decent job of recording it, i'll post a sound sample.

next step, the 10" bass drum!
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:02 PM
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I have a coated amb on there at the moment, plus a cue towel touching the head, seems to fit the 'jazz sound' quite well. wouldn't a 2-ply kill it a bit? if i can do a decent job of recording it, i'll post a sound sample.

next step, the 10" bass drum!
If you put a towel on the head, you will choke it and cancel out the head resonance. I could never figure out why drummers put the ringiest heads on their bass drums, then complain about all the ring and stuff mattresses and refrigerators into the bass drum to kill its sound.

Try a thicker head with no muffling, like a two-ply or Fiberskyn. You'll get the maximum sound possible out of the drum, while controlling ring. I would also recommend a resonant head, one that is a bit lighter than the batter head.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:10 AM
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at the moment I'm just working with what i have. once i have the cash, I'm getting new heads, I've had my eye on some fiberskyns for a while. a bit off topic, but, don't you have to tune 2-ply's higher to get them to open up?

as for the reso, if only i could... (take another look at the photo's)
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:25 AM
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at the moment I'm just working with what i have. once i have the cash, I'm getting new heads, I've had my eye on some fiberskyns for a while. a bit off topic, but, don't you have to tune 2-ply's higher to get them to open up?

as for the reso, if only i could... (take another look at the photo's)
It depend of the sound you want. If you want a deep warm controlled sound, a two ply head with medium loose tension will give you that fatter sound. It would mix better with the snare in bass/snare/hi-hat work.
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Old 05-17-2007, 10:06 AM
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ok, i think i'll try a 2-ply, any reccomendations? i have a clear pinstripe on my actual bass drum at the moment, not really felling it..
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