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Old 04-22-2007, 05:52 PM
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Default why do 99% drummers live use coated?

I see a lot of live shows (rock) and barely see any drummers using clear heads. This goes for quieter, folkier rock to power pop to hard rock shows.

I've always used clears, but have been debating on changing to coated.

Why are live drummers using coated in most cases? Does anyone else notice this?
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Old 04-22-2007, 05:55 PM
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They dont. Id say more rock/metal drummers use clears.
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Old 04-22-2007, 05:57 PM
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Yeah, most likely the drummers you've seen like that sound better
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Old 04-22-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: why do 99% drummers live use coated?

Seems to me that almost every drummer either uses Pinstripes, Ambassador Clears, or some kind of clear Evans or Aquarian. I can't think of even one drummer off-hand that uses coated heads on their toms or kicks.

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Old 04-22-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: why do 99% drummers live use coated?

Mitch Mitchell and Bonzo used coated on all their drums when playing live. Most jazz drummers do such as Tony (when he was younger), Jeff Hamilton and Joe Morello.
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Old 04-22-2007, 07:08 PM
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Nothing says "plastic" like a clear head.
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Old 04-22-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: why do 99% drummers live use coated?

Im not sure 99% of drummers use coated live, but as a techy, i can tell you that coated heads get rid of some of the high-end "noise" that can come from clear heads. But if drummers tune clear heads low, that "noise" is not a problem. Thus, clears for rock and metal drummers.
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Old 04-22-2007, 07:37 PM
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Yeah, I don't know about the 99%, but I think most of them prefer the sound of coated. A lot warmer with slightly less overtone. Plus the fact that a lot of our drumming heroes used coated probably contributes to it.
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Old 04-22-2007, 07:41 PM
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From what Ive noticed more drummers use clear heads live, but maybe the trends are changing. I normally use coated one plys in the studio and clear 2 plys live.
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Old 04-22-2007, 10:46 PM
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Because it looks more classy!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:06 AM
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I don't know about the other 99%, but I use the Steve Smith standard of Clear Ambassadors on batter and resonant


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Default Re: why do 99% drummers live use coated?

I have no idea what your talking about.
Other than bonham i really havent seen anybody live use coated heads on the reso side. Always clear.

Sorry i had to say it.

I use coated because i doesnt keep ringing like the clear heads ive seen. And when your live I really dont thing you want sound to keep traveling.
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Old 04-24-2007, 07:48 AM
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I have no idea what your talking about.
Other than bonham i really havent seen anybody live use coated heads on the reso side. Always clear.

Sorry i had to say it.

I use coated because i doesnt keep ringing like the clear heads ive seen. And when your live I really dont thing you want sound to keep traveling.
umm, i didn't say anything about coated resos...but i'm talking batters just to clarify;)

i'm not sure what level shows/venues you guys are referring to, or if it even matters, but what i'm talking about aren't huge arena shows necessarily, but the smaller-medium sized venue shows (rock) i've seen in the past year have all been coated batters....that's been my experience in Vancouver anyway....
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:50 AM
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umm, i didn't say anything about coated resos...but i'm talking batters just to clarify;)

yea i know...I was being a little smart a** and so i apologized.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:48 AM
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yea i know...I was being a little smart a** and so i apologized.
hehe, gotcha...good to have humor between obsessing about drum gear;)
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Well, I like brushes so I wouldn't use clear heads. I also dislike a plastic attack at lower volumes as well. Coated heads can be a problem though. There seems to be no good solution. Remo coating I've seen wears down fast and the Aquarian heads I have are chipping creating white dust all over the place which I'm getting tired of. I'm going with Fiberskyns next and probably will need to replace the bottoms as well. I started off with G2 coateds and well these things just weren't that great to begin with. Evans coating holds up the longest I suppose. Coated heads just have a more comfortable feel to them. I've played on enough Pinstripe kits to be sick of clear heads. Also, its pretty boring looking at the inside of the drum from the top. All those grain patterns going around, and around, and around and around and around and around and around and around and around...
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Old 04-27-2007, 07:34 AM
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I'm going with Fiberskyns next and probably will need to replace the bottoms as well.
If you manage to destroy the coatings of normal heads, you'll obliterate Fiberskyns as well. The main strike area of the heads will start to "bubble", come off the head and ultimately break.
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Old 04-28-2007, 10:17 AM
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umm, i didn't say anything about coated resos...but i'm talking batters just to clarify;)

i'm not sure what level shows/venues you guys are referring to, or if it even matters, but what i'm talking about aren't huge arena shows necessarily, but the smaller-medium sized venue shows (rock) i've seen in the past year have all been coated batters....that's been my experience in Vancouver anyway....
Brushwork and slightly more muffled sound in the coated head department.


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Old 04-29-2007, 07:23 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out why one of my Aquarian heads is almost completely devoid of coating. A defective head I guess. Especially since they claim to outlast all other coatings. I had a Remo Ambassador for a few years and it was fine but then I've seen new Ambassador heads wear out in a few weeks. The Aquarian Modern Vintage snare head I have has been on for months and it's still great. This is neat considering I play on my snare mostly. The fairly new (1-2 months) Texture coated tom heads are wearing thin and the 12" one is now a clear head with a coated ring. It's like the coating was just resting on the head. I never play hard at all which is what is the strange part. Actually I think it was a chipped stick that caused it to start flaking and then it just started the chain reaction and the rest of it came off. Oh well.
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its about 50% really. I sometimes use coated on bottom and top.. really warm and controlled.
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Old 05-15-2007, 07:07 AM
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Default Re: why do 99% drummers live use coated?

Anyway to respond to the original poster... 99% of people here use clear heads, it's rare to see anyone with coated heads.

Evan's coated heads seem not to wear as much I think because the plastic under it is actually white as well, plus with the coating being so smooth to begin with it's hard to tell wear.
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:15 AM
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Evan's coated heads seem not to wear as much I think because the plastic under it is actually white as well, plus with the coating being so smooth to begin with it's hard to tell wear.
The downside is that evans coated heads are less warm than remo's.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:19 AM
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99% does seem high, but yes a lot of drummers do you coated heads live and in the studio. As mentioned above they help to cut down on some of the natural overtones and "noise." Plus they have a slightly punchier sound than most of the clears that I've used.

Some artists that I can think of off the top of my head who use coated heads:

Gavin Harrison
Dave Weckl (and almost all jazz/fusion artists for that matter)
Martin Lopez
Martin Axenrot

That's just off the top of my head. But a lot of drummers (including rock and metal) use coated heads live now.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:26 AM
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I'm not sure about the 99% either but alot has to do with drum materials nowadays. In the 80's most pro kits (especially rock groups) were birch kits. just in the past 10-12 years, maple has taken over. To me, coated heads sound much better on maple kits than on birch.
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In my opinion, clear heads sound cold and "plasticy" at medium tunings and frail and boingy in higher tunings. I've been playing coated heads for years now and always favor the warm round tones that go along with coated emperors or ambassadors. Even on cheap drums.
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The downside is that evans coated heads are less warm than remo's.
i use all Evans, i find the sound to be plenty warm, i cant speak the fact that Remo is more or less warm, how ever Evans last at least twice as long with good tone.
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Old 05-20-2007, 11:57 AM
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In my opinion, clear heads sound cold and "plasticy" at medium tunings and frail and boingy in higher tunings. I've been playing coated heads for years now and always favor the warm round tones that go along with coated emperors or ambassadors. Even on cheap drums.
I've never understood why coated heads wouldn't fit cheap drums. The coating kills so many overtones, that cheap drums would actually do much better with coated than clear heads. I've never tried coating on low end kits; how are they?
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Old 05-23-2007, 03:16 AM
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99% does seem high, but yes a lot of drummers do you coated heads live and in the studio. As mentioned above they help to cut down on some of the natural overtones and "noise." Plus they have a slightly punchier sound than most of the clears that I've used.

Some artists that I can think of off the top of my head who use coated heads:

Gavin Harrison
Dave Weckl (and almost all jazz/fusion artists for that matter)
Martin Lopez
Martin Axenrot

That's just off the top of my head. But a lot of drummers (including rock and metal) use coated heads live now.
can think of two more, Chad Smith, Tre Cool
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what about smooth?
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:43 AM
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can think of two more, Chad Smith, Tre Cool
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what about smooth?
Chad definately uses clears and I actually thought Tre uses smooth whites now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You sure Chad uses clears? He definitely used to use coated.
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McBrain plays coated heads aswell.
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Coated heads are much more durable. If u hit a clear head and a coated head as hard as u could, the clear head would dent but the coated head wouldn't. The sound stays consistent.
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Coated heads are much more durable. If u hit a clear head and a coated head as hard as u could, the clear head would dent but the coated head wouldn't. The sound stays consistent.
Er... Why would you want to deliberately dent a head? Bad technique combined with bad tuning can and will dent any kind of head.
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Agreed; dented heads is a sign of poor technique. Good hand technique should allow you to get any level of volume you require out of the drum without damaging the head.
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You sure Chad uses clears? He definitely used to use coated.
Yep. Here's a picture of chad's latest kit. Definately clears.

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Just took off my almost new Evans EC 2 Clear Heads and put Aquarian Studio-X Coated heads on my set tonight, very happy so far, but need tuning, this is my first set of coated heads and really think they sound nice.

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I am one of the ones who uses Coated at shows. I use only an Evans Power Center, with a stock remo underneath from my first Mapex kit. But thanks to my tuning, it sounds absolutely beautiful. I get the right sound for any style I play too. I've played Ambient to Punk to Hardcore drumming. so i guess i prefer coated due to durability
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Old 06-01-2007, 03:19 PM
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I use coated live at all shows I do.Coated heads , to my ear , sound more like a natural drum.The reason I use Evans G2 coated is because I can tune them a little higher than I normally would and still get great low end from them.The biggest reason is for the sound guys.G2's , I find , I can play open ( no muffling) and not have any nasty overtones. And the sound guys can really crank the volume on them and not have to worry about overtones causing feedback.This is a HUGE plus. Loud drums really fill out the overall sound and on some nights when your just not on , you can back off on hitting hard and still sound great.
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Hmmmm,
I've used both coated and clear heads live and they both sound great with their own characteristics, I find. For what it's worth, if you go to both Remo and Evans websites, click on any artist and look at the gear they use, you will find that the majority of players that are doing mainstream music are playing clear tom heads and coated snares. There are some exceptions, but not too many. That seems to be the norm. That doesn't mean that they are absolutely using them live because you don't see any actual pictures or footage, but again if you look at most videos here on drummerworld, the majority of the modern rock, country and mainstream players are using clear tom heads and coated snare heads.
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Er... Why would you want to deliberately dent a head? Bad technique combined with bad tuning can and will dent any kind of head.
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Agreed; dented heads is a sign of poor technique. Good hand technique should allow you to get any level of volume you require out of the drum without damaging the head.
Agreed, You shouldn't want to dent a head. Drum angle is also a big factor in this. Sitting in on a another drummer's kit who angled his toms A-LOT, I ended up denting his heads because I am used to much flatter toms. His = -/ Mine = -_

When your toms are angled TOO much you may as well be poking at them with the sticks.

I ended up buying him new heads 'cause I felt bad.
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