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Old 09-22-2012, 12:37 AM
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Default Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

It would seem that sometime recently, Vic Firth changed the finish on their sticks to be much tackier. I noticed this because I bought a huge amount of SD2's about a year a half ago, and the other day I brought a brand new pair home from the store. I also noticed they changed their matchbox artwork, so maybe that coincides with the lacquer change. A/B'ing them with my old SD2's, there's definitely a big difference and I'm not liking it... I have decent hand technique and don't hold the sticks very tight at all and I've got two blisters on my right hand... I haven't gotten a blister playing drums in years :\
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:39 AM
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Promarks have never given me a problem. Only time I prefer vics is for nylon tips which I normally don't use.
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:05 AM
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It would seem that sometime recently, Vic Firth changed the finish on their sticks to be much tackier. I noticed this because I bought a huge amount of SD2's about a year a half ago, and the other day I brought a brand new pair home from the store. I also noticed they changed their matchbox artwork, so maybe that coincides with the lacquer change. A/B'ing them with my old SD2's, there's definitely a big difference and I'm not liking it... I have decent hand technique and don't hold the sticks very tight at all and I've got two blisters on my right hand... I haven't gotten a blister playing drums in years :\

Believe it or not, I found one of my VF sticks to feel 'tacky' at last nights rehearsal. I just didn't really think too much about it until I read this thread.

Hmmmm.......................
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

I bought 3 new pairs this week, I did not feel any tackiness that you say.

Maybe you just got used to the feel of the older stick. There are differences between older sticks and newer ones in terms of how the wood feels IMO. Probably due to moisture content or the lacquer aging.
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:02 AM
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:17 AM
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

I bought a pair of hickory Firth American Jazz AJ2s the other day. A bit heavier than my usual these days but I really like them - nice weight and balance with a comfortable, natural woody finish.

Num, since you've already bought all those sticks it looks like you'll have to gently sand them down where you grip them.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:51 PM
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Just got a new pair of Vics this week. No problem. They feel good and play great. Sorry. . .
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:51 PM
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Didn't know they were using a new lacquer...
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:11 PM
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I bought a pair recently that felt tackier than usual. Gripped my fingers much more and gave me blisters too. A week or so wearing in did the job, now I use them for most rehearsals.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:06 PM
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Sounds like the guy at the drum shop did some nasty things to your sticks lol. That's not lacquer that's dried on there....
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:31 PM
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I noticed a difference in the last pair I bought too (as well has the change in packaging), but I wouldn't call it 'tackier'... All of my old (red box) sticks had a thick, glossy finish. The new (black/gray box) sticks, have a more natural, rough (almost like they're unfinished) feel. These are 55a's. The new ones don't bother me at all through...
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:34 PM
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just got a new brick of my Erskine Ride sticks......only difference is the color and graphic of the slide they come in

same exact stick

same amazing quality every time
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:03 PM
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Sounds like the guy at the drum shop did some nasty things to your sticks lol. That's not lacquer that's dried on there....
I've noticed your mind is usually in the gutter... we have that in common!

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I noticed a difference in the last pair I bought too (as well has the change in packaging), but I wouldn't call it 'tackier'... All of my old (red box) sticks had a thick, glossy finish. The new (black/gray box) sticks, have a more natural, rough (almost like they're unfinished) feel. These are 55a's. The new ones don't bother me at all through...
That's funny, I've noticed the opposite with these... maybe I got a rogue pair that made it through QC.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

I did notice that on a pair of Tommy Igoe Sigs. Almost reminded me of Regal Tip. But, I also got 50 pairs of their esthetic rejects at GC for $50, and none of them have laquer (except for the 10 pairs with vic grip). It doesn't bother me because I wrap them with TournaGrip.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:18 PM
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I've used Vic Firth sticks for 34 years. Never had a problem.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:31 PM
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I noticed the same thing. I usually use Vater 5As but my favorite drum shop was out, so I got a few pairs of VF 5As. I've used a lot of VFs over the years and they've always been great, but I noticed they felt sticky right off the bat. At first, I thought my hands were dirty with something (probably beer!) so after washing them and then grabbing another pair, the stickiness was still there.

I don't know if they changed their lacquer or something in the process went awry for a few batches, or what, but yeah, I noticed.
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Yeah. I've been using the Zildjian Colaiuta sticks ever since I began drumming. The ultimate stick for me.

Just picked up a pair of the new VF sticks and the laquer just feels awful.

It actually upsets me quite a bit as this is the only stick of it's kind.

I've tried scraping it off with some 0000 there's no way of getting it out of the grooves in the wood.
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Old 04-16-2014, 12:42 AM
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Promarks have never given me a problem. Only time I prefer vics is for nylon tips which I normally don't use.
A lot has changed since this. I now typically use mostly VF. AS7a. Lacquer doesn't bother me at all, hardly even notice unless I think about it.
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:42 AM
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Feels like I'm not connected to the instrument anymore.

Cold and sticky or slippery. Like holding a piece of plastic.

Zildjian, please start making the Colaiuta stick again. You can call it whatever you want. Always amazing feel right out of the bag. The VF version is useless to me. Been trying to bond with it for a week. As a regularly calm person I just get pissed off now and feel like breaking something when I play these things.

Yuk.

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Old 04-18-2014, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

Yeah, I found the same with the latest brick I bought! First used a pair in band practice and came out with a blister forming; having not had a blister in the last 15 years of playing!

I've started washing them with soap and water, which seems to take the stickiness off, but it's not ideal!
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:32 PM
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I just bought two pair of Stanton Moore sticks and one pair of Peter Erskine Big Band and I feel no difference. don't know how old they are though
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:02 PM
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I've started washing them with soap and water, which seems to take the stickiness off, but it's not ideal!

LOL

Curious if that would alter them at all. Do you dry them in anyway or just let air dry, or start playing and hit the water out?! Does anyone think that the wood might absorb a little of the water?


OP, I swear I've noticed the same thing randomly with pairs I try out at the GC. Other shops too, haven't kept track though. Maybe its just random pairs that are sticky.
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:19 PM
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Anything I bought this year has been the same. I Stock up on all 5 sizes of American Classics at the School. I use them randomly while teaching the kids and they get a pair of 5As when they start.

I don't really like them, way too light on the front end and the wood isn't dense enough for me either, but I know it's what most people like and when teaching the kids it doesn't matter.

However, for my own drumset playing it's a big deal.

I have about 50 pairs of the old Colaiuta sticks, so I'm safe for a while. Some day I'll run out though and I don't like that feeling and because of this I'll feel that I have to keep using them until they are completely worn out instead of treating myself to a new pair when I feel like it. Guess I'llg through one pair pr year and expect to die before I'm 87.

The obvious thing is to learn how to make them myself. Not an easy thing to do, though. Then again, considering the state of the music business maybe a stick factory is a better idea. lol

I did get most stuff off with sanding, steel wool and hot water. Rehydrating wood takes a while so a few minutes under a tap won't hurt anything. It still smells of lacquer a bit, but getting basically Down to clean wood was easy enough. Doesn't solve my own problem, though. Semms the wood is less dense, a touch of the weight up front is missing and they messed the tip up just a little bit. Doesn't feel so little, though Look the same, but the difference in feel is night and day.
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Old 04-19-2014, 04:36 PM
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

Just bought a few pairs of VF SD2's and did notice a difference. Thought it was just me...glad that others are noticing this too and I'm not just crazy....well maybe I am, but at least not about the sticks feeling different.
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Old 04-19-2014, 05:00 PM
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I have been playing Vic Firth sticks for at least 15 years, love them. Just bought 6 pairs about a month ago, haven't noticed anything different
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:38 PM
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

I think it depends on the model.. I just bought few Dave Weckl signature Evolutions (the orange-y ones) and they feel tackier.. however in the same sale I got a Erskine Ride Stick and felt no difference in the lacquer from previous pairs.
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Old 04-20-2014, 11:28 PM
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May be certain models, but also just old and new stock?
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Old 04-20-2014, 11:30 PM
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Seems it's a big enough deal for enough people.

Must be someone here from VF who can chime in?

It's sort of a big deal.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:58 AM
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I recently purchased a pair that seemed to lack just that tackyness, and not to my liking. The tacky Vic Firths that I'm used seem to work well with the amount of sweat that my hands produce, the sticks don't slip and I haven't had blisters in years.
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Default Re: Is Vic Firth's New Lacquer Bothering Your Hands?

I haven't really noticed any change lately, but I do occasionally get the odd pair that feels a little tackier than usual. Maybe the "recipe" for their lacquer isn't completely consistent.

Just get yourself some very very fine sandpaper and give it a little rub. Make sure it's very fine. Otherwise you're going to take off ALL of the lacquer and probably not sand it smoothly which will leave you with just as many blisters as you had before. I've never tried the soap and water thing, but I'd imagine that your brand new sticks would quickly get water logged and have an uncomfortable feel and sound to them.
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No, I have never an issue with them.
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I just bought two new pairs this weekend and I didn't notice anything different.
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