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Old 06-16-2006, 05:58 PM
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Symbolic, I dare to oppose. When you're around for 40 years, and still appealing to even the younger audience well then I think the Stones DO know how to play their instruments + know how to make a hit song....but this is not the right thread.


But you got a point saying slipknot fans think they are the fastest,...and so on...
Well for all those and the ones who think morbid angel is brutal: listen VADER , not to mention NILE or CRYPTOPSY.
Now i donno which one is the fastest of them all, but the speed these last three guys do the albums: well honeslty: never heard before.
Brutality to the core, hyperagressive, hypertechinical, superhumanhyperspeed. 'specially crypotsy's "AND THEN YOU'LL BEG" album
Not into metal anymore now sold most of my cd's but the ones i liked best and the ones with the nices drumwork on i kept. Wel the cd's from these three warmachines i kept. And plz check out www.cryptopsy.net. Thén lets talk :-)

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Old 06-16-2006, 09:12 PM
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Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments. They are popular because they followed the mold of how to get a hit song, and because kids attached to them to rebel against their parents. I am not saying the Joey isnt talented, he is but the clown dude and the other percussionist are just there to layer the sound, nothing else. But are they needed, no. Could Slipknot have the same sound without them, yes.

I think that real metalheads dislike Slipknot more than people who dont like metal to begin with because Slipknot has alot of fans who go around thinking Slipknot are the fastest/heaviest/brutalist metal band around and wont even recognize other metal bands than Slipknot, Metallica, Trivium etc.
slipknot must be getting SOMETHING right, so ou can't argue with their talent for making music that people enjoy, even if you don't think the extra percussionists are needed, they probably have something to do with the reason slipknot are doing so well. if they really weren't needed they really wouldn't be in the band.
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Old 06-17-2006, 03:33 AM
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Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments.
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Old 06-17-2006, 03:55 AM
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Old 06-17-2006, 11:47 AM
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Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments. They are popular because they followed the mold of how to get a hit song, and because kids attached to them to rebel against their parents. I am not saying the Joey isnt talented, he is but the clown dude and the other percussionist are just there to layer the sound, nothing else. But are they needed, no. Could Slipknot have the same sound without them, yes.

I think that real metalheads dislike Slipknot more than people who dont like metal to begin with because Slipknot has alot of fans who go around thinking Slipknot are the fastest/heaviest/brutalist metal band around and wont even recognize other metal bands than Slipknot, Metallica, Trivium etc.
Symbolic, I agree with KornSlipknot, okay, Chris and shawn arn't the most talented guys in the band, but they do have a suprising impact on Slipknot's sound, it might not be hugley noticable, but without it, Slipknot really would not be the same.

Also what you say about metalheads who like slipknot only recognise them as a good metal band, not entirely true, again true there will be newbs who will think like that, but not true for all metalheads who like slipknot, just look at KornSlipknot's member name, "Korn Slipknot" both metal bands to a certain extent, but in completely different leagues at the same time, it symbolises a wide range of musical taste, I myself, love slipknot, they are my favourite band and got me into metal, but since i have found other bands and recognise them as great metal bands, there are even bands i like who arn't even metal, even goldie lookin chain! I don't single one band out.

Joey is a very talented drummer, not neccesarily the best, but he is easily one of the best.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:51 AM
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^^^ true, kinda of like Barker, I thought joey had background in jazz, i would love to see him play some jazz tunes
eew that would suck
he can barely play a solo as it is... he rushes like a pregnant woman to the hospital
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Old 06-20-2006, 09:12 AM
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you all have great things to say but i personally believe that joey does have many great talents he has a fast foot (which by the way he uses a dualist aka a double single pedal) his band has some good songs (i used to be a huge fan but then again i used to like linkin park, there drummer sucks a-hole) i think about four of slipknots members should be killed off, including the two extra percussionists and the dj and the sound effects guy. so that all drummers if you want to e-mail me it's pudgytheclown123@yahoo.com or im pudgytheclown peace
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Old 06-20-2006, 10:29 AM
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He uses a Duallist? No...
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Old 06-20-2006, 04:45 PM
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you all have great things to say but i personally believe that joey does have many great talents he has a fast foot (which by the way he uses a dualist aka a double single pedal) his band has some good songs (i used to be a huge fan but then again i used to like linkin park, there drummer sucks a-hole) i think about four of slipknots members should be killed off, including the two extra percussionists and the dj and the sound effects guy. so that all drummers if you want to e-mail me it's pudgytheclown123@yahoo.com or im pudgytheclown peace

uses a dualist! Lies! he uses pearl eliminator or tama iron cobra! have you not seen disasterpeices or any other video of joey playing for that matter. i'm sorry for having a complete outburst but, this is like that thread that some newb posted about joey using some sort of bicycle mechanism to achieve his double bass.

okay, i'll agree, joey is slightly overated, but that does not mean he connat play as well as he does, and acheive the speed on his feet that he does. i've said it once and i'll say it again, he is by no means the best metal drummer, but he is pretty dam good and definately one of the best, and is definately my favourite. there is a difference between saying someone is the best at something, and saying that they are your favourite, they don't mean the same thing.

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Old 06-20-2006, 05:52 PM
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I never did like Slipknot much... Joey's style gets the job done, that is about all I will say. He is a good drummer, I just don't like the style.
yea i really dont like the style that much either. Joey has talent and he is quick but i think he would get old pretty quick as a stand alone drummer. he definately fits into that style of music but i wouldnt say much more than that. Iv seen him do some cool things and i used to actually like slipknot. now the only reason i would lisiten to it is for pump up music(lacrosse games)
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:02 PM
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Joey is good and fast but he is just way to one dimensional for me
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:27 PM
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but he is pretty dam good and definately one of the best, and is definately my favourite.
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Old 06-26-2006, 07:15 AM
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ok maybe i could be wrong about the whole dualist thing but im pretty sure that for there newest record he used a dualist for some of there songs.
p.s. i used to absessed with slipknot but i dont listen to crap music any more
p.p.s. i still think that joey isn't half bad
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Old 06-26-2006, 09:22 AM
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Joey is a good drummer. Good double bass and get the crowd going! I will say i do think his feet at times are faster than his hand speed. When he hits those blast beats he sometimes falls back from his hand speed.
I shouldnt be speaking, im not the best double bass drummer player in the world, but i do know that Joey is good, but when it comes to double bass if you guys want to see a great double bass drum player check out the drummer from "Morbid Angel". Not my type of music but faster than hell of a double bass player.
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Old 07-02-2006, 03:28 PM
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eew that would suck
he can barely play a solo as it is... he rushes like a pregnant woman to the hospital
what the hell?

he doesn't rush. he plays fast. there is a difference.
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Old 07-03-2006, 04:59 AM
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Joey Jordison is an amazing double bass player when it comes to playing fast but. There isn't anything else he can do. I mean i like double bass but when thats the only thing you can do in drumming.
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Old 07-03-2006, 03:37 PM
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^ You have not seen what Joey has done outside of Slipknot then.
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:37 AM
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^ You have not seen what Joey has done outside of Slipknot then.
I agree. Joey does use a lot of double base, but that is only becuase he is playing in a band that is very agressive and fast. You are not going to play a slow skillfull jazz beat, to a song that is full of crushing heavy guitar.

In other words he isnt playing to be a noticed drummer, he plays for Slipknot, and hes drumming style in Slipknot is the best for the band.
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:07 AM
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Yes, but the thing is, it's mostly staight 16ths. I they might have 2 songs in 12/8. There isn't much variation and dynamic in his playing.
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:14 AM
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I have never been a fan of slipknot mainly because I am not in to heavy metal music (tool and pantera is as heavy i can take)

Joey is very overrated. Sure he is living the dream of playing drums for the rest of his life and thats cool. He just got lucky and became in a popular band (same with barker)

Joey is not my style of music so Im not going to bash on him becasue i really never hered much of him. But from what i did hear he is not to impressive, nothing to other rock drummers like, Bonzo, Portnoy, Carey
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Old 07-04-2006, 02:07 PM
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I have never been a fan of slipknot mainly because I am not in to heavy metal music (tool and pantera is as heavy i can take)

Joey is very overrated. Sure he is living the dream of playing drums for the rest of his life and thats cool. He just got lucky and became in a popular band (same with barker)

Joey is not my style of music so Im not going to bash on him becasue i really never hered much of him. But from what i did hear he is not to impressive, nothing to other rock drummers like, Bonzo, Portnoy, Carey
i don't think he "just got lucky". i think joey and travis put a lot of work into their drumming and their respective bands put a lot of work into their music and created something that people like.
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:08 PM
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He just got lucky and became in a popular band (same with barker)

That is not entirley true, Joey plays a very major role in the band, and is one of the major factors that the band are so poular, he doesn't just play the drums, he writes the majority of the material aswell. I'll agree with you to a certain extent that he is overatted a little, i personally think that Travis barker is way more overatted than Joey, i don't see the point in getting overely aggressive about defending my favourite drummer. (that's not implying that anyone else is btw)
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Old 07-04-2006, 07:13 PM
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That is not entirley true, Joey plays a very major role in the band, and is one of the major factors that the band are so poular, he doesn't just play the drums, he writes the majority of the material aswell. I'll agree with you to a certain extent that he is overatted a little, i personally think that Travis barker is way more overatted than Joey, i don't see the point in getting overely aggressive about defending my favourite drummer. (that's not implying that anyone else is btw)
Slipknot is not my style, he's dong better then me so cant be mad at him. He is in a popular mainstream band. And created an image for himself. I do know his double bass speed is not all him, he uses triggers to make himself look fast

I just think he's not as skilled as some other metal drummers (Danny Carey, Vinnie Paul for example)
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:18 PM
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Slipknot is not my style, he's dong better then me so cant be mad at him. He is in a popular mainstream band. And created an image for himself. I do know his double bass speed is not all him, he uses triggers to make himself look fast

I just think he's not as skilled as some other metal drummers (Danny Carey, Vinnie Paul for example)
as far as i am told, triggers does not make you sound faster?.. it make your drums sound louder, with less power from you.. so u dont have to hit them so hard. :)
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:34 PM
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as far as i am told, triggers does not make you sound faster?.. it make your drums sound louder, with less power from you.. so u dont have to hit them so hard. :)

which in turn probably makes you play faster. i guess
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:28 PM
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which in turn probably makes you play faster. i guess
i fail to see how? u still have to move your feet and arms.. and if you cant do it fast enough before, how could you do it with just more volume? anywho. im only quoting what ive read, you could be right. i just dont know how it would go faster :)
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:47 PM
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I got the vid and uploadede it, here you go



http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SG5KUK7Y
great stuff.. does anyone got more of that concert?
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Old 07-07-2006, 05:47 AM
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Eh, Joey's not that great. I saw his solo on that DVD... it got boring after the first minute. All it was was double bass and rolls. All crowd-pleasers.
are u crazy! listen carefully and u will hear a bunch of cymbal stuff. and other stuff its actuall relly complicated
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Old 07-07-2006, 07:34 AM
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Old 07-07-2006, 02:54 PM
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are u crazy! listen carefully and u will hear a bunch of cymbal stuff. and other stuff its actuall relly complicated
No I just wasn't that impressed either. I think he makes his best statement within Slipknot, as a drummer that is. I can't stand Slipknot, but he's a good drummer. Just that solo isn't the best performance I've ever seen, it was a crowd pleaser, not much else.
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:24 AM
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No I just wasn't that impressed either. I think he makes his best statement within Slipknot, as a drummer that is. I can't stand Slipknot, but he's a good drummer. Just that solo isn't the best performance I've ever seen, it was a crowd pleaser, not much else.
You cant stand Slipknot, and that has anything to do with Joey Jordison. They would be glad not to have you as a fan, looking at that ugly head of yours :P!!!

That solo is whatever someone interprets it to be. We all have our dreams and goals, so you really make the decision of whether you like it or not. However, obviously it takes a lot of talent to pull that, and for people that say it doesnt, id like to see you do it!
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:35 AM
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That solo is whatever someone interprets it to be. We all have our dreams and goals, so you really make the decision of whether you like it or not. However, obviously it takes a lot of talent to pull that, and for people that say it doesnt, id like to see you do it!
I'd argue it would take quite a bit of practice to play that solo. Talent would vary that amount of practice, but it's certainly not a prerequisite to play like that. You need talent to be somebody like Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Gadd etc, but if you just want to play genre staples with good power and speed then it's really all just practice.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:03 AM
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Ok.. I have actually dedicated a bit of time recently paying attention to Joey's work.

First off... on the Disasterpieces DVD.. his solo sucked. The reason I say that is... he can play much better than what he did. I agree that it was all just crowd pleasing... especially to those who are not drummers. It was kinda sad to see nothing but double bass, snare/tom rolls and some cymbal crashes. Plus.. it was kind of sloppy. (Granted, he was on a moving drum riser). I have watched that solo atleast 100 times. And, I find myself fast forwarding through it, or... watching the VIP section instead.

Joey is a really great drummer. He backs Slipknot perfectly. Slipknot is not a band for everyone. Some like it, some dont. Personally.. I'm nearing 30 years old, and I love them. I just love music that makes you want to literally jump.

Joey impresses me greatly. He never used to... but.. that was due to my lack of desire to give him due attention previously.

Something that I really enjoy.. is the way Corey (Lead Singer) and Joey play off of eachother in vocal arrangement and beats. Thats pretty killer.

All in all, Joey is a grade A drummer, that IS and WILL BE an influence on the younger generation of drummers. When it comes to thrash/metal... I'm really excited to see the next generation of Joey's that are comming up.

So... if your 555 then I'm................
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:09 AM
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You cant stand Slipknot, and that has anything to do with Joey Jordison. They would be glad not to have you as a fan, looking at that ugly head of yours :P!!!

That solo is whatever someone interprets it to be. We all have our dreams and goals, so you really make the decision of whether you like it or not. However, obviously it takes a lot of talent to pull that, and for people that say it doesnt, id like to see you do it!
We'll leave my face out of this for that. It's a post-modern pose... an anti-pose if you will. Heh.

I can't stand Slipknot, no, but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. That's the difference. I understand that Joey is a good drummer (I would argue he's good, not great, but good). I never said I could do it, but in all honesty that kind of musical 'statement' is literally an exercise in practice. With enough practice, I'm sure quite a lot of people could play it. It's just a matter of sitting there for hours with a pad each day and a double pedal. Speed comes with practice and technique, but making music is an entirely different kettle of fish all together.
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Old 07-25-2006, 02:23 AM
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We'll leave my face out of this for that. It's a post-modern pose... an anti-pose if you will. Heh.

I can't stand Slipknot, no, but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. That's the difference. I understand that Joey is a good drummer (I would argue he's good, not great, but good). I never said I could do it, but in all honesty that kind of musical 'statement' is literally an exercise in practice. With enough practice, I'm sure quite a lot of people could play it. It's just a matter of sitting there for hours with a pad each day and a double pedal. Speed comes with practice and technique, but making music is an entirely different kettle of fish all together.
I dont think it would take him much practice to do that. Everyone has their own style type thing when it comes to a drum solo. I can do one myself thats an asortment of all the techniques that iv learned through my playing. Everyone has something skillful that they play to people when they get on the drums. So what im saying is that Joey's solo is his thing, so therefore it wouldnt be that difficult for him to perform it. However, if he or any player were to try and learne someone elses solo, it would take hours of practice. You are good at what you play.
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Old 07-26-2006, 11:26 AM
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joeys is just a grat drummer...he has his own style and ways of doing things! every drummer is different..im diofferent from other drummers..we all are! we can all do suming tht maybe sum1else cant

my style is built from Joey, traivs smith (trivium), dave lombardo(slayer), deathmetal drummers (they r all pretty similar) justin foley (KSE) Dave pirkis (my teacher)

but joey may of had his own influences etc

so stop wid all the "he is rubbish blah blah" cos hes a talented man whos worked hard 2 get where he is
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I love joey's playing and the solo on disasterpiece... And the solo is just a crowd pleaser? ehh you're on a stage in front of thousands of fans. To please your the crowd is what you get paid for.. the hole point of a concert. So of course its a crowd pleaser. But it also awsome playing:D \m/OoO
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I love joey's playing and the solo on disasterpiece... And the solo is just a crowd pleaser? ehh you're on a stage in front of thousands of fans. To please your the crowd is what you get paid for.. the hole point of a concert. So of course its a crowd pleaser. But it also awsome playing:D \m/OoO
I see Peart in Bonzo in concert in front of maybe more people, and not do stick twirls and tosses. Peart does a few, but the only ones in the solo are at the end [Picturing R-30]. Ive never seen Bonzo flip his stick either. And the whole point of a concert? I think the whole point of the concert is to play music. Just pointing out somethings.


I've never been in to death metal, but I so respect their drummers. I'm really not to crazy on Jordison, but I still think hes got some talent.
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I agree with you.. Off course the hole point of a concert is the music. But a concert with musicians that just stands straigt up an down and playing music is one thing, but a complete different thing is to see a band that gets the crowd going and make an awsome stage show and is still playing the music. Wich is what SlipKnot does.
But Rush and SlipKnot is two different bands and the fans are different too and enjoys different things. To put it in a different way: Toto was playing in Oslo and of course I was there. Steve asked every musicians in the hall to raise there hands. I coudn't see anything but hands. And I think it's the same with Rush. A nine minutt drum solo live is funny for a musician, but not for anyone who's not a musician. The same with Joey's solo, but if he ads a 90 degree drum platform to it I think just about evert fan would go nut. Get my point?
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yes, people call Joeys disasterpieces solo a crowd pleaser, maybe that was the whole point of the solo, sure there must have musicians in the crowd, but the majority would have been just straight up Slipknot fans who would have been going beserk at the fact that Joey was going really fast and he was almost upside down, who wouldn't?
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