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Old 03-03-2007, 01:09 AM
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I present my set: Yamaha beech custom with a maple custom abs. snare. Cymbals are a mix of zildjian A & K. I'm very fond of the setup; simple and functional. No need for dozens of cymbals and toms.

This way I'd like to start a discussion on how you perceive beech wood for drums and what's the best way to tune it.
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:16 AM
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I love that color! That is very close to the color I want to do my custom kit in. Awesome!
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:15 AM
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Very nice kit. I'm not a big fan at all of putting pinstripe heads on high-end drums, and Yamaha does it all the time. I am a Remo guy, so I'd keep the Ambassador reso. heads and my choices for batter would be Ambassador, Controlled Sound or Powerstroke3 heads. I usually tune the reso. head slightly higher in pitch than the batter. I've never owned or played a beech kit, but having had a Yamaha R.C. and currently driving 6ply Ludwig maple I wouldn't expect the beech to be to foreign. Yamaha says it's like a blend of maple and birch.
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:35 AM
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I've had coated ambs and coated G2 on them and the first sounded too open, the second too dull. Probably due to the horrible room it was played in. Pinstripes do fine for me: dark & focused (but not dead).

Would a powerstroke 3 sound the same as a single ply with muffling ring? In that case, the ring deadens the entire sound.

The bassdrum has no internal muffling and with the emad it sounds BIG.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:09 AM
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The P3 has a built in richie ring, and is an Ambassador weight single ply head. The Pinstripe is a 2 ply head with built in internal muffling. Which gives you better tone? That's where personal preference comes into play. When I played Vistalite drums, I used Pinstripes almost exclusively. 25 years worth. But if you tried Ambassador (too live) and G2 (too dead), that would put me into a Controlled Sound head as next option. G2 translates to Emperor (2 ply-7 mil ea.) and Pinstripe is an Emperor head with internal dampening added. But that's all a part of the fun of monkeyin' around with drums. If the Pins work for you, that's really all that matters.

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Old 03-03-2007, 11:27 AM
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The P3 has a built in richie ring, and is an Ambassador weight single ply head. The Pinstripe is a 2 ply head with built in internal muffling.
Yes I know. The question was if a PS3 would muffle as much as a regular ambassador with an O-ring on top. Do PS3 muffle more than emperors / G2? I would say not since it's mid way a 1 & 2 ply. But if you listen to single plies with an external ring on top, it's a dead sound.

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But if you tried Ambassador (too live) and G2 (too dead), that would put me into a Controlled Sound head as next option.
Ive had CS on my Vistas and didn't like it. By reinforcing the center you don't kill the ring which comes from the hoops. No dots for me anymore. When I replaced it by pinstripes, it sounded darker and rounder.

I think it's the coating which made the attack of G2 so dull. A clear G2 would have been a better balance of focus... hence the pinstripes. Either that or a coated 1.5 ply (= powerstroke 3).
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:21 PM
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The purple looks really nice in contrast with the cymbals and i have a crush on your snare.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:32 PM
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Nice set of Yammies, MadJazz. I love that color. The beech grain really shows through. What size is that rack tom left of the bass? 13"? I ask beacuse I'm changing my setup to fly my toms off the Yamaha double tom hanger. And, one of my toms will be a 13". Again, nice kit.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:49 PM
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Great looking kit , the Beech sound is great , but i love the Birch , your snare drum is a great snare and the finish is amazing . i love Yamaha , the sound is so clean and they are so easy to tune . the hardware are best you can find , and the prices are not too high .
nothing like Yamaha !!!!
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Old 03-03-2007, 06:44 PM
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i'd tap that, maybe even bang it.
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Old 03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
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The question was if a PS3 would muffle as much as a regular ambassador with an O-ring on top. Do PS3 muffle more than emperors / G2? I would say not since it's mid way a 1 & 2 ply. But if you listen to single plies with an external ring on top, it's a dead sound.
Honestly, I've never experimented with store bought or homemade richie rings much. As far as an Ambassador with an O-ring on top, I guess than would depend on who's O-ring. I think the P3 muffles less than the Emperor, and certainly less than the Pin. But I wouldn't call the sound dead. More alive than either of the 2 ply heads. Maybe that's just me, my drums, and my tuning.
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Ive had CS on my Vistas and didn't like it. By reinforcing the center you don't kill the ring which comes from the hoops. No dots for me anymore. When I replaced it by pinstripes, it sounded darker and rounder.
If you're refering to Vistalites also, yes. Acrylic shells are very live, and I loved the Pins on mine.

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I think it's the coating which made the attack of G2 so dull. A clear G2 would have been a better balance of focus... hence the pinstripes. Either that or a coated 1.5 ply (= powerstroke 3).
I pretty much use clear heads batter, except on my snare.
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Old 03-04-2007, 01:14 PM
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Great looking kit , the Beech sound is great , but i love the Birch , your snare drum is a great snare and the finish is amazing . i love Yamaha , the sound is so clean and they are so easy to tune . the hardware are best you can find , and the prices are not too high .
nothing like Yamaha !!!!
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No odd sized toms. Sizes are:

10x9 used as a timbale
12x10
14x16
16x14

22x16 emad with no internal muffling, though I should paste the foam ring cos it falls out during playing

14x5.5 great low end but the die cast hoops ring out
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:56 AM
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This way I'd like to start a discussion on how you perceive beech wood for drums and what's the best way to tune it.[/quote]

Nice kit. Beech wood has maple warmth/sustain and Birch attack.
I don't get caught in the (maple/birch) hype I just go with what sounds amazing and these drums do sound amazing. I know first hand. I Just picked up the same kit in 10, 12, 14, 22and 14" matching snare. I've played Pearl solid birch all my life but I have to say Yamaha forever! price wise, quality wise everything wise you can't beat them.!
I haven't cleaned them up yet, but the guy I bought them from tuned lowlow-med, batter and reso have the same pitch, you may want to slightly tune the reso higher like just barely past this point for less sustain if you feel it is too much (but not necessary) but man it doesn't take much to make this kit sing what a sound!
There are coated emperor batters throughout (except BD PS3.) including snare (I'm not liking the emperor on the beech snare, an ambassador would give it a more open sound) and original Yamaha/remo reso's. The emperor's are not that old probably a couple of years but the reso's are the original so say at least 5+ years, so the sound can only get better from here.
Anyone in the market for a drum kit you have to at least try these before you buy, you have nothing to lose but everything to gain. I imagine there's a price difference between maple and beech. Leaves you more cash for better h/ware and cymbals. Oh by the way the bassdrum sounds terrific and of course so do the toms.
Enjoy them MJ
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Old 01-20-2008, 12:23 PM
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beautiful kit. and its a YAMAHA! perfect. No, never played Beech, but the few drummers I know who have love it.
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Old 01-20-2008, 12:52 PM
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Beautiful kit!

I used to have a beech kit in pear yellow.. the toms were a bit touchy about tuning, but the kick is the best I've ever owned.. soft or loud.. it absolutely smoked..

Gotta love Yammies :-D
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Old 01-20-2008, 06:46 PM
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NICE NICE NICE! I love woodgrains, especially in non-wood colors. Wicked snare too!
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Old 01-20-2008, 07:12 PM
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Really like the 1 up 2 down and the snare. Nice placement of cymbals.
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Old 01-21-2008, 11:53 AM
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i am in love.
the colour, the wood, the cymbals, i love it all.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:44 AM
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Here are some pics of my new (used) Yamaha Beech Custom's in Blueberry finish, these are the seller's pictures.
The guy's wife is a photographer. 10, 12, 14, 22, 14"snare
I picked them up for $700. they are mint condition and sound amazing. The guy who sold them to me bought a set of Yamaha RC's. He was sad to see them go and I don't blame him.
double braced floor tom stand was also included and obviously the tom mount for the bassdrum.

What do you think? Deal or No Deal
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:25 AM
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Here are some pics of my new (used)

What do you think? Deal or No Deal
They certainly look brand new, and yes all deals regarding high -end YAMAHAs are good deals
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