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Old 03-18-2006, 07:26 PM
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hrmm.. Avenged Sevenfold. personally, i love these guys. guitarists do a great job playing in their songs, interesting, staying in key, harmonizing riffs. the singer has a very unique voice and stays in key. the drumming is very creative and very technical while still fitting to the music. I saw these guys live.. and i do have a complaint. while his drumming is spectacular, he barely hits his drums, like tapping at some points. at some points you couldnt even here some of the drums, expecially the snare. and his snare drum sounds the same live too, im not a big fan of it. and if you look in modern drummer at the pacific drum ads with him in it, he is holding the stick between his fingers, he actually plays like that alot live, he does excessive stick twirling, which is the reason for the weird grip on the stick. but you gotta hand it to these guys, fact is they are good musicians that create good music, just not to everyones preferences.
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Old 03-18-2006, 08:19 PM
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i must first say that i hate avenged sevenfold, really not my thing.

however, i have a lot of respect for them because they are extremely good musicians

AND i think that the reverand is absolutely awsome
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Old 03-18-2006, 08:31 PM
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Are we listening to the same tune Stu? Bat Country? Good God man, if you thought the DW snare sound was bitchin' in the "baby drummer" thread, how can you like this snare sound?

Actually I was just going off the whole album. I personally think Bat Country isn't the best song on there (but I do see why it was the main single).

Listening to it again (bat country, actually all the songs sound like the same snare), yeah, I like it a lot. It has a nice dry woody sound too it. The only snare sounds I really don't like are those high pitched twangy snares (the piccolo's). Or like a lot of the R&B guys who tune their snares so high it chokes all the tone out of it and all you get is CRACK CRACK CRACK CRACK sound.

I like the Revs snare because it has beef. Of course it loses the nice snare response, but who cares. He just smashing the hell out of it anyway! Most of that sound is probably from Protools anyway. It sounds heavily engineered, since I've never heard a snare sound that way naturally.
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Old 03-18-2006, 09:47 PM
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I especially love the song "Sidewinder".
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:46 PM
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I especially love the song "Sidewinder".
Yes Sidewinder, Wicked end and Betrayed are my favs.
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:06 PM
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That's it. I think I'm going to buy "Waking The Fallen" tomorrow so I can finally hear what all this hype is about.
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Old 03-22-2006, 04:30 AM
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i enjoy listenin to the guy, I think hes really good. He prolly doesnt have that many videos anyway of him just drumming tho. i like all his snare and double bass work, and i think he has great fills
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Old 03-22-2006, 05:36 AM
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I don't listen to much avenged, but this guy does seem good. From the videos they're whole band is incredible at what they play. But then again I haven't researched hundreds of drummers so I ca't really compare him to much, but he's obviously talented.
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Old 03-23-2006, 07:05 AM
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he's fast, technical, and something rarely found in metal drummers...tasteful, he' doesn't overplay the music. i'm not all that into metal, but i'll admit it, i have all 3 avenged sevenfold cd's on my ipod. this guy is a good drummer, and i think he deserves to be put on the site.
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Old 03-23-2006, 07:12 AM
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Hey guys, just another reminder that the purpose of this topic is to talk about drummers, and each thread is to talk about a specific drummer. Not to insult each other, not to say how much better someone else is, and not to bash or troll. Posts that need to be deleted will be, and "repeat offenders" will be escorted to the door. Thanks.
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Old 03-24-2006, 08:22 AM
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1. there is no site who respects you more
2. there are many rules everywhere, but we have only one: don't bash drummers for their playing, even when you think you're better
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Old 03-25-2006, 05:55 AM
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A-Men Bernhard

It is amazing to me to read post about other drummers on sites. It is no wonder very few log in and share info with us. When in rare cases they do join in the tune changes and everyone who threw rocks is now flowering them with "your the best" posts after banging on them.

These guys allow this site to post their vid's and clinic stuff that is a tremendous help to all of even though there are some that act like idiots.

The Rev is a kid who has spent time mastering what he does. To some it may seem basic but he does it in time and clean. Look at all the posts on DB, hand speed and it is obvious that this kid has put in the time, practice, and hard work to get to this level.

You are right he is no Gadd, Smith, Rich, or Lang to name a few but neither we they at his age. Rev if you ever log on props kid (yeah kid i am 42) for your dedication and effort it shows in your playing. I like what you do only at my age you won't see me in the front row with my lip stapled to my eye-brow, but I will listen on my Ipod.
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Old 03-25-2006, 06:25 AM
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The Rev seems like one of those drummers you hear that sound like they could bust out some really kool technical stuff if you went to there house and listened to them practicing, and messing around. Think about it, do you bust out all your sweetest technical fills and odd time beats? Probably not unless the style of music you play requires it, and even if it dose you probably don't play to the LIMIT of your abilities, well not live anyways. It's not like he's going all out on there Cd's, he's playing what he feels fits in best and what not. I recall a interview of him talking about the drumming on "City of Evil", how he doesnt care if it impresses everyone or not, just if his band likes it.

This goes for a lot of drummers i hear, and people seem to judge there skills just based on a cd, which i think is a bit far-fetched. Just my 2 cents tho!
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Old 03-27-2006, 05:55 AM
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I find "The Reverand's" drumming to be a little repetitive; I feel the same way about Avenged Sevenfold's songs. I can tell that "The Reverand" is a pretty talented musician, but I cannot really understand what it is that makes everyone feel he is so amazing. I have heard many better drummers of the same style, so really, what is the "X" factor that makes "The Reverand" so great? Your thoughts?

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Old 03-28-2006, 12:51 AM
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Yes there are many drummers in genre of music that are just as good or better. I think the "X" factor for me would be his style for lack of a better word. You know he has awsum chops, but he doesnt bust them out every fill, he spends time thinking what would fit best and what would compliment the other instruments, he knows when to play and when not to i guess you could say. I also think you can tell hes holding back in his playing, which is mature and not often a strong point in his genre.

It's kinda of funny, you hear all these metal drummers that show great chops, and have great independence over their limbs, but they don't inspire as many people to start playing as the Rev dose. I believe it's because when he dose decide to display his chops, it has more of a shock value then these other guys do, simply because he doesnt do it every song. (I'm not saying all other metal drummers only play fast repetitive fills either) So i guess in conclusion he's just very tasteful player that plays for the music and not just himself. IMO :)
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Old 03-28-2006, 12:59 AM
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I see..............Personally, I think his fills are ok, but just ok. I'm still waiting for the song where "The Reverand" can bare all his skill, so as to really impress his fans (thought that does not include me). Dave Lombardo shocked his fans with the Slayer song "Silent Scream"; at the time, no one had gone over 200bpm for the sheer amount of time Lombardo did in that song. I think it is a skill when a drummer can create great fills out of nowhere, and can make them interesting. One thing I don't understand is that, if the guitarists don't hold back, why should "The Reverand" ? The drums are just as audible as the guitars and vocals (the bass is the only instrument that cannot be heard very clearly), so I think he should let loose.

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Old 03-28-2006, 01:51 AM
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Well, he plays a drum solo at most of their shows, but that would be mostly crowd pleaser stuff. He recorded "Waking The Fallen" in 2 weeks, and "Sounding The Seventh Trumpet" the band recoded without a click. I recall a interview of the Rev saying almost all of "Waking the fallen" was made on the spot, they only had general ideas of the songs and he just threw in whatever and it turned out pretty good!

Personally i never got the hype with Lombardo. Though i've only listen to a few of Slayers songs and have only herd his clip on drummerworld which was ok, but it didn't me give the "aw" reaction i was expecting. He's still a great drummer tho, just not the kind im into.
I'm more of a Benny Grebb kinda guy.

Just wanted to add, i don't think his fills are amazing or blazing fast, just tasteful!
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Old 03-28-2006, 04:15 AM
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Listen to "War Ensemble" or anything off of Seasons in the Abyss. Lombardo's drumming is ridiculously fast, and very creative; trust me, if there is one respected metal drummer, it is Dave Lombardo.

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Old 03-28-2006, 04:38 AM
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I just listened to "War Ensemble" Hmm, I'm sorry but i still don't get it. It wasn't that fast really... i can think of an Avenged Sevenfold songs just as fast with the same amount of chops off the top of my head.Checl out "Darkness Surrounding"(recorded without click) has pretty kool breakdown on the drums about 1:30 into it and "Remissions" and "Eternal Rest" are just as quick. Again i don't think this is amazing drumming, but it's just as good as "War Ensemble".

I don't want this to turn into "my band is better then yours" kinda thing, I'm just telling ya what I think.

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Old 03-28-2006, 07:09 AM
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Listen to "War Ensemble" or anything off of Seasons in the Abyss. Lombardo's drumming is ridiculously fast, and very creative; trust me, if there is one respected metal drummer, it is Dave Lombardo.

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right on man, Dave Lombardo is the best metal drummer that i've heard, and guess what.....SLAYER IS COMING TO VANCOUVER JULY 13TH!!! So if im not in Europe, i'll be seeing Dave Lombardo and the greatest metal band! As for The Reverand, i don't mind his drumming, he is alright but i hate his snare sound. That has nothing to do with his drumming, but he is good, are people considering him a metal drummer though???
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Old 03-28-2006, 07:11 AM
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I like Beast and the Harlot though, a real catchy tune.
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:12 AM
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ahhhh yes, I see this thread and I'm finally convinced to actually make an account and make my own post, instead of just reading posts by everyone else.

Whatever the case, I need to start by admitting I'm a bit biased because I absolutely love A7X's music. However, if the drumming wasn't tasteful, I would absolutely hate it. As a musician in a band, he fits his drumming into the song VERY well instead of trying to show off his amazing skill. Which he still does a fairly decent job of anyways. A7X's songs are very well put together, something I can only HOPE to pull off someday in the future, which is still highly unlikely. They are all very skilled at what they do.

I'm listening to a live version of "Beast and the Harlot" right now. I've seen many amazing drum solos, videos, etc (my favorite is still benny greb's montreal one :D ) yet this still impresses me. And now that I've said all this, I must admit I'm not a huge fan of songs with very random beats. I prefer my songs to be catchy, instead of trying to show off technique and losing certain parts of musicianship (imho). My 2 cents.

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Old 04-03-2006, 03:52 AM
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Stu I don't think his snare is that engineered. I've gotten a similar sound by cranking up a Remo Renaissance head on my old yamah Power V steel snare and a RemO on top of it. Not the EXACT sound, but pretty close.

I'm not saying that Rev secretley uses Yamaha snares and RemOs, I'm just saying that that "beefy" sound can be achieved without ProTools.
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Old 04-23-2006, 04:04 AM
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Default I believe someone asked for the band memebers real names..

For those who asked about the members of Avenged Sevenfold's real names, I apologise in advance if someone already posted them... but here they are..
M.Shadows (Vocals) - Matthew Sanders
Synyster Gates (Lead Guitar) - Brian Haner, Jr.
Zachy Vengeance (Rhythm Guitar) - Zachary Baker
Johnny Christ (Bassist) - Johnathan Seward
The Reverend (Drums) - James Sullivan
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Old 04-24-2006, 03:38 AM
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He is definatly one of the best drummers right now and every 1 in avenged sevefold is really good...they are just an awesome band
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:19 PM
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I am not sure if anyone has replied to the "what is his name" question, but if you dont know yet, The revs name is Jimmy Sullivan.
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Old 05-12-2006, 10:57 PM
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I do agree he's really good, and A7X just happens to be my favourite band. I wouldn't says hes the best, but he has awsum chops for sure; listen ot beast and the Harlout and about 3/4 through you and ull hear his fast hands and in Blinded in chains about 2:50 through he shows off a bit of the rudiments he can play with his feet.

I mainly like the Rev cause hes fills just fit so nicely into the songs, it ither compliments the guitar, bass or the vocals. The Rev also sings harmony while he plays, and doing that in A7X's songs wouldn't be easy.

He's not the best but i think one of the most tasteful, and i also believe he dosent show all his talent in his songs, he could probably bust out a crazy solo if he wanted.
Listen to it about 30 seconds into the song too. The whole thing is amazing.
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I think his bass drum doesnt sound THAT great. The Snare is great and his ride cymbal!!!! WOW!
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:53 AM
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Tambian, dude, though I don't particularly like this band (I really dislike M. Shadow's sense of melody - seriously, all his tunes are ripped off, and when they aren't they're just directionless), you can hardly deny that 'the rev' is a bit special.

Absolutely watertight playing, extremely fast (so what if he wasn't the first to go over 200bpm; Thomas Lang wasn't the first to use 4 way independance - does that mean he's not any good at it!!?), very creative, I'd argue, actually playing patterns on the db, instead of mindless blasting.

I still think Blake Richardson is extremely good also, but, asides from that neat carribean-sounding groove on 'Laser Speed', he doesn't stike me as displaying any obvious jazz, or latin chops, and why should he? Blending genres can be, I think, a somewhat lazy way of trying to be creative. Making a fusion of jazz, metal, african, country, folk, krautrock, celtic, electronica may be original, but would probably sound pretty crap.

It's actually harder to be creative WITHIN your genre (in this case, metal/hard rock) than to cut and paste stereotypical patterns from other genres onto your songs. If you see what I mean, I think it's better to invent a nice groove in a rock song than to borrow a pre-existing groove from a genre other than rock for use in a rock song.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:59 AM
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Default avenged sevenfold

ive been listening to them lately and i really think they have got loads of talent ...they have great guitar/drum solos and well im no good at righting reviews or anything but or describing how good bands are and such so its best u listen to them instead of take my word for it.
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Old 05-23-2006, 05:50 AM
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I think they're kind of over-rated. They're definately talented, but I've heard people call thier guitarists the next vai and I laughed. They write some pretty good pop-metal songs, that are fun to sing. They're drummer has some pretty good chops, but it's metal drumming so most of it just sounds like really fast rolls, althought he does have a few cool blurta licks. They have this one song that goes into an acoustic latin jam at the end, I thought that was neat, and at the same time gimmicky. But still fun. They're alright I guess is what I've so elaborately conveyed.
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No way are A7X overated! Anyway, I bought Avenged's "City Of Evil" bout month ago and it hasn't left my CD player since. The Reverend does a great job, especially on "Blinde in cahins" where he plays a fill on the snare and mimicks it on the double bass, I'm not saying that I'm amazed about what a super tecnical drummer he is cause he's not really, (but still more technically advanced than Lars Ulrich, but tha's another story), but it's a good effect and he suits A7X down to the ground. Yeah, I think Avenged are really good, I wouldn't call them Pop Metal either, it's metal, just don't know exactly what type. meh.
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Old 05-23-2006, 09:08 PM
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i think they are alright, kinda have a different sound then you hear on mtv nowadays, but their drummer def has talent, hes got some pretty nice chops. i like the sound of his drums..
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Old 06-01-2006, 06:48 AM
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I think The Rev is a very under-rated drummer. I must disagree that he is sloppy. I would like to suggest listening to the drum solo in Beast and the Harlot and listen to his rapid drumming in the song Darkness Surrounding. He ties the fast beat of the snare with the double bass very smoothly and he should be recognized by the rapid beat of his snare during their songs, especially Darkness Surrounding.
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ya seriously johnny christ(the rev) is amzin he def should be on this site
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:27 PM
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ya seriously johnny christ(the rev) is amzin he def should be on this site
What's his name???

You say Johnny Christ?

I have the name Tholomew Plague in my books.

Or did they change often??

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ya seriously johnny christ(the rev) is amzin he def should be on this site
actually its jimmy sullivan
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Isn't Johnny Christ the stage name of their bassist?
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Anyway: I happen to think the Reverand is just another Hardcore drummer. I don't feel he has brought anything new to the genre, and I don't think he is that good at hardcore drumming. He doesn't display any knowledge of other types of drumming (like jazz). Plus I think Avenged Sevenfold is the most ridiculous band in existance (who would give themselves stage names like that?)

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This is the stupidest comment I've seen on this forum. He brings great fills with uniqueness and flare to genre not just constant buzz rolls down the line. And who says you have to know about jazz to be a good hardcore drummer. Roy Haynes is one of the best jazz players out there and i don't see him busting out 32nd note double bass beats, because he plays JAZZ not hardcore. The Rev plays whats good for the genre which most of the time doesn't have anything to do with jazz.
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Old 06-06-2006, 08:21 PM
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I wanna know where some of you guys saw A7X live, because when I saw them, The Rev didn't even bust out 15-20% of what is on the albums. He simplified all the fills and beats.
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