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Old 02-24-2007, 04:11 AM
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I gotta say that i like the wrap a little better, nothing against natural finishes.. i happen to have one.. its allot darker though.
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:51 AM
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I love natural finishes, but that wrap just strikes me and holds my attention. I think it contrasts a lot better than the 'naked' natural. I think that's also my problem with very light natural finishes- not enough contrast. I like to use a medium (think walnut or chestnut) semi-transparent stain that really pulls the grain textures out (heavily depends on what the wood grain looks like to begin with), and the varnish I like to use only helps in that regard.

Can't wait to see the finished kit.
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:52 AM
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I'll post some pics tomm. morning....of the finished product......

The beauty of it is I can always wrap later.........
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:16 AM
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looks good, both ways... i can't decide which way i like more. i want to build my own kit, i've got nearly everything figured out except for the money (of course)
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:31 PM
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Hey Larlev,

Did you finish or what? Whats taking so long? It's 10:27 a.m. chicago time!

Where's the pictures ! let's go! You said tommorrow morning, that was yesterday, so today is tomorrow, if it was still yesterday!

you know what I meen! just can't waite to see the finished product!
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:41 PM
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I decided to do one more coat of tung......every coat I put on looks better and better....
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Old 02-24-2007, 07:57 PM
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copy that!............................20;]
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:46 AM
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larry -- that is KICK ASS!!! way to go. Personally i love the wrap -- i like wraps. I am dying for you to make a tutorial of how to effectively install a wrap because i think i am going to be doing this on my starclassic with in the next 4 weeks.

i like your lugs... i think they look great -- dont let anyone turn you off. My DW has no problem resonating.

Cant wait to see more pics!!!!!
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:12 AM
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Thanks Bro....I appreciate it

This finish is way more time consuming than I expected....I'll see what I can do on the wrap tutorial...You can handle the wrap no problem...I still haven't decided if the natural finish is what I want...I've put on 10 coats of high gloss tung

That tangerine glass was really sharp in person..the pics didn't do it justice...
I figure the entire wrap job will be around $400....
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:15 AM
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I figure the entire wrap job will be around $400....
$400 -- ouch!!!

what does that include? how big is your kit? I want to wrap my tama -- fusion sizes (toms and 22" kick only). What do you think that would set me back?
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:27 AM
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You have 2 options....you can get the wrap pre-cut from jamminsam.....or you can order sheets from drumfoundry, drummaker...each 24"x54" sheet is $90 roughly."(smaller sheets less of course)...and cut it yourself....I think they will cut it for you, but that obviously adds to the cost.

The $400 is for a 10", 12", 16", and 22"

Drumfoundry offers a really good adhesive already built into the wrap....the entire wrap will have adhesive

Jamminsam only puts adhesive on the 2 ends...a lighter strip and a highbond strip..it works well however

It comes down to what you want in the future with the Tama......jamminsam's stuff would be easier to remove later, without destroying the finish.

Your champagne sparkle is the most expensive of all the wraps....

Just a tip leave yourself a good 1/4" from the edges when you cut it.....if it's too close the heads won't fit right over the overlap...
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:34 AM
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yeah i had seen how expensive the champagne sparkle wrap is -- like twice as much as the other sparkles. I guess it truly deserves its name :)

sounds like drum foundry is the way to go. I just got to plan out how many sheets i will need to cover all my drums. So you went through jamminsam i take it?
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yeah i had seen how expensive the champagne sparkle wrap is -- like twice as much as the other sparkles. I guess it truly deserves its name :)

sounds like drum foundry is the way to go. I just got to plan out how many sheets i will need to cover all my drums. So you went through jamminsam i take it?
I did both...the wrap in the pic..is from jamminsam...I also bought a sheet from drummaker with no adhesive applied and cut to fit...I obviously didn't apply any of this wrap yet...

shell diameter x 3.14 will give you your inch requirement.....a full sheet of 24"x54" will wrap up to a 16" with one piece...bass drums require 2 pieces
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:48 PM
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completed 10" today.....turned out pretty good

I included a before and after shot for comparison
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:01 PM
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completed 10" today.....turned out pretty good

I included a before and after shot for comparison
looks really really good larry. although i am still a fan of the wrap -- there's just something about a sparkle wrap...
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:04 PM
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I haven't ruled out the wrap...LOL

I just wanted to see if I could pull this finishing thing off......

Man these shells are really thin....4mm....this thing sounds incredible
I put emperor/amb clears on....great tone
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:09 PM
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Say no to the wrap! That finish is beautiful, and you can actually see the instrument itself, and what it's made of - you remember in the '80s when people used to go out on stage with bright blue acoustic guitars with strat shaped cutaways? You don't see that much anymore! You don't see many people with a tangerine sparkle wrap on their violins either. But drummers still do the equivalent.
(YES - I'm stretching the example, and exaggerating for effect, but I think you see where I'm going)
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:20 PM
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Both look great.

How hard of a project is this???

I am thinking of attempting this, but I have almost no handyman skills at all!

Is it really easy?

I like like both of them, but prefer the wrap. But, I am not a huge fan of natural wood kits. That color looks better on furnature than a kit in my opinion.

However, like I said, for a natural color, you did awesome!
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:30 PM
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Both look great.

How hard of a project is this???

I am thinking of attempting this, but I have almost no handyman skills at all!

Is it really easy?

I like like both of them, but prefer the wrap. But, I am not a huge fan of natural wood kits. That color looks better on furnature than a kit in my opinion.

However, like I said, for a natural color, you did awesome!
You should definetly try it......measure 20 times and drill....the finish is time consuming, but easy...installing the wrap was a little more difficult...but isn't that bad...

Drumfoundry makes a layout mat....it is something you have to get..makes layout a no-brainer

I am spending roughly $900 for all the shells, lugs..etc. You can save big $$$$ by doing this and really have a great sounding kit


This little 10" absolutely sounds bad***.....I can't wait for my other shells to arrive....
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:37 PM
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You should definetly try it......measure 20 times and drill....the finish is time consuming, but easy...installing the wrap was a little more difficult...but isn't that bad...

Drumfoundry makes a layout mat....it is something you have to get..makes layout a no-brainer

I am spending roughly $900 for all the shells, lugs..etc. You can save big $$$$ by doing this and really have a great sounding kit


This little 10" absolutely sounds bad***.....I can't wait for my other shells to arrive....
i wonder how an acrylic kit would be do to yourself? I have really no interest in making my own wood kit right now -- but i cant get an acrylic kit off my mind. I wonder if the nature of acrylic would make it hard to drill -- would i need special tools?

i may have to research.
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How much do you think it would cost to do just a snaredrum, oiled or stained, no wrap?

and what price would you be assuming to buy the shell in that answer?
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:43 PM
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i wonder how an acrylic kit would be do to yourself? I have really no interest in making my own wood kit right now -- but i cant get an acrylic kit off my mind. I wonder if the nature of acrylic would make it hard to drill -- would i need special tools?

i may have to research.
I don't think it is any different....I have read that you just have to be careful with overtightening the lugs...so it won't crack

I drilled small pilot holes..then worked up to the size I needed...wasn't hard at all

I'll let you know though, I am ordering an acrylic snare shell soon....
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How much do you think it would cost to do just a snaredrum, oiled or stained, no wrap?

and what price would you be assuming to buy the shell in that answer?
It really depends on size, cast vs. flanged hoops, strainer choice..etc.

I haven't priced any snare stuff....except for the acrylic...which was $105 for a 14x6.5"(just the shell)

Check out drumfoundry.com....you can gather all the pricing you will need
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:24 PM
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It's costing me around $900......all keller shells......not bad if you ask me....
I'm starting a project soo, couple of toms and a snare and could use some advice:

Did you finish the inside of the shell or did you leave it bare wood?
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I'm starting a project soo, couple of toms and a snare and could use some advice:

Did you finish the inside of the shell or did you leave it bare wood?
I applied 1 coat of tung oil....then lightly sanded with 0000 steel wool
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:31 PM
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Drilled holes and mounted hardware yesterday....wrap still not shipped

kinda a DW look alike.....sounds incredible though...I am questioning my lug choice..

looks good natural, might change my mind on the wrap

A very fun project to do..I would recommend everyone trying it...really is easier than you think

The 12",16", and 22x20 next week

****wrap installed******
What is the actual wrap color of this?? It looks almost red.

Just beautiful. What company did you buy this wrap from?

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Old 02-26-2007, 09:08 PM
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It's called Tangerine glass glitter....
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Very nice! it's really cool to do something like that and you should be proud of the job you have done. I like the wrap. Great job!!
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Old 02-26-2007, 11:28 PM
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Excelent Job bro!
Looks really cool! and yes, it does loo like a DW ;)
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Drumfoundry makes a layout mat....it is something you have to get..makes layout a no-brainer
i've looked at that, and thought the price was a bit high, so i looked around some...
http://www.cakesnthings.com/scripts/...idproduct=2418
not exactly where you'd expect to find a tool for drum building, and only goes up to 20" (all i need anyway), but its a considerably cheaper alternative

as for the drums, i think i prefer the wrap... i'm not normally a glitter fan, but i have to say it looks killer
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I saw the cake layout mat.....it will work just fine
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Thanks Bro....I appreciate it

This finish is way more time consuming than I expected....I'll see what I can do on the wrap tutorial...You can handle the wrap no problem...I still haven't decided if the natural finish is what I want...I've put on 10 coats of high gloss tung

That tangerine glass was really sharp in person..the pics didn't do it justice...
I figure the entire wrap job will be around $400....
How much time did you wait between coats? How long did each coat take.

I am probably going to attempt to build a set. If I use the tung oil, I would save a fortune I think. Plus, with one wrapped set already, I guess it would be an alternative.

I would probably buy just one tom initially and see if I really am capable and patient enough to do this. Do you see any problem with doing one drum at a time. Probably try to buy one or two a month.

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Old 03-16-2007, 02:59 AM
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::sigh:: Looks like I've got a new interest to check into. I'm thinking about doing up a snare drum from drumfoundry. Tube lugs, etc... Probably run close to 300 bucks by the time I'm done. (That's without the cast hoops lol)

I do have an edge on the finish since I work at a car dealership. I'm thinking about using a water based stain and then going with an automotive clear coat to protect the drum. I could go nuts with the paint colors too if I wanted to actually paint the shell.. hrmm....

In any case.. nice work! I've got my cart saved at Drum Foundry and I'm just debating pulling the trigger.
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::sigh:: Looks like I've got a new interest to check into. I'm thinking about doing up a snare drum from drumfoundry. Tube lugs, etc... Probably run close to 300 bucks by the time I'm done. (That's without the cast hoops lol)

I do have an edge on the finish since I work at a car dealership. I'm thinking about using a water based stain and then going with an automotive clear coat to protect the drum. I could go nuts with the paint colors too if I wanted to actually paint the shell.. hrmm....

In any case.. nice work! I've got my cart saved at Drum Foundry and I'm just debating pulling the trigger.
do it now........LOL
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How much time did you wait between coats? How long did each coat take.

I am probably going to attempt to build a set. If I use the tung oil, I would save a fortune I think. Plus, with one wrapped set already, I guess it would be an alternative.

I would probably buy just one tom initially and see if I really am capable and patient enough to do this. Do you see any problem with doing one drum at a time. Probably try to buy one or two a month.

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Sorry Bro....I didn't see your post..... I waited about 3-4 hours between the first coats....coats 8-10 I waited a full 24....I started with 1 tom, I would actually recommend this. Your only out $100 or so if you don't like it.

Go for it...it is really easy....If you need help let me know, I have read just about every post regarding this stuff....ghostnote and drumshed have some good info

Enjoy it.....I couldn't be happier with the results so far
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Old 03-16-2007, 03:30 AM
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I'm probably going to... Forgot I had that goofy lug guide in the shopping cart for $30 still. Incidentally the cake one is 8.99 on Wilton.com so that's the way I'm going to go there.

One thing I know I'm going to do is make a jig for drilling the lugs. Since I'm using tube lugs I'll have 2 holes for each one to drill. Going to take some metal stock and drill the holes there so I can be sure I get it right each time. This is assuming of course that I get the jig made correctly.... But that will make life MUCH easier when it comes drilling time.

The question is.. do I finish the drums before or after drilling. I can see benefits to both but I guess drilling through clear coat adds a bit of excitement since you don't want to mess it up.

I'm trying to think of an easy way to make their little square jig so I don't have to spend $60-70 on it. The way it sits on the drum makes it very convenient. Guess I could just get a metal ruler and cut a line down the center of it and mount it to a block of wood. Again I'd just have to be really darn sure of my cutting so the jig stays true. Either way I'm all about making some tools to make the job easier and less likely to go wrong. :)
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Old 03-16-2007, 03:42 AM
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I finished mine after drilling.....

As far as the lug jig....I just used a $7 t-square...worked just fine...the key is to measure 10-20 times before you drill

The layout mat...whichever you buy, is a must....makes it a no-brainer

You won't need a drilling jig if you get the right drill bits.....
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Looks really Cool. The finish looks amazing. I wish i could build one myself, but i would like to find a complete guide that explains every aspect step by step, and that drum maker forum doesnt cut it for me. W/e ill find somthing.

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Oh I agree the right bits are a must but if you get a metal jig made up you won't have to be AS paranoid about drilling because you know it'll be the same every time around. The chances of making a mistake are greatly reduced by having it. Given... for just one drum it's not THAT big of deal but I bet it'll still make it easier.

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Looks really Cool. The finish looks amazing. I wish i could build one myself, but i would like to find a complete guide that explains every aspect step by step, and that drum maker forum doesnt cut it for me. W/e ill find somthing.

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Dude...I would help you 100%....
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