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Old 08-20-2011, 08:08 AM
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Have they lifted their game recently or was that a one-off?
Much conjecture regarding the "durability" of Remo heads on this forum Pol. None of it seems to have appeared in this (resurrected) thread, but I'm sure it will. For a while there I was convinced that Remo sent all the good heads downunder and left the junk for the Yanks, they were getting such a bad wrap.

I've been using them forever and can't say I've noticed premature wear on the coating in that whole time. Coating comes off all heads.....eventually.....including Evans. But guys here were talking as if they didn't last 5 minutes. I've just never noticed that to be the case. Perhaps they just dropped the ball for the 4 or 5 years I had away from it and recovered in time for my illustrious return? :-)


As for the thread. Remo for me. I'll happily use Evans anytime. They make fine drum heads (although I can certainly hear slight variations between like heads offered by the two brands. i.e An Emporer and a G2). I've leant on them before and I'm sure I will again.....but this creature of habit knows what he prefers and Remo happen to be it.
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:40 PM
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For a while there I was convinced that Remo sent all the good heads downunder and left the junk for the Yanks, they were getting such a bad wrap.

I've been using them forever and can't say I've noticed premature wear on the coating in that whole time. Coating comes off all heads.....eventually.....including Evans. But guys here were talking as if they didn't last 5 minutes.
I never had probs with Remo when I was playing rock but I had issues with an Ambassador a couple of years ago with my current band band.

I use brushes a fair bit and the coating with uneven, with bits sticking up and catching the brush. Then the coating wore down so fast I was amazed. After that I bought an Evans for the first time and the coating was great, although like others here I found it had a tad less tone than a Remo in its sweet spot period. When it eventually lost tone I bought an Aquarian, which had the durability of the Evans and tone more like a Remo.

Now that the Aquarian is past its prime I've bought another Remo. The coating on the new head seems more consistent and solid like the other two brands. I'll put it on this week and see how it rolls next practice.
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Old 08-22-2011, 12:53 AM
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Remo and Evans both use the same film, made by DuPont. I always wondered about that, and Rick (the president of Evans) confirmed it. They do sound different though. If you pinned me down I'd say that Remo is the dryer sounding head, by a small margin.
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Mylar is a trade name for Dupont and the answer to your question is it depends on the type of head. There are actually a few different manufacturers of polyester film and Dupont is a source for some of the heads for Remo and Evans.
Both companies make different drumheads and while there may be some similarities in film use between us, not everything is the same.
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Hey... I thought you were using Aquarian super 2 heads and very happy with them? Curious if you had a change of heart?
PeteN, yes I am using super 2's and yes I am very happy with them. Heres the thing, a) I'm not endorsed b) I have a mortgage and a job c) when I'm in the market for heads I try to stretch my dollar by getting the best sounding long lasting heads on the market;
There are a couple of things I look at when I purchase heads. First off and I give these the same amount of weight. Durability, response and tone are at the top of my list. Ergo the Aquarian Super 2's. Double ply 5mil + 7mil, nice stick response and a very nice tone to them. I like them better than G2's/emp's mostly becase of the response.

Now, there is only one head that I would rather have, problem is its not long lasting. Tone wise its unbeatable imo and that is the Remo Ambassador, best head ever made imo.

So yes, I am very happy with the super2's. I've had my super 2's for 6 months (practicing or gigging daily) and they still sound good, For now the only drum that get's the Ambassador treatment is my snare. I can not live without an ambassador on my snare.
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:30 PM
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PeteN, yes I am using super 2's and yes I am very happy with them. Heres the thing, a) I'm not endorsed b) I have a mortgage and a job c) when I'm in the market for heads I try to stretch my dollar by getting the best sounding long lasting heads on the market;
There are a couple of things I look at when I purchase heads. First off and I give these the same amount of weight. Durability, response and tone are at the top of my list. Ergo the Aquarian Super 2's. Double ply 5mil + 7mil, nice stick response and a very nice tone to them. I like them better than G2's/emp's mostly becase of the response.

Now, there is only one head that I would rather have, problem is its not long lasting. Tone wise its unbeatable imo and that is the Remo Ambassador, best head ever made imo.

So yes, I am very happy with the super2's. I've had my super 2's for 6 months (practicing or gigging daily) and they still sound good, For now the only drum that get's the Ambassador treatment is my snare. I can not live without an ambassador on my snare.
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:00 AM
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:05 AM
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:36 AM
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neither, aquarian for me, tried them all, keep coming back to aquarian, they cost less and dont go dead nearly as fast, but thats just my experience with heads and my playing style, plus the studio x and super kick models have no equivelant heads from the others

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Old 08-29-2011, 05:20 AM
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Much of what I'm about to say has been said in some form or another, but here's my view:

I couldn't tell the difference in sound between similar Remo and Evans heads, but here's what I do know:

I stopped using Remos (first Powerstroke 3 then coated Emperors) on my snare drum a long time ago because I hit hard and they kept "pulling out" at the collar. I've NEVER had a coated G2 pull out on me. And shortly after transitioning to Evans, I noticed the coating took forever to wear off.

Although they're superior in durability (in my experience) I like the way Remos look better than Evans heads. Seems trivial, but it's true. I like the Fiberskyn on the front of my kick drum especially.

Best kick drum batter though, is the Aquarian Superkick I (NOT the 2-ply Superkick II - way too dead). I have a Powerstroke 3 on my 22" kick now. Not the worst head I've played (that'd be the Evans EQ4) but nothing like the Superkick.

Durability has a lot to do with how hard you hit and what kind of sticks you use. I switched from Vater Fusion sticks to the Vater Fatback 3A and noticed my clear tom heads lasted a lot longer.
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:30 AM
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.......... I like the way Remos look better than Evans heads. Seems trivial, but it's true.
That made me laugh. I think Remo heads just look better too. Stupid isn't it? Yet it is true indeed. :-)
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:45 AM
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Remo rules, Evans drools. :)
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Old 08-29-2011, 04:14 PM
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neither, aquarian for me, tried them all, keep coming back to aquarian, they cost less...
Really? Almost every comparison I've done shows Evans as costing less than both Aquarian and Remo.

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That made me laugh. I think Remo heads just look better too. Stupid isn't it? Yet it is true indeed. :-)
Is this mainly because of the aesthetic of the Fiberskyn or does this apply to coated and clear heads as well?

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Old 08-29-2011, 04:19 PM
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Remo rules, Evans drools. :)
Yeah, drummers often drool over the sound of my drums fitted with Evans heads!
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:01 AM
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Is this mainly because of the aesthetic of the Fiberskyn or does this apply to coated and clear heads as well?
No mate, my reasons are far, far more feeble than that. It's purely down to the logo.....exceptionally sad, but true nonetheless. Much in the same way that I prefer the look of an Imperial lug and a Keystone badge on a Ludwig snare. :-)

I have experience with your G1's, G2's and Hazy 300's. As I stated earlier, I think you guys make a fine drum head and I'd happily use them again.....if you check my posts you'll find I refer people to Evans heads as often as I recommend Remo. I'm neither blind nor biased as to the relative "equality" between the two. It's just my first choice is a Remo head. I'm guessing it's because I've been using them forever and unlike many of my DW counterparts have never suffered the supposed durability issues that I see many refer to. I think it's purely a case of 'old habits die hard'.
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Old 08-30-2011, 02:43 AM
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I prefer Evans because they tune up quicker when new and stay in tune better than any other head I have tried. I am good at tuning because I have been doing it since 1967, and I have experimented a lot. Now that Evans has a head with a "dot", they have everything I would need. I really like EC2 heads. Peace and goodwill.
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I put a new Evans EC1 with the patch underneath on my Ludwig hammered bronze 6 1/2x14.
The jury is still out but I believe I like it. It tuned up a little easier than a Remo Ambassador, it's rather sensitive for a head that can take a pounding. Interestingly enough, it also rings quite a bit for its thickness. It sounded to me like the head allowed more of the shell character to come out.

It's strange to go from playing a coated Ambassador on this drum for years and then changing over to something like this. I wonder how it would sound under studio micing.
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Really? Almost every comparison I've done shows Evans as costing less than both Aquarian and Remo.
i used a clear one ply just to keep things even and simple and went with music 123 because they have free shipping and fairly competitive prices.

aquarian 16" $12.94 12" $10.29

evans 16" $14.70 12" $11.57

remo 16" $16.20 12" $12.58

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aquarian-Cla...item7217dce78b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Evans-G1-Cle...item746bd21c94

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remo-Weather...item7217de2ca2

i actually get mine here in canada from long and mcquade and there is even a bigger difference.

aquarian 14 coated $9.60
evans 14 clear $14.50
remo 14 clear $18.50

http://www.long-mcquade.com/products...oated_Head.htm
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Evans....coated finishes are more durable, heads stay in tune better and overall they last longer..
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Old 09-05-2011, 02:19 AM
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Evans....coated finishes are more durable, heads stay in tune better and overall they last longer..
In your opinion. :) You forgot that. The important part is that Remo sounds better. :)
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Evans....coated finishes are more durable, heads stay in tune better and overall they last longer..
thats not the experience ive had with my style and the music im playing, the aquarians last 3 to 4 times longer and the heads that i have found to sound the best on my kit have no equivalent from evans or remo.
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Remo rules, Evans drools. :)
I remember my 6 year old son saying Boys rule, girls drool. Nice mature answer stix.

Remo heads are cheaper to buy the first time, but who wants to keep buying heads when Evans will last longer in the long run.
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I remember my 6 year old son saying Boys rule, girls drool. Nice mature answer stix.

Remo heads are cheaper to buy the first time, but who wants to keep buying heads when Evans will last longer in the long run.
I was just kidding there Grunts. Don't take life so seriously. :) I think your out of reach Avatar pic is starting to frustrate you.
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Why would they? Don't take life so seriously. My avatar is very much in reach.
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thats not the experience ive had with my style and the music im playing, the aquarians last 3 to 4 times longer and the heads that i have found to sound the best on my kit have no equivalent from evans or remo.
Aquarians weren't in the mix on the original question...I have tried them as well...they're good heads as well...I just prefer Evans...
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In your opinion. :) You forgot that. The important part is that Remo sounds better. :)
My opinion is the only opinion that matters...in my world..:)...and no remo heads do not sound better...
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Hi guys!

I recently treated myself to a Ludwig Supraphonic LM402.
Immediately I had to replace the Ludwig Weather Master medium head which came with the drum.
It was impossible to tune. At all.
Thomann were good enough to send me a coated Ambassador FOC.

Before that arrived I'd ordered a couple of Aquarian Texture Coated heads to try.

I'd like to point out that my recent Gretsch kit came with Evans Genera G1s as standard and an Emad bass drum batter.

Anyhoo, the Evans G1s on snares and toms have sounded generally good and have tuned up fairly easily.

I tried 2 identical Aquarian 14" Texture Coated heads on the Ludwig one after the other. Still couldn't properly tune the drum evenly. By this point I was beginning to fear my new drum was out of round. As soon as I tried cranking up the pitch it exaggerated the tuning inequalities.

I'd had enough by now, then remembered the Remo Coated Ambassador.
It tuned up straight away and I was able to take it through the whole spectrum of tension keeping constant even tuning throughout.

Good old Remo? Definitely in this case.
I think Evans Coated G1s are equally as good, but was surprised and disappointed by the Aquarians.

The moral of the story?

Don't despair with your troublesome snare - it may just be the head causing you tuning problems.

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I tried 2 identical Aquarian 14" Texture Coated heads on the Ludwig one after the other. Still couldn't properly tune the drum evenly. By this point I was beginning to fear my new drum was out of round. As soon as I tried cranking up the pitch it exaggerated the tuning inequalities.

I'd had enough by now, then remembered the Remo Coated Ambassador.
It tuned up straight away and I was able to take it through the whole spectrum of tension keeping constant even tuning throughout.

Good old Remo? Definitely in this case.
I think Evans Coated G1s are equally as good, but was surprised and disappointed by the Aquarians.
Something doesnt seem quite right. In 15 years I have never had a problem with even one head and to have 2 at once that would not tune, there is a problem there somewhere, call Roy, I am sure if there is a problem with the heads he will give you new ones, but if you not going to do anything with them I would be happy to take them off your hands.
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Remo IN MY OPINION make better basic heads - i.e. no muffling. Their industry standard Ambassadors and Emperors (barring their recent QC drop) sound a bit better than the Evans counterparts (G1 and G2). This is not to say the Evans G1 or G2 are bad heads. Not at all. On the other hand, any head that has internal or external muffling, power dots, or anything EXTRA, I tend to go with Evans because their technology seems to be a bit more advanced and/or better accomplished than Remo.

Case in point - an EC2 versus a Pinstripe. Are you kidding? There's absolutely no contest. EC2's rip the Pinstripes in every way possible. Same way with the Powerstroke 3. The bass head is fine but the toms and snare PS3's are just terrible. EC1's blow them out of the water.


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evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...
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evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...
More like, thank god for Sabian and Aquarian. Although both Zildjian and Sabian are both top quality cymbals you do realize that Sabian is actually closer to the original Zildjian than Zildjian when it comes to the original recipes and manufacturing techniques and when it comes to heads, sound wise as well as durability IMO Remo is the the bottom of the barrel.
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.........you do realize that Sabian is actually closer to the original Zildjian than Zildjian when it comes to the original recipes and manufacturing techniques.......
It's a romantic notion that I've certainly heard before........no doubt stemming from the early days of Sabian when they were trying to get their name out and about and were happy to spin whatever tale they thought would best help shift their product. But the simple fact still remains, I have never heard a Sabian cymbal that even remotely resembles an old 50's or 60's Zildjian A anyway.

Not that that's a bad thing....it just is......If I ran the company I'd want them to have their own voice too. But it just seems to me that it's commonly used to spruik the merrits of Sabian cymbals, when the argument misses the mark completely anyway.
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It's a romantic notion that I've certainly heard before........no doubt stemming from the early days of Sabian when they were trying to get their name out and about and were happy to spin whatever tale they thought would best help shift their product.
Not just a tale. Before the brothers parted company Robert Zildjian ran Zildjian's Canadian plant in Meductic New Brunswick where all the Zildjian A's and some K's were made and after the split Robert changed the name to Sabian (named after his 3 kids Sally, Bill and Andy) and kept the same people and the same machinery and any pies that had not been stamped Zildjian were now stamped Sabian and even if they had wanted to advertise that fact they were not allowed by law but both brothers were legally entitled to use the family recipes and techniques handed down. When they parted ways the only thing that changed was the name on the front of the building.

Living only 3 hours from the plant and a personal friend of one of the employees my parents were able to get me a set of Zildjian high hats direct from the plant not too long before the change in the early 80's.

If you still dont believe it do a google search and you will find that although they have experimented and innovated with their other models the Sabian HH and AA's both still use the traditional Zildjian family bell bronze alloy and techniques.
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Not just a tale. Before the brothers parted company Robert Zildjian ran Zildjian's Canadian plant in Meductic New Brunswick where all the Zildjian A's and some K's were made and after the split Robert changed the name to Sabian (named after his 3 kids Sally, Bill and Andy) and kept the same people and the same machinery and any pies that had not been stamped Zildjian were now stamped Sabian and even if they had wanted to advertise that fact they were not allowed by law but both brothers were legally entitled to use the family recipes and techniques handed down.

Living only 3 hours from the plant and a personal friend of one of the employees my parents were able to get me a set of Zildjian high hats direct from the plant not too long before the change in the early 80's.

If you still dont believe it do a google search and you will find that although they have experimented and innovated with their other models the Sabian HH and AA's both still use the traditional Zildjian family bell bronze alloy and techniques.
It's not the history that I dispute. It's the claim that because Sabian uses the "traditional family recipe" and manufacturing techniques that they are closer to older Zildjians than current Zildjian models are.

Despite what they tell us, I'm yet to hear a Sabian that sounds anything like an old Zildjian A or K......that particular claim is nothing more than marketing hype. Of that I'm convinced.
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It's not the history that I dispute. It's the claim that because Sabian uses the "traditional family recipe" and manufacturing techniques that they are closer to older Zildjians than current Zildjian models are.

Despite what they tell us, I'm yet to hear a Sabian that sounds anything like an old Zildjian A or K......that particular claim is nothing more than marketing hype. Of that I'm convinced.
You can believe what you want but I know for an absolute FACT that basically what was being shipped out the plant door as a Zildjian one day was shipped as a Sabian the next as there were hundreds possibly thousands of pies, formed, hammered and lathed cymbals at various stages in production ant the time of the name change.

Of course you wont find a new Sabian that sounds like an old Zildjian, you also wont find a new Sabian that sounds like an old Sabian, nor will you even find a new Sabian that sounds like a new Sabian, or a new Zildjian that sounds like a new Zildjian because no 2 cymbals sound the same, not even within the same the same size, model and finish.

As far as im concerned the "which is better" argument between Sabian and Zildjian is almost the same as arguing over which pickup truck is better, Chev or GMC...
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As far as im concerned the "which is better" argument between Sabian and Zildjian is almost the same as arguing over which pickup truck is better, Chev or GMC...
Of that, we are in total agreement.
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evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...
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evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...

The reason I switched to Sabian from Zildjian, is the Zildjian cymbals coming out of the factory in 2000-2001 just plain SUCKED compared to what they were putting out a few years before then. They aslo discontinued a few cymbals that I was using and I couldn't get them anymore. Once Zildjian discontinues something, that's it. They are gone. Period. They WON'T make one and don't take special orders.

Sabian doesn't do that, they'll take special size orders, or make something custom.

Maybe it's a generational thing, IDK, but if YOU like how Zildjian's sound, that's great, and they make cymbal sounds that you dig.
I played Zildjian for 25 years starting in 1975. The AA cymbals Sabian makes sound more like the Classic "A Zildjian" 70's, and 80's Zildjian cymbals. A Medium from Sabian is a Medium, and a Med. Thin is a Med. Thin, not heavier and clangier sounding than what they were supposed to be (or were back in the day with Zildjian).

The Sabian factory is the factory that made the re-introduced Zildjian K's, and some other lines when Zildjian needed more production before the split. Neil Peart's "famous" ride came from the Canadian factory--even though it's a Zildjian A, and the A's were coming from the American factory.
The formula the companies use is still the same. The way they make them into a cymbal is different, as Zildjian NOW uses little handwork in their production these days. As little as possible to my ears, but to each their own.

I haven't heard a cymbal out there now that really sounds like the 50's and 60's A Zildjian cymbals though. They do sound different, and they are a lot thinner than what's usually in shops to pick from. Pretty cool cymbals for sure. My boss has several I'd like to get my hands on...

I like both Remo and Evans heads, but Remo has a sound and performance I like a little better, so I use them.
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Evans Specialist--does Evans offer a Coated G1 in 26"?
Any 26" bass drum heads without a control ring?
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Evans Specialist--does Evans offer a Coated G1 in 26"?
Any 26" bass drum heads without a control ring?
According to the most recent information that I have, they do in both clear and coated and up to a 28" diameter. The way things get changed around a bit at Evans, this information may not be correct at this particular day and time.

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