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Old 08-21-2005, 04:55 AM
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thinshells ....first don't bash ringo... lol.. second the beatles far outsold zepplin until they broke up..remember the beatles were very much mainstream at that time, popular with kids and adults (and even charles manson)Zepplin was still on the climb then and bands like the beatles , stones, clapton, the who,embraced them and took them under their wings and brought them to the mainstream...wayne
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:22 AM
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thinshells ....first don't bash ringo... lol.. second the beatles far outsold zepplin until they broke up..remember the beatles were very much mainstream at that time, popular with kids and adults (and even charles manson)Zepplin was still on the climb then and bands like the beatles , stones, clapton, the who,embraced them and took them under their wings and brought them to the mainstream...wayne
I missed the part where I bashed Ringo. That must be an in-joke somewhere.

Look at the year by year growth in Zep record sales. They took off in a few short years. They did outsell the beatles for a while (that is a lot of records) had multiple records on the charts at once, and have been listen in the Guiness book of records as largest attendence.

Now, the other stuff is just anti-Zep bashing for the sake of trying to downplay thier significance. As of 1975, Zep were legends. Anyone who knows Zep knows Bonzo died by drinking himself to death in 1980, but that has nothing to do with the fact they have a huge catalog of rock classics and they are beloved worldwide. I say this and I am not a rabid fan, but I am realistic about it. I remember "disco sucks" and there is no way I'd listen to that instead of Zep. For that matter, pure dance music and love ballards always outsells everything else on a consistant basis.

Anybody still got a New kids on the block poster? Grew out of it? Thought so. Anyone practice drum licks from the Jackson 5 or the Bee Gees to hone your grooves and challenge yourself to the nth degree?

This is getting close to nothing more than a zep bashing thread by a few individuals.
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:04 PM
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great post.

look i love zepellin. they were self indulgent maniacs lets not beat around the bush. their album sales were as large as plant's ego (which is measured in light years) and their legact will certainly last as long as a jimi page violin bow solo seemed. i have the original LZ video and it was horrible, fantasy sequences and mostly shots of plants bleach stained crotch even during moby dick we first had to follow the two ballon heads offf the stage.
the fact is that they were a band perfectly fitting to their time and as serious studio song writers they were superb. john paul jones in no small way reigned in a lot of the weird stuff and he and bonzo are the two guys i really listen to. just look at the results once the band split up. once the two johns were out the music just sucked.
i love LZ and it is still incredible to me that for 15 years now i have listened to the almost daily with out growing tired. no other band can lay that claim so in effect they are also a band for all time.
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:29 PM
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If somebody chose to buy a big BassDrum - put the Set down at the staircase and practise on triplets including Bass-Drum......I think this are good ideas.

But if someone starts heavy drinking for achieving Bonham-Drum-Level, it's for sure the wrong way.

I think, it's a tragedy how this ended up. With alcohol every playing becomes bad without exception. Even John.

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Old 08-21-2005, 02:25 PM
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If somebody chose to buy a big BassDrum - put the Set down at the staircase and practise on triplets including Bass-Drum......I think this are good ideas.

But if someone starts heavy drinking for achieving Bonham-Drum-Level, it's for sure the wrong way.

I think, it's a tragedy how this ended up. With alcohol every playing becomes bad without exception. Even John.

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Yes, I agree, I watch all the shows about bands and members in bands how either drugs or alcohol consumed them during fame. Then after they get cleaned up (providing they lived through it) they go back into music but its never the same the second time around.
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:39 PM
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for reference: http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp this is only the US sales. 61 million more records outdo the Beatles.
the beatles sold far more records than other artists overall. however i do think led zeppelin were the best band to ever exist. Robert Plant's ego? who cares. he's an amazing singer \. i've got his solo album and it sounds very good imho. as for jimmy page, well... i know his solos were about 20 mins each, but he's a guitar guru that influenced a million other guitarists, much like ringo's drum influences.
on JPJ's website there's a video of him playing a triple-neck guitar! very cool. be sure to check it out.

if he was still alive today we would no doubt think he's the greatest drummer ever to live. imagine led zeppelin if they were still around. i'm quite sure they wouldn't be like the rolling stones...

"they were self indulgent maniacs lets not beat around the bush"- i agree to some extent. However, there were bigger self-indulgent maniacs called Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:40 PM
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don't get me wrong i really like Frank Zappa as well
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:58 PM
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i agree. it was the times they lived in. robert plant himself says of himself in those days: 'i had so much nose candy...'

certain drugs make you think you are a gid and when you are in a huge bad with people worshipping you the result is unsurprising.

queen were having their legendary after tour parties in these days and yes there were things like zappa and jim morrison. the 70s were great and dangerous.

and i do like plants after zep stuff but it hardly compares to the chemistry that came before. and jimi, well jimmi wasted himself for many years and then started comming back. and JPJ? he carried on composing.

i wish bonzo was still alive. i wish bob marley was alive to. and many others. freddy mercury? the miracle is that they lived at all.

j

PS: i just wish bonzo had made an instruction DVD.

PPS: what are we all doing on september the 25th. it will be the anniversarry of his death. 25 years without bonzo. i think they should do a 'burning for bonzo' concert with steve, dave, chad, phil and co playing zep songs on an orange vistalite. that would be cool. actually i rather fancy that our rather popular DW founder could phone some contacts and get hudson music to organise it. come on berhard, what do you say?

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Old 08-21-2005, 05:07 PM
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Bonzo brought swing element into rock! not jazz! lol

Stairway to Heaven, a top rock song has sublte swing inflections! Neato!

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actually i rather fancy that our rather popular DW founder could phone some contacts and get hudson music to organise it. come on berhard, what do you say?

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Old 08-21-2005, 05:11 PM
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i think you mean 'into rock'
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jazz already always had swing in it.

but i do agree.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:37 PM
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If somebody chose to buy a big BassDrum - put the Set down at the staircase and practise on triplets including Bass-Drum......I think this are good ideas.

But if someone starts heavy drinking for achieving Bonham-Drum-Level, it's for sure the wrong way.

I think, it's a tragedy how this ended up. With alcohol every playing becomes bad without exception. Even John.

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I was in high school. We were actually studying current events and then the bad news flashed across CBS news. Bonzo had died. It was utter shock and disbelief. I mean, I wasn't really a Beatles maniac, nor a Nirvana fanatic so when John Lennon was killed and Kurt Cobain killed himself, it didn't have that much affect on me.

But when self indulgence silenced the hammer of the Gods, I knew Zep would never be the same. It was a crushing blow to lose such an influence. He's probably up there playing some golden Ludwigs right now. That would explain thunderstorms....
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:01 PM
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the best drummer ever. nothing else to say, since you've already said a lot.
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:13 PM
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He's probably up there playing some golden Ludwigs right now. That would explain thunderstorms....
Hey, that explains much!! :o
Well sayed! :)
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:07 PM
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Bonham is easily my favourite drummer. The hours I've spent working on my right foot because of him.
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Old 08-22-2005, 04:36 PM
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bonham is an awsome drummer i to have spent hours on my right foot its as fast but its DEFANITLY not as strong, i also got my hands on the Rock And Roll drum outtake MUHAHAHAHA
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Old 08-24-2005, 02:14 AM
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sorry guys but i've held back long enough : don't get me wrong i love jb as much as the next person but the truth must come out 1) led zepplin was totally hated by the critics thru most of their career and the record buying community(remember i'm 43 years old so i have some memory left that the scotch wiskey did'nt kill)2) the most popular bands at the time where deep purple ,alice cooper ,black sabbath, sweet , the osmonds (ahhhh) , jackson 5 , grand funk ,sly stone, etc... remember i'm not putting them down.3) it really was'nt till the advent of f.m. radio and the classic rock format that things started happening for them (by this time jb had passed. sidenote : kiss was the most popular band in the world by then.Carmine appiece(i think i spelled his name wrong)was considered the far better drummer at the time.led zepplin was considered underground hippie music then and only appreciated by the sub culture.And we all know the story of jimmy page being the biggest thief of american black music. sorry to piss anybody off but that's the way it was in the 70's.....wayne
Sure. That's exactly why they knocked the Beatles off the charts, and demolished every attendance record known to man.
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:32 AM
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...your right everyone disliked Zeppelin and no one wanted to see them in concert *rolls eyes*
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:44 AM
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...your right everyone disliked Zeppelin and no one wanted to see them in concert *rolls eyes*

They must have been hated by the record buying public as well. The record company hated them so much that they kept giving them gold and platinum records instead of regular vinyl. They hated the zep box set, and they REALLY hated How the west was won cd and dvd. They hated it so much it went to number 1!
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:13 AM
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sorry guys but i've held back long enough : don't get me wrong i love jb as much as the next person but the truth must come out 1) led zepplin was totally hated by the critics thru most of their career and the record buying community(remember i'm 43 years old so i have some memory left that the scotch wiskey did'nt kill)2) the most popular bands at the time where deep purple ,alice cooper ,black sabbath, sweet , the osmonds (ahhhh) , jackson 5 , grand funk ,sly stone, etc... remember i'm not putting them down.3) it really was'nt till the advent of f.m. radio and the classic rock format that things started happening for them (by this time jb had passed. sidenote : kiss was the most popular band in the world by then.Carmine appiece(i think i spelled his name wrong)was considered the far better drummer at the time.led zepplin was considered underground hippie music then and only appreciated by the sub culture.And we all know the story of jimmy page being the biggest thief of american black music. sorry to piss anybody off but that's the way it was in the 70's.....wayne
I'm sorry Mr BigBang but where have you been, i think the scotch whiskey has destroyed more brain cells than you think. I'm a similar age to yourself and i remember the period quite vividly and zepplin were MASSIVE at the time and still are. The only difference between them and the bands you mentioned are ther lack of single activity in the charts.
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Old 08-25-2005, 05:23 PM
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This is hilarious!!! I remember in the 70's, they had to book 6 nights at the old Chicago Stadium, they sucked so bad. No other band has ever booked that many nights in a major venue in Chicago. Not even close. I hope to be in a band that rots like that someday!
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sorry guys but i've held back long enough : don't get me wrong i love jb as much as the next person but the truth must come out 1) led zepplin was totally hated by the critics thru most of their career and the record buying community(remember i'm 43 years old so i have some memory left that the scotch wiskey did'nt kill)2) the most popular bands at the time where deep purple ,alice cooper ,black sabbath, sweet , the osmonds (ahhhh) , jackson 5 , grand funk ,sly stone, etc... remember i'm not putting them down.3) it really was'nt till the advent of f.m. radio and the classic rock format that things started happening for them (by this time jb had passed. sidenote : kiss was the most popular band in the world by then.Carmine appiece(i think i spelled his name wrong)was considered the far better drummer at the time.led zepplin was considered underground hippie music then and only appreciated by the sub culture.And we all know the story of jimmy page being the biggest thief of american black music. sorry to piss anybody off but that's the way it was in the 70's.....wayne
So you were 7 when LZ debuted?
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:16 PM
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sorry mr. bigbang, i don't agree with your statement. although it is known that they weren't especially 'liked' by the critics, i don't think they wered hated by them.
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:23 PM
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This is hilarious!!! I remember in the 70's, they had to book 6 nights at the old Chicago Stadium, they sucked so bad. No other band has ever booked that many nights in a major venue in Chicago. Not even close. I hope to be in a band that rots like that someday!
It was actually four nights, and it was in April of 1977. They also had a three night stay in January of 1975. Both of these Chicago stints weren't up to par because it was the beginning of both tours. By the end of April, they were playing better than they ever did in 1975, and for Led Zeppelin fans [or bootleg collectors], 1977 was probably thier worst touring year.
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:23 PM
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Actually I remember from an intrview with Ian Paice, he sayed: ''Led Zeppelin were never a live band, they worked incerdibly well in studio but live... that just wasn't their thing''
Edit: this is not how he sayed, that is how I remember, I will try to find that interview

I have to agree with Ian, when I listen to Deep Purple, then it is allways their live recordings, but when Led Zeppelin, then allways (70%) studio recordings. Well some of the live stuff is awsome, for example - Since I've been loving you (from the BBC sessions) on the studio record it is not even close as good as live
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What? You guys don't believe Wayne on the 70's? You mean you don't believe a half-witted, middle-aged-raging alcoholic?
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i believe all the things he said about jackson 5 and grand funk, and don't be so harsh about the guy.
i do like Deep Purple live than studio recordings as well. Personally Made In Japan is far better than Machinehead because it has far more improvisation and cool solos.
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okay guys that's enough member bashing. everything here is opinion and need not be lead by IMHO or IMO. wayne stated what was true to him in the 70s. but it is a big world. let's get back and keep back on topic.

just spent an hour playing 'Darlene' from coda over and over again. i love that hihat accent.

also played 'fool in the rain' from beginning to end with bonzo and hooray, i made very few mistakes.

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damn thats a fun song to play. . .
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also played 'fool in the rain' from beginning to end with bonzo and hooray, i made very few mistakes.
Now play with baseball bats to emulate his sound!
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A long while ago my dad brought home "Led Zeppelin I", It must of been the only thing I listened to for a month. From then on I gradually collected everything zeppelin I could find, (curently I have every studio record including The song remains the same soundtrack, and both the TSRS movie and the double disc footage...of course this took awhile to collaborate)...It just so happened that I had just started drumming then, so John Bonham inspired me to dive into drumming head first...I have "A thunder of drums" which just amazing book, i suggest any Bonham fan to get it. I'm still in awe of his powerful expertise.

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Old 09-24-2005, 09:26 PM
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Tomorrow (25,sept) it 25 years sins John Henry Bonham tragic passing
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Indeed R.I.P John (Bonzo) Henry Bonham. Watched the vids on that site ye posted and once again just amazed with his creativity and power.

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that is biggest lie ive ever heard. Along with The Beatles, Led Zeppelin is one of 2 bands with 5 diamond albums, meaning sales of more than 10 million each. They are Led Zeppelin 4 (22 mil), Physical Graffiti (15 mil), Led Zeppelin II (12 mil), Houses of the Holy (11 mil), and their Boxed Set (10 mil). black sabbath,jackson 5 did not sell that many recrords. dont tell me they were not popular until after bonzo died. the crictics probley didnt like them that much, but thats probley because they were so different than anything else up there. and everyone knows the media sucks. come on the box set took out 50 cent in the record sales charts 20 years after they broke up.
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yesterday was my 30th birthday and the 25th anniversary of john bonham's tragic death. a hero and a legend and sorely missed. perhaps in 5 years there will be a burning for bonham tribute.

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yesterday was my 30th birthday and the 25th anniversary of john bonham's tragic death. a hero and a legend and sorely missed. perhaps in 5 years there will be a burning for bonham tribute.

i will be there.

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Actually, I read that Mike Portnoy was part of a Bonzo tribute, to the point Tama made him a zep kit.
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A drummer who's inspired everyone of us.....

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Default Re: JOHN BONHAM

oh god am i gonna ket killed for this. first off john bonham was an amazing drummer. his right foot was indeed very fast and his triplet fills were vey impressive. he played a lot of really cool stuff. two things, however, bother me when i listen to zeppelin. one is personal, in that i'm not actually a huge fan of that kind of rock, though i'm not saying it's bad music. heck it's incredible. the second is this. moby dick solo is, in my opinion, slightly too long and slightly too dull. even the studio version. i can never be bother to properly pay attention to the whole thing, cos it isn't exciting to me. it doesn't seem to have a pulse to it. the fact that the concert version was half an hour makes it worse, though the video clips on this site did make it seem like a much better solo. i think the studio version was a mistake, and i personally prefer the guitar parts. don't kill me please.
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Old 09-26-2005, 10:16 PM
A thunder of Coxy A thunder of Coxy is offline
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WELL THEN EWANLAING!!!!! Nah just kidding I suppose we all have opinions, negatives, positives and basically judgements on songs (solos) whatever. I myself do like the studio recording of Moby Dick and could never get bored of it, even the live version for that fact (probably because Im still learning a technique off it which is stupidly difficult). Its my opinion on it anyway we are all different thats what makes us copy from each other (cheesy I know).
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