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Old 08-20-2006, 04:41 PM
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he used coated ambassadors on the bottom and rim shot 98% of the time? come on now yeah right.
He did use a coated ambassador if i remember correctly. Watch the Jeff Ocheltree video on bonhams page where he says how he tuned his drums. And then watch how bonham plays with his stick technique.

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Old 08-21-2006, 09:20 AM
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Good Ol Bonham. I would love to get his kind of sound, but I don't have the drums to achieve a similar sound. Fool in the Rain is definitely Bonham groove.
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Old 08-21-2006, 06:51 PM
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Ok. I still cant really find the exact bonham snare sound. I want to know how to get the sound he has on zeppelin 4. (you can hear it great on misty mountain hop). thanks

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Old 08-22-2006, 03:47 AM
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Heres something I came across its John Bonham laying down the drums for his Moby Dick solo it just cuts off at the end, maybe one day the whole thing will be realesed
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Old 08-22-2006, 04:57 AM
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get a really deep black beauty supraphonic snare and tune it kinda high :)
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:23 AM
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get a really deep black beauty supraphonic snare and tune it kinda high :)

Ive got what i need in a snare already. (vintage 70's ludwig supraphonic snare, 42 snare wires, remo emperor coated on top, ambassador on bottom)
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:04 AM
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Good Ol Bonham. I would love to get his kind of sound, but I don't have the drums to achieve a similar sound. Fool in the Rain is definitely Bonham groove.
sorry to differ but the half time shuffle played in that song is actually not his patented groove .... his limb progression there is nothing very un-typical when you yourself start playing that shuffle.

but yes the way that beat pulls the song continuously is unique and the drum sound definitely adds to the flavour ........ probably it would be a better point if one argues that only Bonham could articulate that beat so tastefully during the conception of the song ....
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:20 AM
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sorry to differ but the half time shuffle played in that song is actually not his patented groove .... his limb progression there is nothing very un-typical when you yourself start playing that shuffle.

but yes the way that beat pulls the song continuously is unique and the drum sound definitely adds to the flavour ........ probably it would be a better point if one argues that only Bonham could articulate that beat so tastefully during the conception of the song ....
Oops. I meant to say it's my favorite bonham groove. His patented groove would be in something like moby dick, whole lotta love wouldn't it?
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Old 08-23-2006, 04:54 AM
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he used coated ambassadors on the bottom and rim shot 98% of the time? come on now yeah right.
Why is this so outrageous? Bonzo was a power player and the best way to get power out your snare is to strike the drum hitting the rim and the head at the same time! All you have to do is watch video clips and watch his left hand most of the time he strikes the drum with a rim shot. Of course some of the more quiet bluesy tunes he didn't until the music built up to a cresendo. But I am amazed you think is so ridiculous! And yes he did use Coated Ambassadors on the bottom of his toms, but I don't think he used Coated Ambassador on the bottom of the snare. That is the question I was responding to in my reply.
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Why is this so outrageous? Bonzo was a power player and the best way to get power out your snare is to strike the drum hitting the rim and the head at the same time! All you have to do is watch video clips and watch his left hand most of the time he strikes the drum with a rim shot. Of course some of the more quiet bluesy tunes he didn't until the music built up to a cresendo. But I am amazed you think is so ridiculous! And yes he did use Coated Ambassadors on the bottom of his toms, but I don't think he used Coated Ambassador on the bottom of the snare. That is the question I was responding to in my reply.

Ya watch on In My Time of Dying on the dvd. Rim shots every stroke seems like. But ya he used coated ambassadors on the bottom of toms but I thought he used a coated ambassador on the bottom on the snare but its a clear. Or sometimes a clear diplomat.
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Old 08-23-2006, 05:20 AM
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Ya watch on In My Time of Dying on the dvd. Rim shots every stroke seems like. But ya he used coated ambassadors on the bottom of toms but I thought he used a coated ambassador on the bottom on the snare but its a clear. Or sometimes a clear diplomat.
Exactly! I have been playing for thirty one years I never have heard of anyone using a Coated head on the bottom of the snare. I would think that would really choke the sound of the drum. Maybe a hazy head but not a Coated. I would go with a Clear Ambassador or Diplomat you will be fine. Keep working with it you will get the sound you are looking for.
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Old 09-05-2006, 11:35 PM
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Has anyone figured out how to mimick john bonhams fills. Can anyone help lead me through mobey dick?
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Old 09-06-2006, 01:07 AM
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study stick control especially the paradiddle combinations.

practice triplets hands only and also hand and foot combos

practice crossovers

single strokes (doubling the speed)

single bass doubles, broken triplets and constant sixteenths

get back to me in 18 months and let me know how it all went.

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Old 09-06-2006, 01:56 PM
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get back to me in 18 months and let me know how it all went.

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Old 09-06-2006, 02:05 PM
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i was going to say ...and call me in the morning but that would be a hell of a night.
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hahahahahahaha reminds me my examinations
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Default John Bonham's Dazed and Confused Riff

Ive been dieing to learn this riff! I thought maybe you guys can help me out :)
In dazed and confused, starting at about 4:57 and ending at 5:02 he plays this cool riff i wanna learn :D
anyone wanna help me out with the tabs or something?

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pss: pretty sure this is in the right thread

psss: i searched too didnt find anything
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(edit: never mind this message)

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You must be referring to the bass drum triplets he's playing. If this is what you are referring to, he plays it straight away but towards the end, he plays it continually though, "I know it means to be alone...." and then more toward the end of the song.

Simple, but it requires lots of practice to implement it so that it grooves. Basically all you do it play the last two notes of the triplet with your bass drum.

1-bass-drum 2-bass-drum 3-bass-drum 4-bass-drum. Play it V E R Y S L O W L Y until it's perfect... set a metronome at 60 and play it like SNARE-BASS-BASS, SNARE-BASS-BASS... until you are comfortable... then HAT-BASS-BASS... etc. Eventually as you gradually increase the speed and pay attention to your foot technique, making sure each bass note sounds equally, you'll be able to use it within a swung funk groove and you'll get that lick down.

sorry...those arent bass drum triplets. Those are his snare- tom -tom- bass triplets
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Old 09-08-2006, 05:59 AM
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sorry...those arent bass drum triplets. Those are his snare- tom -tom- bass triplets
Well, I don't have a copy of the song at hand... perhaps you're right. Either way they are triplets and you would practice R, L, F... until you build speed, the exact same way you would use the bass drums as I explained below.

In fact, mastering both is essential to playing that song.
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:14 AM
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Default Re: John Bonham's Dazed and Confused Riff

I believe its something like s-s-b t-t-b T-T-b T-T-B triplets at a very fast tempo


s being snare
t beign his smallest tom
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Old 09-08-2006, 07:29 AM
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One thing's for sure. Bonzo never played it the same way ever. Actually he rarely played anything exactly the same. So I wouldn't worry about learning it note for note.

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Old 09-08-2006, 08:49 AM
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i disagree. its one of his chops he did use often.

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"I know it means to be alone...." and then more toward the end of the song.

Simple, but it requires lots of practice to implement it so that it grooves. Basically all you do it play the last two notes of the triplet with your bass drum.

1-bass-drum 2-bass-drum 3-bass-drum 4-bass-drum. Play it V E R Y S L O W L Y until it's perfect... set a metronome at 60 and play it like SNARE-BASS-BASS, SNARE-BASS-BASS... until you are comfortable... then HAT-BASS-BASS... etc. Eventually as you gradually increase the speed and pay attention to your foot technique, making sure each bass note sounds equally, you'll be able to use it within a swung funk groove and you'll get that lick down.
which is the correct description but for a chop in the WRONG SONG...''I know it means to be alone...." is from good times bad times.

i think XAkitAX is referring to the chop bonzo pulls out at the end of the washy guitar solo just before the time signature changes back to 6/8.
this chop is found in other places too (the dvd has several views of it)

it is a triplet cross over. between his snare then his toms always with the third strike on the bass.
S-S-B...T1-T2-B...T2-T2-B...T2-T1-B
L.R.....L..R......L..R......L..R........repeat 4 times and then a massive FLAM on the snare.
...........................CROSS OVER

for an alternative on this where the right hand leads the triplets see this video by Gerson Lima Filho...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kznQBB9zMF0
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It was late.

Too late to give drum advice... or any advice for that matter.
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!! i know this is an old discovery for most folks, but ive seen everyone talkin about good times bad times, but ive never really listened to the drums and i just did and oh my (insert religious figure here) that is the greatest thing i have ever heard... i turned the treble all the way down adn the bass all the way up and i almost had a heart attack, right around 2 minutes till about 2:20 will make any drummer faint.. bonham truely is the best.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:55 PM
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thank you very much do you have any other articles on techniques of other drummers. You see me and this zepplin tribute band are gonna play mobey dick and when i do the solo i want to utalize as much of john bonham technique as i can.
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thank you very much do you have any other articles on techniques of other drummers. You see me and this zepplin tribute band are gonna play mobey dick and when i do the solo i want to utalize as much of john bonham technique as i can.

All I can say to that is good luck, don't make yourself look like an idiot.
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Old 09-13-2006, 02:28 PM
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John Bonham was known to yell out during Zep's performance the word
CANON'S


SO NEXT TIME YOUR ROCKIN OUT AND THE BANDS COOKIN AND YOUR IN YOUR ELEMENT SHOUT OUT
CANON'S

IN TRIBUTE TO JOHN BONZO BONHAM .... THE BEST ROCK DRUMMER TO EVER LIVE !!!
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hmm... thanks for that one.



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If your looking for a good Bonham exercise try hitting tom,bass drum,floor tom,hit only one drum at a time start slow and then increase the tempo steadily remember no two drums should hit at the same time I can't. read music or tab so I hope you understand
this is a good exercise for your hand,feet cordination.Bonham was such a feel,groove type player wit a incredible right foot so you really got to have a good meter and i don't. mean metranome I mean enternally. good luck.

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^ Those are some big balls....


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^ Those are some big balls....


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Who's going to start it? OK, I'm game.

"Oh, I've got big balls, and she's got big balls" etc. etc.
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Bonham fills are not overly-technical nor are they tricky combinations. The impossible part of Bonham fills is playing them like he did, which nobody seems to be able to do. That's what made Bonham so great.
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That's what made Bonham so great.
Great to see you back Stu!
I really don't get that about Bonham... The thing is that I never liked him so much, but you seem to really love him! Maybe I didn't listen to him propperly. What's that special thing he has that I missed?
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Well Wile E.,Mr. Bonham would send chills up club owners backs that's why they would not let a band that Bonham was their drummer play,he was one of the first drummers to play their kit with their hands,have a Gong and kettle(typani) drums into a standard 5 piece kit.His groove and style was and still is unmatched.too this day 26 yrs. after his death he is still one of the most influencial rock drummers if not the most of all time.he did so much with so little.have a go at "achilles last stand","moby dick","bonzo's montreux","the lemon song",one of my favorites "poor tom".and when you watched him there is always something cool when you see him try to beat the hell out of his kit on one song and bring a seat and a tamborine to the front of the stage when Led Zeppelin would do their acoustic set(which they were one of the first hard rock bands to do).not to mention the antics that went on backstage.But hey different strokes for different fokes.I always try to find something cool in every drummer famous or not that I hear.at least their not one of those goofy Guitar players(lol).

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'Has anyone figured out how to mimick john bonhams fills. Can anyone help lead me through mobey dick?'

i'm with you man ! i watched moby dick over and over on drummerworld and find it impossible to mimick. He uses alot of triplet fills, that i do know.

Bonham; mind-boggling.
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'Has anyone figured out how to mimick john bonhams fills. Can anyone help lead me through mobey dick?'

i'm with you man ! i watched moby dick over and over on drummerworld and find it impossible to mimick. He uses alot of triplet fills, that i do know.

Bonham; mind-boggling.

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Old 09-15-2006, 08:32 AM
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yes, i agree with stu. listen to bonzo and then if you can try to listen to a few zep covers and see how, in spite of playing the drum parts correctly, the drummer somehow fails to sound 'bonham'. even try recording yourself doing a few bonham pieces and you probably will hear something missing.
i've made bonham the central character in my drumming for more than 10 years. i do not wish to copy his chops but i do try to emmulate 2 aspects of his drumming:
- his creativity (which is to say that i must be original if i can but approach the new song in the way i believe he would attack it)
- his feel (volume and placement and all)

i listen and have listened to zep nearly every day for the last decade so in a way i judge all other drummers against that backgound...and while a lot of them have more chops i find the feel is not there. some do have it tho. abe laboriel jr is a good exampleof a drummer in this category:
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers...boriel_jr.html

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Ok! I guess I'll have to give him another chance! Lol
I'll listen through whatever I find and let you know if my life changed after that... hehehe
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