Tre' Cool

[Jaymasta]

Originally Posted by southpawNotadrummer

Also, there was a noticeable difference between him and John/Al, the previous drummer featured on tracks 13-16 of Kerplunk. That was a total change in drummers, and a subsequent change, however minor, in sound and outcome.

Yeah Tre taught John how to play for the band "Sweet Children" now known as Green Day with Tre Cool. I just don't understand why people would bash his playing he's not looking to be the best drummer or whatever. He just plays for the music and what's not to respect about that? people think he sucks but he's awesome

[Zildjian232]

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ok John and Danny are different then what Tre plays and Green Day is not really speed 


i wasnt talking about speed. speed doesnt mean anything. alot of people judge drummers on how fast a drummer is. like for example joey jordison. he is very overated. im just replying to some people who say hes really talented, which he is in certain aspects, but not anything to brag about

[Zildjian232]

i usually dont judge bands by drummers but this is a drummer forum so i thought i bring it out. i listen to bands as a whole more than anything

[Tony Rockyhorror]

I'm gonna be honest and some people might wanna jump down my throat for this one but I think Tre Cool is very reminisent of Keith Moon. Think about it, the intensity, the number of fills, the anticts. I also think that is what's missing from rock now a days. I think Tre deserves the respect he gets, cause like them or not Green Day is the band of this generation. When kids who grew up between the years of 1993 and now look back Green Day will be what we where represented by. As far as I'm concerned that's fine.

[ewanlaing]

i back you up about 99%, only disagreeing in that i think kieth moon improvised a lot more in concert. green day sound just like on cd live, from what i see. anyhow, although much of tre cools drumming seems simple, it is fast and fun to play. and his sticks are pretty darn heavy, gave me about a million blisters when i tryed to play basket case with them. back to me old 5Bs. the music green day listened to as kids were (i suspect, correct me if i'm wrong) ramones, sex pistols and the like. and tre drums like all the ramones drummers did, especially marky. i think it's just the style he has a passion for, so it's one of these cases where we may never know how good he is.

[Jaymasta]

Originally Posted by ewanlaing

i back you up about 99%, only disagreeing in that i think kieth moon improvised a lot more in concert. green day sound just like on cd live, from what i see. anyhow, although much of tre cools drumming seems simple, it is fast and fun to play. and his sticks are pretty darn heavy, gave me about a million blisters when i tryed to play basket case with them. back to me old 5Bs. the music green day listened to as kids were (i suspect, correct me if i'm wrong) ramones, sex pistols and the like. and tre drums like all the ramones drummers did, especially marky. i think it's just the style he has a passion for, so it's one of these cases where we may never know how good he is.

I think Marky is an awesome drummer he deosn't just play punk I've seen some video's of marky playing alone and It's great same goes for Tre!

[southpawNotadrummer]

Originally Posted by Tony Rockyhorror

I'm gonna be honest and some people might wanna jump down my throat for this one but I think Tre Cool is very reminisent of Keith Moon. Think about it, the intensity, the number of fills, the anticts. I also think that is what's missing from rock now a days. I think Tre deserves the respect he gets, cause like them or not Green Day is the band of this generation. When kids who grew up between the years of 1993 and now look back Green Day will be what we where represented by. As far as I'm concerned that's fine.

Actually, I believe there is a connection between the two...also, The Who are one of the bands Green Day are very into, they have a cover of My Generation on their second album (ironically, drummed by John Kiffmeyer and not Tré...). So it shouldn't be any surprise, nor should anyone take it as a bad thing, because it's one of their very aims (conscious or subconscious...)

[ewanlaing]

Originally Posted by southpawNotadrummer

Except they were the first ones to do it...

have to stop you there. ramones did it first. green day did it better IMO

[southpawNotadrummer]

Originally Posted by ewanlaing

have to stop you there. ramones did it first. green day did it better IMO

I'm sorry. I meant the second time around. Before them, yes there were the Ramones, but that was a while before, and up until Green Day came around, everyone in the mainstream had forgotten about punk/pop-punk. The current pop-punk bands aren't out there as direct result of the Ramones, but of Green Day. Oh yes, and of course if you think Green Day was better, it'd probably because the sound had had the time to develop. Green Day take a lot of influence from The Ramones. (As well as, as it has been said, the Who, the Kinks, the Clash, David Bowie, etc...)

[ewanlaing]

ah, i see what you mean. yes i agree. i think tre cool is a solid rock drummer overall. some people dismiss his stuff as easy, but it goes well with their songs. and to be honest, what some poeple may find easy, some younger drummers may find hard. up untill last year i found green day pretty challenging to play.

[LiquidSoul546]

Okay i started this thread, and have read through a LOT of opinions. This is my point of view. Sure solid drummer.... but honestly how can you not when you have been playing that long, with that simple of music. I hate the fact he is talked about "oo fast fills"... sorry but his fills don't impress me, especially with the simplicity of them. The mere fact of him having dynamics is balogna to me. You know all he does is hit hard most the time, while the stage crew just turns his volume down haha... Sure catchy music, but to me it is crape... I have absolutly no respect for that band.
peace
ps yes i do know i said crape, and not crap, cuase i was being respectfull, crape is basically a black veil, worn over someones face, which i would do if i was tre' cool, cause i would be embarrassed.
Oh yeah, before i forget...Since when was it not for the love of music anymore, and just for money? I just realized that, sure he may not care, that's because he is a sell-out. So screw that excuse.

[jivinjunya]

well if he would focus on drumming technique instead of fashion sense i might could stomach it, but then again if he was better...then all the rest of his bandmates would be really, really bad!!! i guess he's just like ringo, in the back keeping a beat! but as i have always said,"the BEST musicians are selling car insurance"!!!

[ewanlaing]

yeah, people shouldn't be impressed by the speed of his fills anymore, and they are all basically just 4 snare, 4 tomtom, 4 floor tom, crash. pretty dull. and he has been playing for ages, but i still wouldn't call him bad. there are plenty of worse punk drummers out there. and plenty of better ones (steve jocz, travis barker.)

[Zildjian232]

Originally Posted by ewanlaing

ah, i see what you mean. yes i agree. i think tre cool is a solid rock drummer overall. some people dismiss his stuff as easy, but it goes well with their songs. and to be honest, what some poeple may find easy, some younger drummers may find hard. up untill last year i found green day pretty challenging to play.

how can you find any of that stuff challenging? unless youve just been playing for a month

Can we please stop bashing? He's a pro drummer and therefore (with some exceptions, but certainly not him) he must be up to something. Whether or not you like the music we don't need mindless 'he sucks' posts up.

Originally Posted by Dannar

Tre is a perfect example of a less is more style drummer. He doesn't overplay, because if he did, it would make Green Day sound too cluttered.

I agree with that statement. Tre is not on my favorites list. Infact sometimes I think he does too much for my taste. I really like when he slows down. He has a natural ability to place fills in spots that aren't needed but sound so good when he does. Hey...he is making a bunch of cash playing the drums. Thats where most of us would like to be. That right there says that he is good and is in demand for what the music companies want to hear these days. Good for him!

[ewanlaing]

Originally Posted by Zildjian232

how can you find any of that stuff challenging? unless youve just been playing for a month

i think thats a tad pompous (spelling). not everyone picks the drums up so quickly. statements like that may just put people off.

is his name really Tré cool he may be a good drummer but i can play every song on the american idiot album (i gave up pop and green day when i heard slayer) but some of the fills are pretty cool and i admire the drumming on hte song novacaine when the heavier part of the song comes on i still cant figure out what hes playing but whateva i dont mind Tré except his name i dont evan have to tell you why "Tré Cool" is getting bashed

If you want speed listen to slayer i used to green day is fast before i heard slayer and i discobered BLAST BEATS theyre insane gotta try em

[finnhiggins]

Originally Posted by Slayer_metal_head

(i gave up pop and green day when i heard slayer)

Why? Do they make you hand over all your CDs when you join the Metal Club or something? I have CDs in my collection by Death, Pantera, Strapping Young Lad, Meshuggah, Dillinger Escape Plan and all sorts of others. I also have hip-hop, punk, funk, jazz, blues, rock, soul, pop, dance music, folk music...

You don't just have to like one kind of thing, you know. It's possible to enjoy both for different things.

Originally Posted by finnhiggins

Why? Do they make you hand over all your CDs when you join the Metal Club or something? I have CDs in my collection by Death, Pantera, Strapping Young Lad, Meshuggah, Dillinger Escape Plan and all sorts of others. I also have hip-hop, punk, funk, jazz, blues, rock, soul, pop, dance music, folk music...

You don't just have to like one kind of thing, you know. It's possible to enjoy both for different things.

I listen to Slayer too... and even Cryptopsy... but it is definately worth expanding your horizons, I also, for instance listen to Mozart. Broaden your horizons man!

[incubotic]

i listen to mozart too. it's good to listen to classical music IMO, lets you hear very unique rhythms, melodies, time sigs etc...plus mozart was a genius...but anyway, i think Tre Cool is a solid drummer...i use to like greenday like 10 years ago, but not now..i think they sound the same they did 10 years ago..no real progression..taht's the only thing that pisses me off about them, they could be super good by now, but they don't evolve or expand really...but oh well, tre is a good drummer, that's all i can say about him really.

[geek_boy_in]

Originally Posted by Slayer_metal_head

is his name really Tré cool he may be a good drummer but i can play every song on the american idiot album (i gave up pop and green day when i heard slayer) but some of the fills are pretty cool and i admire the drumming on hte song novacaine when the heavier part of the song comes on i still cant figure out what hes playing but whateva i dont mind Tré except his name i dont evan have to tell you why "Tré Cool" is getting bashed

If you want speed listen to slayer i used to green day is fast before i heard slayer and i discobered BLAST BEATS theyre insane gotta try em

Thanks and NO THANKS.

I think its a misplaced conception prevalent amongst youngsters to judge a drummer by whether you can pick up his licks/groove or not.
Ever wondered why best of breed drummers keep on repeating the same sentence AGAIN AND AGAIN that they are "trying to find deeper pockets" ??
You, myself, Bernhard, and the other members of this forum will play the same slam home 4/4 beat (1 and 3 on bass and 2 and 4 on snare) in the same tempo in the same drum .. but will sound different ........

why ??? go figure lad ;) ....

[ewanlaing]

i think his name is something something the third, so i can see why he changed it. tre cool has been playing drums for so long that he can't be bad, he just chooses not to show off and ruin a song by over drumming. i like to assume that every drummer you hear on cd can play whatever you hear very easily, and can play much better.

[Jaymasta]

Originally Posted by ewanlaing

i think his name is something something the third, so i can see why he changed it. tre cool has been playing drums for so long that he can't be bad, he just chooses not to show off and ruin a song by over drumming. i like to assume that every drummer you hear on cd can play whatever you hear very easily, and can play much better.

Frank Edwin Wright lll so that's why he changed it....

Originally Posted by Jaymasta

Frank Edwin Wright lll so that's why he changed it....

I'd keep the initial name for the irony stakes. And yes, 1 and 3 on bass, 2 and 4 on snare is THE way to go. Honestly, Tré (very) Cool... how could it be your real name? Unless you had some pretty progressive parents.

[FloEy]

yeah i also find it hard to believe that someone who has been playing for so long is not good. He must be somewhat better than what he puts out on the cds but hell we will never know unless a bootlegger at one of their shows catches him doing a drum solo. Someone earlier said that Greenday still is the same but I can tell you one thing that is different about the band, they add guitar solos in ther songs lol.

[ewanlaing]

yeah, i think that guitarist dude who plays with them all the time now should become a member. one of the best things about tre cool, he know how to have fun.

Originally Posted by Wegadrummer

yeah... a good example is the drummer for Him too.. he is not so good, but since the band are popular,he is sponsored..

again what do you mean 'he is not so good'? what are you better?
fact is he plays what suits the music, he plays in time, he is hired and kept on by a professional successful international band so he must be doing something right, also to those that find his playing too 'simplistic' well bear in mind - Valo writes all aspects of the songs and lyrics and may even be writing the drum parts as from what i understand he plays drums himself and is a competent rock drummer (listen to the Daniel Lioneye album 'The King of Rock n' Roll'). Valo may want nothing more than backbeats and the occasional fill. Fact is i really enjoy his drumming - though i would only throw in some stewart copeland/john bonham/travis barker 'clever' fills - stuff that fits 'backbeat' groove music but with just a little more flair. However i love HiM so a bias is there.
but as nutha_jason pointed out

Does Gas Lipstick (HiM drummer) stay in time? do his drum parts suit the songs (i find it as a say a bit siplistic but then the songs are the perfection of the art of simple but pwerful sounding songs)? is he competent/consisent live (i can personally confirm that)?

[wontgetfooledagain]

Is anybody else getting tired of pop/punk, punk, unkpae, or whatever you might want to call it? It seems like that's all you hear on the radio these days, and it's all the same.

[NUTHA JASON]

well emotional punk is in.

look, i've read this whole thread and i must say that some folks here do need to consider a wise old saying:

better to be quiet and let the world think you are a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

Tre cool is a very big part of greenday's sound and a clever drummer at that. there is a type of narrow minded generic snobbery on these types of threads. unless a drummer plays highly progressive jazz or rock (and in so doing prooves he has enormously varied chops) he cannot really be a great drummer. I don't care what anyone says, i know that, for example Phill Rudd is a great drummer. and he plays far more simpler stuff than tre. the fact is you need to look elsewhere on the scorecard and not just under 'can play very fast double bass' or 'can play very odd timesignatures' etc.

tre has some clever ideas.
take american idiot which my band plays. i had to study that song.
look at the drop out to bass drum pulse only parts at the end of each singing line in the verse ... 'don't wanna be an american idiot (dub! dub! dub! dub!). nice open space and contrasts well with the guitar and punk crash explosion that comes between. nodes and internodes. most drummers would have kept this successful formula throughout the verses in hte song.
but tre colours it a bit with an exciting and simple addition in the last two nodes of the second verse. he drops in a great backbeat snare and also adds in a ride on the floor tom. the contrast is still there but now there is an element of excitement and of course the song is more interesting. in terms of drumming this little alteration for me is the hook in the piece. this is great drumming. you only have to look for it.

j

[Jaymasta]

He really is a GREAT drummer he's been playing since he was 9 or 10 I think and he's 32. He was in his first band when he was 12 called The Lookouts He went to clown college and just look at him when he plays that's why some people wonder why he's crazy.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Well he isn't a bad drummer, but sure isn't a great drummer. I don't know how he can be named best drummer of the year.. maybe it was because Green Day was so popular, I don't know.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by NUTHA JASON

well emotional punk is in.

look, i've read this whole thread and i must say that some folks here do need to consider a wise old saying:

better to be quiet and let the world think you are a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

Tre cool is a very big part of greenday's sound and a clever drummer at that. there is a type of narrow minded generic snobbery on these types of threads. unless a drummer plays highly progressive jazz or rock (and in so doing prooves he has enormously varied chops) he cannot really be a great drummer. I don't care what anyone says, i know that, for example Phill Rudd is a great drummer. and he plays far more simpler stuff than tre. the fact is you need to look elsewhere on the scorecard and not just under 'can play very fast double bass' or 'can play very odd timesignatures' etc.


j

I definately agree. I think when a drummer starts to try to add too much "junk", he just messes the song up. Don't overdrum just to try to impress people you don't know. The trick is to fit the drumming to the style of the song / band. I also rate Charlie Watts along with Phil Rudd as classic drummers that keep it simple, they have perfect rythym and timing and are creative without becomming egocentric. "Satisfaction" is an easy one to use as an example: Basic beat throughout, but anything else would have made the song ordinary.
Tre' fits Greenday perfectly. He's not a Jazz drummer and he doesn't try to be, although he probably could be if he wanted to. I don't know the guy, don't know what he practices by himself. I doubt anyone else in this forum, who are bashing him, would know either!! Sounds like sour grapes to me....

[Sabian_Dragon]

Very true. I shall relate an example:

I had the opportunity of attending a "Battle Of The Bands". The location and time is not important. What is important is the fact that a band of kids had been friends since Junior High and most of them had played instruments during that time as well. The only difference was their drummer had only played drums for several weeks before the big performance.

His repertoire only consisted of hitting the snare and floor tom on every 2 and 4 count of the measure. The bass drum occupied the 1 and 3 counts and every now and then he would include a cymbal crash. His drum set alone only consisted of a snare, bass drum, floor tom, high hat, and crash cymbal (not even a ride cymbal).

The ending result was phenomenal; while some of the other drummers backstage gave a snicker for the "noob" and his "boom...bop...boom...bop" style of playing, the band sounded remarkably well-practiced as though each of them had played together for years. Personally, I was impressed because it proved that it doesn't take years of rudimental practice and procedure to do your job as a drummer. All you need to do is be a "creative metronome" that doesn't lose the time. Simplicity, I've learned, is sometimes what the audience wants more than complexity.

Also, if there was one thing that was nice, it was the fact that this kid had the luxury of moving his drum set onto the stage in one trip within ten seconds. Sometimes, complexity and simplicity doesn't just apply to the music alone...

[Jaymasta]

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http://music.aol.com/videos/sessions...&defaultID=503

well let me clear something up i can play all the songs but i had to practise them alot i agree he is a better drummer then me, but he is nothing special, and the only thing i dont like about him is name tré cool. if i changed my name to that i would smack myself 8 times then shove my head in a meat grinder. i do still listen to other types of music but i said i have up POP ROCK, i still listen to classic rock and some punk and a little jazz, but all that screaming kinda gets to you sometimes.

[(sic)]

he doesn't deserve too much attention.
he should concentrate on improving his "skill" than making faces for the camera.

[Bernhard]

Originally Posted by (sic)

he doesn't deserve too much attention.
he should concentrate on improving his "skill" than making faces for the camera.

No Sir

He has not "to improve his skills" - he's the perfect drummer for the perfect band for many, many years..... and making faces for the camera is exactly what's needed.

To all other bashers in their practice-rooms: yes improve your skills, so perhabs you get in the reach of a camera too...but only perhabs....


Bernhard

[dunchykong]

i think hes got a really cool name. cool is his last name. tre cool. did he change his name?

[Sticksman]

I consider myself a "good" drummer, in the loosest sense of the word, and I like to acquaint myself with all types of music. It's always good to have an open mind towards other genres, which include punk. While punk might not be my favorite style to play, it has its moments for me, and for the most part, it just feels good! It might not require the chops you hear in jazz fusion and progressive rock, but it still requires a certain amount of skill, eg. being able to play simple beats at high bpm, having good hi-hat foot skills, being able to NOT OVERPLAY, which for me, is a big problem in the drum world right now. But that's another story. There's a time and a place for heavy chops and technicality, but in certain genres, like punk, its not called for. Enter Tre Cool. I'm fairly sure he's a good drummer by any means, but whats important here is that he's playing what he likes in the music he likes. I'm sure he has chops and technique that would surprise most of us if we were to see them all. After all, he's been drumming for Green Day for almost 15 years... you have to have a certain high level of skill to show for after drumming professionally for that long.

Summary: Tre is good!