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Old 03-23-2007, 04:44 PM
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That's kind of you and you are a decent person.

And you did ask a legitimate question - this seems to be an exotic wood and was it sustainably taken? I have asked similar questions of others here. We should always consider the environmental impact of our instruments. Sure, instruments account for a tiny fraction of wood used worldwide, but each citizen of Earth needs to consider the impact of their consumption.
Thank you - so many people on forums like to hold grudges and start arguments purely because on the Internet they can remain anonymous, but Id rather not...

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I am seriously considering getting at least a snare to start and possibly a kit for the studio. I heard the clips on the site and was impressed. The drums sound incredible when recorded flat with no effects. Serious stuff.

Now to choose a snare size....

I think it's gonna be either 6.5" x 14" or 6.5" x 13".

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I am seriously considering getting at least a snare to start and possibly a kit for the studio. I heard the clips on the site and was impressed. The drums sound incredible when recorded flat with no effects. Serious stuff.

Now to choose a snare size....

I think it's gonna be either 6.5" x 14" or 6.5" x 13".

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I'm very happy with my 13 by 4 snare, as the 13 inch size gives great focus and snap and it's very sensitive at 4 inches.

If I had to do it over again, I would go with the 13 by 6.5 snare, though. I would like a little more throat from the snare. An ironwood shell gives so much sensitivity that I know a 6.5-inch-deep snare will still be incredibly sensitive, even though it's almost two-thirds deeper than a 4-incher.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:33 PM
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Update on kit:

In my never-ending quest to streamline and reduce my hardware, I did this following mod. I removed one of the legs from the DW ride stand (I play open handed, ride on left). I got one of those two-legged DW 5000 hats and removed the legs, clamping it to the "gimp" tripod. The foot plate of the hihat stand locks into place, so it serves as the missing leg of the tripod. So, instead of having up to six leg contact points, I have just two. This frees up room for another foot percussion pedal.

Setup minus cymbals. I put Velcro on the stands and clamp jaws, showing correct location during setup and preventing scratching. Two clamps ensure rock-solid support.


As installed in set. Stand leg placement gives plenty of room for foot pedals.


Close-up. I figure I saved a fair amount of bulk and about six pounds in hardware weight with the mod - which I of course immediately gained back with the second foot percussion pedal. The only downside is that setup is a bit trickier, as a two-leg cymbal stand doesn't stand up very well!
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:16 AM
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Cool idea. Your pedal setup looks great.

I notice that your talking drum pedal isn't in any of the pictures. Are you not using it anymore?
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A great idea! How did you actually remove the legs? Did you have to give them the good ol' hack-saw treatment?
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Old 06-29-2007, 05:55 PM
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Very beautiful set, never heard of it before, do you have any videos with it in action, I would love to hear it.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:48 PM
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Cool idea. Your pedal setup looks great.

I notice that your talking drum pedal isn't in any of the pictures. Are you not using it anymore?
I converted the talking drum to hand percussion use - see the mod at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23501, page two. I may still use it in the drum set, but right now I have four pedals to keep track of and that's plenty.
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:54 PM
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Wow, what genre do you do?? I am just wondering why there is a sitar player there lol.
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A great idea! How did you actually remove the legs? Did you have to give them the good ol' hack-saw treatment?
No. I used a Dremel to grind down the rivets in the hinges. I could put the legs back on if I ever needed. I would just need to get some bolts, washers and lock nuts.
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:57 PM
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Very beautiful set, never heard of it before, do you have any videos with it in action, I would love to hear it.
I do original word fusion music. Check out our band at www.terrasonus.com. So we have the sitar player and other unusual instruments.

Unfortunately, the sound samples on our Web site were recorded in April 2006 and I didn't have the ironwood set playable until September 2006, so I have no recordings of the ironwood set. But getting some recording with it is a priority, as soon as the band scrapes enough dough together to go back to the studio. In the meantime, you can hear sound samples at www.spiritdrums.com.
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I really like that kit. I checked into the Talkit mechanical talking drum and.... WOW it's gonna take me a long time to save that much. However, I think I'm gonna start now, because it's intriguing, and I can envision a whole lot of uses.
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Nice website, great music and a beautiful kit. I would love to hear it sometime.
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:18 AM
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I really like that kit. I checked into the Talkit mechanical talking drum and.... WOW it's gonna take me a long time to save that much. However, I think I'm gonna start now, because it's intriguing, and I can envision a whole lot of uses.
The Talkit (www.b-radpercussion.com) is an amazing drum and very expressive. I've modified the rim for hand percussion playing with two congas, which is how I mainly use it. He has a six-inch model that costs less and you might want to check that out.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:42 PM
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So beautiful DMC, and innovative with all your special touches. The idea of fusing the hat stand with the cymbal stand is brilliant.
I suppose shipping from Australia cost practically as much as the kit? LOL
Did it you take you awhile to develop the technique to play the Duellist?
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Nice looking kit.... another great Australian made kit :) How would they compare to Brady I wonder? Anyone know?

I thought about Spirit drums before I got my DW deal a few years ago, but someone was telling me the shells are very heavy to lift.
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Nice looking kit.... another great Australian made kit :) How would they compare to Brady I wonder? Anyone know?

I thought about Spirit drums before I got my DW deal a few years ago, but someone was telling me the shells are very heavy to lift.
Different animals. Jarrah ply drums won't sound as meaty and full as the Spirits. They'll also weigh about 1/8 of what the Spirits weigh. Solid shells will be heavy, especially when the timber they're made of is so dense it sinks.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:23 AM
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Different animals. Jarrah ply drums won't sound as meaty and full as the Spirits. They'll also weigh about 1/8 of what the Spirits weigh. Solid shells will be heavy, especially when the timber they're made of is so dense it sinks.
Just what I was going to say. Bradys are fine drums and they even make a few solid shell snares. Ironwood is indeed heavy, with a specific gravity of 1.2 (1.2 times as heavy as water, which is why it sinks) and the shells are a half-inch thick. Maple has a SG of about .50 and that no doubt gets lower when made into plies with glue. So a half-inch-thick solid-shell ironwood drum should weigh about three times a half-inch-thick maple ply shell. I know I get three times the sound out of my Spirits.

I get used to the weight - I need to lose weight more than my drums! My Spirits sound like big drums and weigh as much as big drums, but they are the size of small drums.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:29 AM
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Nice looking kit.... another great Australian made kit :) How would they compare to Brady I wonder? Anyone know?

I thought about Spirit drums before I got my DW deal a few years ago, but someone was telling me the shells are very heavy to lift.
HAHA! about the Australian kit. People don't know what to make of it and it sounds even more exotic coming from Australia.

I justed wanted to say I checked out your site and it's really inspiring. What a neat career you have made for yourself! I have known people with cerebral palsy and I could never have thought someone could play an instrument with such an obstacle. I guess anything is possible if someone is determined enough.

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Old 10-02-2007, 03:26 PM
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Thanks mate, havent made a lot of money out of it, but I do this stuff cos I love playing drums.

Anyone can do something if they persevere with it long enough :)

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These are awesome drums. I have had this theory for a while about making drum but never had the tools for the execution.
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These are awesome drums. I have had this theory for a while about making drum but never had the tools for the execution.
Thanks. While this is an unusual way to make drums nowadays, the solid shell is actually the most ancient way of making a drum. Modern machinery makes it easier, but it's still difficult. You'd have to get entire whole logs, cut them and have special lathing machinery to finish them off. There are a few companies doing it.

Even non-drummers can tell these drums are unusual. They have a primitive, wild look about them and a primitive, wild sound. Even the badges are branded on.
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I have radically restructured the set. I have been looking to shake up the set, as I think it's good to do that every few years at least. I have always liked the look of flat drums and low cymbals. This way of playing is taking some adjustment, but it not inherently any harder or easier than playing with angled drums, just different. I took a two-way level to the drums to make sure they are perfectly level.

I'd like comments on the appearance of the set. I have relatively few stands, as I like an uncluttered floor, but I use a lot of Dog Bones and Puppy Bones to pile all the cymbals on, so I have more hardware higher up. I have the same complement of cymbals as before, with the addition of a six-inch LP ice bell between the ride and 8-inch splash.













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I presume you're quite a tall chap? That would be far too much a reach for myself.
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I'd be angling those toms in a little personally, they seem a little too awkward to play due to their height above the snare and the lack of angle. Different strokes for different folks I guess
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I have radically restructured the set. I have been looking to shake up the set, as I think it's good to do that every few years at least. I have always liked the look of flat drums and low cymbals. This way of playing is taking some adjustment, but it not inherently any harder or easier than playing with angled drums, just different. I took a two-way level to the drums to make sure they are perfectly level.

I'd like comments on the appearance of the set. I have relatively few stands, as I like an uncluttered floor, but I use a lot of Dog Bones and Puppy Bones to pile all the cymbals on, so I have more hardware higher up. I have the same complement of cymbals as before, with the addition of a six-inch LP ice bell between the ride and 8-inch splash.













The photos were at the end of the third page so I am reposting them here.

Ozzy, you are right in that it is taking some adjustment. If it winds up being too much to cope with, I will go back to angling them. One of the reasons I'm doing this is to shake up my approach to the drum set - people will strip down to a four-piece, for example, or rearrange their cymbals.
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Right now I might have to just come across the pond and steal those drums. Unfortunately they'd probably weigh down my car too much and damage the suspension. What can I say that hasn't already been said? I like the idea of the new arrangement a lot; definitely worth shaking up your approach once in a while.
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Hey, I know what you mean by shaking things up a bit. I've only just started using my floor tom again; that brings the kit I'm playing up to a 3 piece with hats, ride and a cowbell. Gotta have the cowbell. Have you thought about putting that percussion 'tree' you rigged up next to your kit, maybe on the left side?
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Looks pretty cool. Personally with a setup like that I'd raise the snare and hi-hat and just play it standing, like a giant cocktail kit.

Also what is hanging from Tom 3? Is it a setlist?
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That looks cool but horridly uncomfortable. No height difference between floors and racks, I find once I start to pivot my body the natural pull is for my body to move downwards.
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DMC,
So how does it feel playing the kit this way? I love your set-up of 3-up toms, but I would definitely have to have the floor sitting at a more traditional height. Still, your kit is one of my favorites that I would love to play on this forum.
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but don't you think that the tom's must become more youre way
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W.O.W.

That, my friend, is the most amazing drum set ever. And the most costly too! Considering the prices (whether monetary or amount of trouble you underwent to get it) of the pedal-powered talking drum, the hang drum, the dualist, the ironwood set, etc. must be a very lucky (or rich, lol) guy!
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That, my friend, is the most amazing drum set ever. And the most costly too! Considering the prices (whether monetary or amount of trouble you underwent to get it) of the pedal-powered talking drum, the hang drum, the dualist, the ironwood set, etc. must be a very lucky (or rich, lol) guy!
Some people spend money on sex, drugs, rock&roll, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, cars, bikes, gambling, trips etc. and some people (like me) lead a boring and inexpensive life...

...but own a frickin' nice drum kit!
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...but own a frickin' nice drum kit!
Hey I resemble that comment too except for only one i'll make it a few LOL!.
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How come I missed this kit. That is an aesthetic statement , DMC. Do they sound as good as they look?
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:21 PM
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How come I missed this kit. That is an aesthetic statement , DMC. Do they sound as good as they look?
I love the sound, but I love the sound of deep drums. They have a rich, strong, authoritative sound (even though the are petite sizes) but they're not suitable for all genres. Listen to sound samples at www.spiritdrums.com.

To really appreciate the beauty of the wood you need to take them into the sun or strong lighting. They've got figuring similar to bubinga.
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W.O.W.

That, my friend, is the most amazing drum set ever. And the most costly too! Considering the prices (whether monetary or amount of trouble you underwent to get it) of the pedal-powered talking drum, the hang drum, the dualist, the ironwood set, etc. must be a very lucky (or rich, lol) guy!
It hasn't been cheap or easy, but I've been collecting instruments for more than 20 years. I wonder what I'll be playing in another 20 - gives you something to look forward to as you age. I don't lead a very extravagant life otherwise. I think Wavelength summed it up well.
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