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Old 04-08-2006, 09:26 AM
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I think I hit harder than anybody I know. I never did rimshots until I took my first lesson w/Bissonette. Have done them ever since. I would say I hit harder than Gregg. I have also worked out for ten years and am stronger than I used to be. Dont know if thats a factor but I did break an Easton plastic stick. I could bend it in the middle. Now what I do is use clear moving or packing tape and and use about an eight inch piece and wrap about a two inch area in the middle. They last about 3-4 times longer.
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Old 04-16-2006, 04:54 AM
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its because ur a drummer... that involves breaking sticks.
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Old 04-16-2006, 05:49 AM
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I tend to drift toward Hickory (Vic Firth 5A American Hickory, 2B for practice, 7A for lighter stuff) for it's shock absorbency. My hands and fingers (and arms haha) stay perfectly comfortable, I play bonham stuff, heaps of rimshots and metal, and need new sticks maybe 3-4 times a year.
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Old 04-18-2006, 01:40 AM
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when i first started playing 5 months ago i would go through sticks every week but i've worked on my technique and i've found that the better i get the longer my sticks last. BTW i use Zildjian hickory 5A.

PS how much do you guys spend on a pair of sticks?
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Old 04-18-2006, 02:00 AM
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try changing the angle of your cymbols, i used to play with cymbols flat this shreded my sticks (like once a week) but now their at an angle (30 ish degrees) both sticks and cymbols last much loger
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:03 AM
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dosent the chad smith siganture stick (vater i think) have a smaller stick grip area, and a thicker end and tip? i could be mistaken... if so the thin grip area could give you the feel of a smaller stick, and the rest could stand up better to cymbals...
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:10 AM
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You gotta be hitting at the most akward angles, and way to hard to be breaking them after 10 minutes. I'm a hard-hitter as well and I can wail on my hi-hats and cymbals and my sticks last a good 2 weeks, vic firth american rock. If their breaking after 10 minutes something is wrong
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Old 04-28-2006, 06:48 AM
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If you're breaking heads, you're hitting too hard. I know because used to bash too. I broke sticks, a few heads and a few too many cymbals. I destroyed the no-name brand cymbals that came with my kit and broke two AA crashes too.

Learn the Moeller stuff. Get that shocking force out of the equation so you're not hurting your kit and your body.

Since learning the Moeller grip / philosophy, my wrists don't hurt nearly as much. I play better and have way more fun. I also almost never break sticks any more, even with hard rimshots on die-cast rims. And my heads lose their tone before they have any of the divots in them.

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Old 04-28-2006, 06:37 PM
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whats up guys,
to explain my problem, i play a wide range of music. mostly now i have been playin a lot of metal/punk kinda thing. I have a problem of breakin sticks within like 10 minutes of playing. Some people say i play to hard, but thats rediculous, i beleive playing hard is the best way to go. But do any of you have any suggestions on which sticks would be best.
(also, id rather go with skinnier sticks than bulky ones, they feel better and i play better single rolls with them)

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Hey Sean.

I weigh about 190lbs. and I hit hard enough that I can be heard from over two blocks away when I'm practicing, but I haven't broken any sticks, yet. I think, like some of the others have written, that you need to examine your technique.

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Old 04-29-2006, 07:54 AM
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Amen. And you know what it is? I have made a habit to watch various drummers I stumble across who mention that they break sticks and cymbals alot, be it on the road or in various studios. In almost every case, the drummers had no technique at all as far as glancing the heads and cymbals in a circular motion, every hit on every surface is a direct, straight down bash----and then the wrist comes flying back, because by going up and down in a linear fashion, they can't get their wrists "out of the way" of the rebound. This technique, or lack thereof, is in my opinion why some drummers can't make a pair of sticks last more than a day or two.

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Old 05-04-2006, 05:21 AM
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i almost never break my sticks. But recently i got into doing alot of rim shots (or whatever its called when you smack the stick against the head and the rim at the same time) and i went through 3 pairs in one day all of the sudden. Im now done with rim shots. Has anyone else had this problem? am i doing somthing wrong thats making that happen? i dont have to much money to buy sticks, and i dont want this to keep happening.
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Old 05-04-2006, 05:38 AM
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That happens to me all the time too, but mostly I get rid of the sticks before they break.
Unfortunately when wood hits metal something has to give, and in that case it will be the wood.
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Old 05-04-2006, 06:30 AM
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whats up guys,
to explain my problem, i play a wide range of music. mostly now i have been playin a lot of metal/punk kinda thing. I have a problem of breakin sticks within like 10 minutes of playing. Some people say i play to hard, but thats rediculous, i beleive playing hard is the best way to go. But do any of you have any suggestions on which sticks would be best.
(also, id rather go with skinnier sticks than bulky ones, they feel better and i play better single rolls with them)

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I also hit pretty hard. If i hit to hard on my ride (bell) I will break it at the shoulder.
For rim shots they fall apart in the middle. What I have done is take clear packing or moving tape and wrap a thin layer, about 6 inches long, around the middle (2 inch wrapped tight in rim shot area) and right under the head of the stick . About 1 inch. They last about three times longer.
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Old 05-04-2006, 07:50 AM
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I hit hard, do lots of rimshots, and almost never break sticks. I wear them out because they chip away at the shoulder (mostly from the hi-hat), but only break one or two pairs a year.

I think it's an issue of holding the stick too tightly, maybe. I don't know without watching you play. Try to let the stick "breathe" and rebound naturally, and don't try to play through the head. You get more volume and a better quality sound playing more loosely - volume comes from the velocity of the stick, not from pushing it into the head.

Also, you need decent sticks to start with. If you buy them out of the bargain bin, they'll almost surely break more quickly than a good quality oak or hickory stick.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
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Old 05-04-2006, 08:16 AM
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Read the two other threads exactly like this
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Old 05-04-2006, 02:43 PM
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Stick durability will be reduced from rim shots. Metal vs. Wood is not really a competition as it is a massacre.

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Old 05-07-2006, 04:11 AM
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whats up guys,
to explain my problem, i play a wide range of music. mostly now i have been playin a lot of metal/punk kinda thing. I have a problem of breakin sticks within like 10 minutes of playing. Some people say i play to hard, but thats rediculous, i beleive playing hard is the best way to go. But do any of you have any suggestions on which sticks would be best.
(also, id rather go with skinnier sticks than bulky ones, they feel better and i play better single rolls with them)

Sean

oh the people who tell you you're playing too hard are right. you know dude, no offense, but all the drummers i encounter who proclaim that playing hard is the way to go are 1. noobs or 2. long-time drummers that never learned or 3. very stubborn dudes who dont listen to their drum teachers. and friends and other drumemrs.

you know dude i bet i can whip up a louder sound than you do :P. i play metal and hard rock too and 75% alternative..

i know of this guy, a drummer in a highschool band [from my school of course] who opened for pro bands in a concert... dude he's got louder sound than the other pro rock bands there, and he hits more softly than the pro bands' drummers... point: playing hard isnt the way to go.

im ok with people who hit hard with good technique [imean sometimes you cant avoid it if you like have compulsively insane big muscles] . im not ok with people who use hard hitting as their technique..

oh about the sticks.... for my whole life i only owned two sticks. the first one broke only because it was chewed by the dog and it gave while i was playing jazz. the 2nd one is a 7A hickory noname... i still have it, around a year already. oh and did i mention i loooove rimshots and i play metal and hard rock?

oh yeah, there's also my friend who had owns a pearl forum. he still uses the vic firths that came with it. around more than a year now.. his drum teacher never looked at his hi hat hits so basically all the time he owned that pair of sticks he's been hitting the hats with the shoulder of the sticks right on the edge. the stick wont give, i tell you i think its possessed. im more concerned now about his brass hi hats. i think theyre gonna break sooner than the sticks hahaha :P
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Old 05-13-2006, 12:19 PM
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okay heres my story,

i started with 5as broke them in an hour, moved to expensive 5bs, they broke in two days,
went up to 2bs, still broke in a week,

then i found myself getting a pair of m4s from a bargin bin for 10 bucks, lasted me for three months, just becasue thats how long it took to chew through them, i then was told that it was my technique and my kit set up. i flattened out my toms(witch were almost vertical) and stopped hitting so hard.

i continued using m4s untill i started to do fast fills and stuff, they were just too heavey to be able to go fast with. i now use rotate between maple 5as and maple bs. and they are great and very light too. and i get them for 5 bucks a pair.

heres my advice, dont tape ur sticks,(or at least not with gaffer tape) mit made me become very heavy handed. and try and find out if it is your technique, or your kit set up.
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Old 05-13-2006, 05:25 PM
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I break sticks like it's my job. I bought a pair of Vater 5A's and broke a stick within a week of playing them. This is not good. I do play hard and hit rimshots hard as well, which seems to make them break the most. The type of music I play however requires me to hit hard.

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Old 05-14-2006, 05:35 AM
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i play rimshots and crossticks all of the time and in 3 years ive broken 2 sticks! When i first started i had only one pair (vic Virth 5A's) i had them for 1 year and a half. I didnt go out and buy n ew sticks because i didnt feel the need to, i liked 5A's. Then after a year and a half one broke so i got another pair 4 months later one of the new sticks broke so for 1 week i was using one 5A from my old pair and one stick from the new pair then the tip broke in half one the old stick. Thats when i went out and tryed sticks. I ended up getting sum rock sticks which i dont use at all, (i only got them cause i was experimenting) the Steve Gadd Vic Virth sticks and a pair of Vater 7A's. I use the 7A's and the Gadd sticks all the time now. I've had them for a while now and they haven't broken chipped splintered or shown any sign they are weakening. A bit of the black laquar finish on the Gadd's is starting to wear off but thats it. Otherwise they're new.
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Old 05-14-2006, 05:37 AM
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I forgot to say that of course i do have a back up pair of vater 7a's and Gadds so i have to pairs of each, but they are still in the pack. I carry them with all the time of course, for if the others brake but i ve never needed to touch them.
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Old 05-17-2006, 09:12 AM
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I have been playing drums for about 8 months now and i think i have broke about 6 to 7 sticks. My hihat is sharp on the edges and it seems to eat away my sticks really fast. That is the only reasoon my sticks break. I tried putting tape around my hihat edges but that makes a funny sound on my hihat and my sticks cut through the tape anyway. Do you have any suggestions on how to fix this so the sticks don't break
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Old 05-17-2006, 07:08 PM
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I have a nice collection of assorted wood sticks that lasted an average of a couple of hours a set. Technique could have been the problem and i lowered the height of my hats and tried to change my style to compensate which i didn't like. I changed to Ahead Lars Ulrich signature sticks and found that they suit me well for the style i like to play. Still I have snapped 6 sets in 2 years and they don't sound as good as wood. But i dont mind as long as i have a smile on my face whilst keeping the pace
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:30 AM
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I've totaled three pairs of sticks so far on my new drumset since I got it, probably around two months back. Is that too often? I use vic firth 5B's, and I'm thinking I've trying Vater to see if they're more durable ... either their 5B or the Josh Freese signature

what do you think? Am I breaking (they don't actually break, they just fray and split to impossible-to-play degrees) these things too often and I should try tougher sticks? I know there was a thread a while back about vic firth losing quality and stuff ....

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Old 05-18-2006, 01:48 PM
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but they are real heavy and fat
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I've been playing for just over two years and am hardly "SEASONED". I also seem to go thru sticks rather quickly. It seems to always be the right stick..... What am I hitting wrong the is causing so much abuse? Maybe to much hi-hat rim? unsure.
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Old 06-06-2006, 11:43 AM
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I have already broken two pairs of Ahead TLee Concert while playing rimshots! Yeah, they're all breaking right in a middle.
By Eck it's so nice to see somebody else snap ahead sticks haha

I'm on my 3rd pair since january, and really enjoy using these over wooden sticks, I find my hands and arms don't get quite so tired as they absorb most of the vibration. It is true they don't feel like wood sticks, but they are identical and perfectly ballanced every time. I do miss wood sticks at times, but as soon as I try them again I get white fingers from the vibration, and a carpet that looks like a workshop floor as I like to rim my snare quite a lot.
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:41 PM
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I seriously don't get it. I sometimes DON'T play rimshots, my sticks hold up, and I don't get sore hands/arms, except for when I haven't played for a few days and my grip is tighter because I got out of it. My sticks last 2-3 months, currently 7A's (dips, does anybody else think Zildjian should just stick to cymbals?) lasted 2 months. Do you guys use hickory sticks? It has shock absorbing properties, useful for rimshots.

I play hard on a cowbell, rimshots, shoulder on the ride bell and heaps of potentially stick damaging acts, I have only ever actually broken 2 sticks (and 1 out of anger, it was old and had a crack, hehehe.)

Not looking down on anyone or trying to be superior, I just don't think somebody should play that hard, it leaves nowhere to go dynamically.
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Old 06-08-2006, 12:51 AM
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At, guitar center i needed a lot of sticks cheap, so I but 6 pairs of "Sound Purecussion" 5B's and that was about 3 months ago. My first pair of em haven't broken yet.
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Old 06-11-2006, 01:46 PM
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At, guitar center i needed a lot of sticks cheap, so I but 6 pairs of "Sound Purecussion" 5B's and that was about 3 months ago. My first pair of em haven't broken yet.
Thanks for the tip - I had a change & brought 3 pairs of Zildjian 5B Dip - all 3 pairs were broke in the space of 2 weeks - I was not impressed.
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Old 06-15-2006, 01:37 AM
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i dunno if anyone else has found this but i find that vic firths break a lot more easily than other brands. my vater chad smith signatures have chipped at the top : / Pro mark and Shaw X sticks are my faves and break a lot less. i play all styles from rock to jazz, so these sticks feel the wrath of all tyres of music
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Old 07-06-2006, 05:48 PM
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i dunno if anyone else has found this but i find that vic firths break a lot more easily than other brands. my vater chad smith signatures have chipped at the top : / Pro mark and Shaw X sticks are my faves and break a lot less. i play all styles from rock to jazz, so these sticks feel the wrath of all tyres of music
I have never had a problem breaking sticks.. but i used to go through cheap cymbals like there was no tomarrow. I used firths now.. and they seem to hold up Really well. they barley even chip.. But promark will always be my fav.
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Old 07-06-2006, 10:17 PM
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I have a damaged nerve to my right hand - which means that my grip is not as strong as I would like & end up throwing the stix about.

HOWEVER - I have found these stix & the are great. They help me keep a good grip & are good quality too. (Look out for the notch about a 1/3rd up.)



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Old 07-07-2006, 04:11 AM
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I bought another set of sticks about 1 and a half weeks ago and one pair that i got where those Zildjian Trilok Guruto one's. I liked them in he shop but when i played with them on my kit. I tell you now i've never played a more umcomfortable stick in my life(Im not talking dimensions or finish feel here). The viabrations just go right through the stick. I cant play with them. Just doesn't absorb any of the viabrations at all. I find Vater are extremly durable. But they slip in my hands cause they're so smooth.
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Old 07-07-2006, 06:56 AM
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I bought another set of sticks about 1 and a half weeks ago and one pair that i got where those Zildjian Trilok Guruto one's. I liked them in he shop but when i played with them on my kit. I tell you now i've never played a more umcomfortable stick in my life(Im not talking dimensions or finish feel here). The viabrations just go right through the stick. I cant play with them. Just doesn't absorb any of the viabrations at all. I find Vater are extremly durable. But they slip in my hands cause they're so smooth.
i tried vaters -- and had the same results on the sticks i tried. I know that a lot of people love vaters, but i found they had too much stick vibration and i was not a fan of their finish at all. I ran back to my gadd sigs, and while they do chip and shread like nobodys business, they are still the most comfortable sticks i have ever used.
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Old 07-08-2006, 04:25 AM
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Hmm.. Sometimes i can feel the viabrations from vater, but not really. ut they are (i think) prob the strongest sticks out there(wooden) but its the finish. Sometimes, depends on wat my hands are like at the time but 60% they're too slippery
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Old 07-26-2006, 12:55 AM
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I'm against carbo sicks for this simple reason. When you strike a drum, most of the energy goes into the drum head or cymbal. Some of it doesnt. Especially when doing rimshots alot of tthe enery doesnt make it to the drum.
With wood sticks its absorbed by the wood, resulting in wood (small) vibration, chipping, and sound(good).
With carbon the energy is not so much absorbed by the stick. If it is it comes back as vibrations (bad). If it doesnt, it goes into your drum's rims and shell (bad).

Somethings gotta give. Something is getting damaged by all that extra energy not being absorbed by your wooden sticks. Id rather it be a $5 pair of sticks than a $500 snare.[/
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Old 07-29-2006, 11:57 PM
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Right so heres the story. I went into my local drum shop and was told to avoid zildjian sticks as they break easily. I thought i would try them out anyway (Zildjian 7a) and they really do seem quite tough. I have tryed many sticks and these are great.

What are your experiences with Zildjian sticks?
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Old 08-06-2006, 08:17 PM
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You might actually want to try 5b carbo sticks or ahead. They might last you a lot longer.
At the time I broke around 1 pair every 3 weeks, I smashed the carbos 5B after a couple of days, ... On top of that they feel and sound less good.
I still believe the key to breaking as few sticks as possible is developping the right hitting-technique.
After a while It took 2-3 months after I broke VF 5A's instead of 2-3 weeks.
My current problem though, is that the tip of the tips easily breaks, Then offcourse you have to put them away, as you don't want to damage tour heads at the same time...
irritating, going to try out some other brands.
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Old 08-19-2006, 11:39 PM
FilthyRichDrums FilthyRichDrums is offline
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Default Re: BREAKING STICKS

I started to take a liking to the Taylor Hawkins Sig. Series. I liked the weight, and they held up really well, until the show last week. I broke them in the middle of the 3rd song! But, I also cracked on of my cymbals that night, so maybe it was just how I was playing?
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