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Old 02-26-2006, 04:02 AM
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yah, your sticks look like mine, and i have vaters too. i don't know why, but i keep all my

broken sticks... does anyone else?
haha yea i do the same thing keep those broken sticks and also the first pair a ever had
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:07 AM
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How can you play with proper technique when you're hitting that hard?
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:21 AM
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haha yea i do the same thing keep those broken sticks and also the first pair a ever had
i never broke the first pair of sticks i had... i switched to 5a's before my gigantic 2b's were even close.
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:24 AM
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First pair of sticks i got when i was 6 or 7. Jo Jos. Anyone herd of em? big fat peices of garbage. Break easily. Only way a 6 year old cud break a stick.
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Old 02-26-2006, 08:08 AM
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Sorry nutha, I have never broken a stick with a few hits like that..all mine break due to getting whittled down by my funkya$$ hi-hat linear grooves!
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Old 02-26-2006, 08:13 AM
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i love rimshots.
this is after one gig...its a vater 5a.
NJ You ANIMAL welcome to the club if you do rimshots you are gpoing to break sticks But it SOUNDS so GOOD!!!!!
Yes If I used 5As I would break them in one set usually.
Anything under the 2B size would be easily destroyed in one night...
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Old 02-26-2006, 09:42 AM
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thanks tim.

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How can you play with proper technique when you're hitting that hard?
actually damage like this shows i'm using the right technique for a rimshot. all the energy is staying at the stick and not going into my hands...i pretty much let go of the stick at the very moment of impact...so no injuries.

anyone who claims they never break sticks because they always use the 'right' techniques has seriously not experienced the live drumming of many pros. depending on the style and song a pro drummer will often get through some sticks in a single performance.

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Old 02-26-2006, 10:14 AM
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anyone who claims they never break sticks because they always use the 'right' techniques has seriously not experienced the live drumming of many pros. depending on the style and song a pro drummer will often get through some sticks in a single performance.

Well, kind of true? I don't break sticks, period. Most of my sticks make it about 3 to 4 three hour sets before I swap them out (shoulder getting whittled down to dangerously close to breaking). I use anything from 7a's to 747s.

Carter Beauford, though, on DMB vids is seen going through a couple pairs of sticks every 3 or 4 songs. (With his sig. stick which is roughly a 747, or a between 5a/b). They start to break and he just chucks it and grabs a new one.

My complaint is guys who break sticks with one or two hits. Pounding the drum versus playing the drum.

Think of cymbalsfearme's picture, and I think that is more normal. The other picture with fraying wood looks common too, but the rim shot marks are way down where my fingers would be! Yikes.
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Old 02-26-2006, 11:33 AM
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...has anyone tried those carbon fibre sticks?
i've been using a pair for about a year and they are still in good condition. i'm not sure what brand they are because it has worn off...
the only problem with them is they de-tune my toms when i rimshot them (which is often)
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Old 02-26-2006, 01:31 PM
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Yeah, carbon fibre sticks will not break i've used a pair for a couple of years. Like the rest of you the rimshots can finish off my wooden sticks in short order. Unfortunately carbosticks leave marks and feel quite different, but if you've had it with buying new sticks every couple of weeks, they could be a way to go.
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Old 02-26-2006, 02:00 PM
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i hit very hard but i've never broken a stick, probably because i can't hit rimshots very well.

in the janury edition of "Rhythm" there's an interview with billy ward and he says he can't remember the last time he broke a stick. apparently, 10 pairs of sticks is enough to last steve gadd two years.
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:14 PM
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Are you talking about my picture? The fraying is nearly dead center on the stick and yes there are some dents above the fray. It mostly comes from stick travel in my hand from sweat. Until I can regrab the stick, the dents are going to move towards the butt of the stick.

I will also play with the butt end from time to time (big band) going from side-stick to butt end to kick the tune.

Do you hold traditional? When I held that stick traditional those dents were close to my left hand. I actually did tear off the skin of my knuckle on the rim playing traditional.

As for my technique - my technique is fine. I don't break sticks either. I swap them when they fraying gets too much or the tip gets chewed off. This particular stick is close.

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The other picture with fraying wood looks common too, but the rim shot marks are way down where my fingers would be! Yikes.
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Old 02-26-2006, 05:01 PM
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lol, im glad im not your drumsticks :D
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Old 02-26-2006, 05:07 PM
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nor my snare.

whack! yeeeow!
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Old 02-26-2006, 06:00 PM
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Nice, NJ.
I break sticks like that playing jazz too often.
It's well known now that upright bass players can't afford not to plug in when i'm playing... haha. No, really, I play quiet most of the time, but I like to let 'er rip sometimes too.
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Old 02-26-2006, 06:05 PM
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I break sticks all the time but (but not like this) yet again, I use the cheap ones that you buy in huge bundels for like 12 bucks a pack. I should probably invest in the aluminum rubber coated sticks that never break.
Are you refering to Ahead sticks? Those DO break, trust me. They are cute though.
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:01 PM
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I think if you hit that hard, which I do, you need to use a thick durable drumstick. I use SD1 General's and flip the stick around on my right hand so that I am hitting the hi-hat with the fat end of the stick. I can get a pair to last a good 2-3 months before I break them. Plus you get a much deeper sound when you hit a tom with the fat end of the stick, sounds cool.
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:06 PM
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If you want double butt ends, Vater makes a sig. Morgan Rose sticks that are both butt ends. They are on musiciansfrind and they are like $ 7.50
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:13 PM
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If you want double butt ends, Vater makes a sig. Morgan Rose sticks that are both butt ends. They are on musiciansfrind and they are like $ 7.50
I only use the butt end on my right hand, still use the tip end for my left.
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:34 PM
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Oh i see, you probably wouldnt want those then
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Old 02-26-2006, 08:17 PM
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I go back and forth between 5a and 5b Vader sticks and I notice that I actually break more of the 5b's than the 5a's and I think its because of the extra leverage I hit harder. Anyone else notice this.
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Old 02-26-2006, 08:37 PM
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What is the point of hitting that hard?

Looks like your getting more rim than head.
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Old 02-26-2006, 09:10 PM
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Looks like your getting more rim than head.
Thats a funny sentence.
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Old 02-26-2006, 09:17 PM
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absolute lol.

but i don't drum that side of the drum.

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Old 02-26-2006, 09:33 PM
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Anyone here ever break an Ahead stick? I have! Snapped that shaft right in half.
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Old 02-27-2006, 12:29 AM
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Anyone here ever break an Ahead stick? I have! Snapped that shaft right in half.
Yes, they are overpriced twigs.
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Old 02-27-2006, 06:30 AM
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i break sticks like that from time to time. i think it happens more out of luck than anything else. sometimes you come down at just the right angle that the stick kind of shatters in your hand. rimshots are too fun to not hit them hard. for all the technique questions, it's more a matter of science than technique. basically, no amount of technique can change the fact that wood is softer than metal, hence broken sticks. you could go to a bigger stick, but that might compromise your sound.
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Old 02-27-2006, 05:08 PM
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Too bad there isn't a drumstick recycling program where your payed a nickle to turn in a pair of broken sticks, same like they do with soda cans/bottles...............Maybe some of the proceeds can go to making recycled sticks and to help other Drummers around the world who have illnesses/impairments...etc.


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Old 02-27-2006, 05:13 PM
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I doubt you can recycle a stick. You'd have to put so much glue into the recycled stick that you'd lose the wood feeling of the stick, so why not use a graphite or cabon fiber stick...
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Old 02-27-2006, 05:28 PM
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haha, yes I understand what you mean.........:-)

But I mean recycle interms of processing the wood (from the broken sticks) into a new fiber material which involves alot of machinery and pulping.

But its just wishful thinking.....

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Old 02-28-2006, 05:05 AM
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Pro-Mark 747 Oak, wood tips....the Neil Peart signature model.

I have never broken a single one of these sticks. For gigs, I use a new pair, but for practice I use the whittled down old sticks. They frey and get chewed up, but I seriously have never snapped one.

To be honest I don't use the sticks for the durability, I originally tried them because Peart is my drum god (I admit I've bought a few things because of this). But now I am used to them, and no other stick feels right to me for normal playing. The durability of oak is just an added bonus..
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:40 AM
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I think if you hit that hard, which I do, you need to use a thick durable drumstick. I use SD1 General's .
i tried out a pair for the first time, and a stick broke the first day! it had to have been a bad stick.


playing traditional, i really rely on rimshots. lately, i've been hitting lighter and using dynamics a lot more. i play at a much reduced volume and my sticks last longer as a result. still loud, but instead of 90% volume maybe 50%
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I snapped this stick while playing today and it broke way down by the end. Its a cheap one from MF.
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Old 03-01-2006, 04:12 PM
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Bad piece of wood. Nothing to do with your playing. I had Vic Firth sticks that used to do that. They'd split clean like with minimal use.

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Old 03-02-2006, 02:21 AM
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Yeah, I think those are made out of pine. Or might as well be.
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Old 03-02-2006, 03:23 AM
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Yeah, I think those are made out of pine. Or might as well be.
I didnt really care because i got them from MF for 10 pairs for $10
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Old 03-02-2006, 06:03 AM
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Yeah, when I ordered a snare drum through TomLee music they included a free pair of cheapo sticks and a drum key. I actually like the drum key, it has a hole for a keychain. The sticks probably won't ever be used by me, waaaaay too light.
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Old 03-02-2006, 08:59 AM
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Yeah, the 747 Oaks are a definite recommendation for you stick breakers. Be warned, they weigh much more than hickory, and they shoot vibes right up your elbows, but those suckers refuse to break!

I use them for light funk playing because they withstand the "whittling" effect of hi-hat edges more than hickory.
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Old 03-02-2006, 11:36 AM
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Yeah, hi hats will chew up any wooden stick, eventually.

I was thinking about those metal sticks (ahead?) and although I've never used them, it seems like they could contribute to premature hi-hat breakage, since the shoulder of the stick is used so much. And if they were coated with something softer (are they?) I would think the response would be poor everywhere but the tip.
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Old 03-02-2006, 11:58 AM
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The sleeves on the ahead sticks actually do get chewed up...you have to replace them after a while. So its the carbon fibre sleeve, rather than metal, striking the hi-hat.
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