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Yamaha.... Wish i had gone that route :( one day though i will..
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Why not just buy another set of Signias?

There are several sets on Reverb and Ebay right now.
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Why not just buy another set of Signias?

There are several sets on Reverb and Ebay right now.
My thoughts exactly. They go for a good price nowadays.
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Ill listen to some on youtube
This video provides a good demo of how the Renowns sound, in a variety of tunings, with the stock heads (clear Remo Emperors over Ambassadors). This is the newest Renown, and RN2, which has 3mm double-flanged "302" hoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W1kzU07Uro


This video is of the older RN1 Renowns, which has die cast hoops. They've replaced the stock heads with coated Remos (sound like Ambassadors, but I can't be sure).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRN10aTSp_Q


Both have a nice, round, warm tone, which is what Gretsch is known for (in spades). Of course, listen through headphones or good speakers.
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Anybody know what sizes of drums the OP is looking for? That could impact the search for vintage drums.
Vintage scares me with the amount of things that could be wrong. Out of round, bad edges, stripped hardware, etc... As for sizes

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This video provides a good demo of how the Renowns sound, in a variety of tunings, with the stock heads (clear Remo Emperors over Ambassadors). This is the newest Renown, and RN2, which has 3mm double-flanged "302" hoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W1kzU07Uro


This video is of the older RN1 Renowns, which has die cast hoops. They've replaced the stock heads with coated Remos (sound like Ambassadors, but I can't be sure).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRN10aTSp_Q


Both have a nice, round, warm tone, which is what Gretsch is known for (in spades). Of course, listen through headphones or good speakers.
Thanks TK! Ill take a listen
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Why not just buy another set of Signias?

There are several sets on Reverb and Ebay right now.
Ive thought about it, I still would prefer new or newer.
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Do you have a hard time choosing which beer to drink too? I mean, there are a lot of choices.
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Do you have a hard time choosing which beer to drink too? I mean, there are a lot of choices.
Ha! Nope, I don't drink. I tend to do whats called hyper focus on subjects from time to time. Come 3/9 when my bonus arrives the mental anguish and pain will be gone
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Ive thought about it, I still would prefer new or newer.

Why?

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I dont have a really good reason. Id love to crack open brand spanking new just to have the opportunity to do it one last time.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:26 PM
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I dont have a really good reason. Id love to crack open brand spanking new just to have the opportunity to do it one last time.
I totally understand this. Especially if you think this is gonna be the last time.
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I totally understand this. Especially if you think this is gonna be the last time.
It absolutely will be the last time.
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:32 PM
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I dont have a really good reason. Id love to crack open brand spanking new just to have the opportunity to do it one last time.
I understand this completely. I've been play drums for 60 years and the only new set of drums I ever got was in 1963 when I was 13 years old.


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Vintage scares me with the amount of things that could be wrong. Out of round, bad edges, stripped hardware, etc... As for sizes

24
13
16
18

or

22
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I understand where you are coming from. If you take some time, you can find some absolute gems out there.
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I understand where you are coming from. If you take some time, you can find some absolute gems out there.
Thats a nice looking kit. Is that the 3 play mahogany or maple?
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:39 AM
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Thats a nice looking kit. Is that the 3 play mahogany or maple?
It is a maple kit, so it has a bit more oomph than the vintage mahogany Ludwigs I have owned.

The drums are from 1969, and they are some of my favorite drums. The kick, rack, and second floor are from the same kit, but I added the 14" floor tom.

To make this kit gig/tour worthy, I have updated the hardware with newer lugs. In addition, the edges on the rack, the 16" floor, and kick were recut - to Ludwig specs- which has made the drums very easy to tune and sound wonderful. (The 14" floor had perfect edges and sounded fantastic, so I didn't have anything done to that drum.)

I mount the rack in a snare stand, so I don't worry about the bass drum mount/tom mount. I bought back up bass drum spurs as well.

Now, keep in mind I paid a LOT less than $2k for this kit - even with the new edges, the updated hardware, etc.. It really just depends on what you want. To be fair, I have purchased several brand new drum kits, and there is certainly a thrill in unboxing and setting up a new kit for the first time. I just figured with the sound/vibe you are going for, a vintage kit would definitely get you there.

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Slingerland 1966 Jam Session kit. Thin shells with re-rings. It is pretty much mint. Pawn shop find $200 bucks. Nothing made today can quite compare at that price point.

They are out there: you don't have to settle for new lol.
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I think you missed my/our point: OP said he digs the vintage sound he remembers from Premier kit way back, and my suggestion along with a few others is that he can still get that vintage sound by buying a vintage kit like he used to have. Those kits are out there. In his case it was Premier. I was just showing an example I found of a vintage Slingerland I bought for next to nothing. The point being if he wants the real deal he can still find it: he doesn't have to settle for new.

OP has now said he wants a new kit, so new has trumped vintage sound for him. Oh well.

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I settled for new.

This will hold me for a while...
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I think you missed my/our point: OP said he digs the vintage sound he remembers from Premier kit way back, and my suggestion along with a few others is that he can still get that vintage sound by buying a vintage kit like he used to have. Those kits are out there. In his case it was Premier. I was just showing an example I found of a vintage Slingerland I bought for next to nothing. The point being if he wants the real deal he can still find it: he doesn't have to settle for new.

OP has now said he wants a new kit, so new has trumped vintage sound for him. Oh well.
New has trumped vintage. At least for now. 8 days, I can change my mind a lot lol. Buying vintage on-line just scares me too much.
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:52 PM
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New has trumped vintage. At least for now. 8 days, I can change my mind a lot lol. Buying vintage on-line just scares me too much.
Have you looked at the new Ludwig Club Date series?
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Have you looked at the new Ludwig Club Date series?
I have, I like the sound, hate the center mount lug. Im way too picky at my old age. I would not have cared 20 years ago. Im not sure why I care now
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I'm surprised. They have a way vintage vibe!

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I have, I like the sound, hate the center mount lug. Im way too picky at my old age. I would not have cared 20 years ago. Im not sure why I care now
Fair enough!

In that case, if I were you, I would look at the Ludwig Classic Maples or a C&C Gladstone series -maple- with round over edges, the single ended lugs, and the Gibraltar style bass drum hoops.
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Fair enough!

In that case, if I were you, I would look at the Ludwig Classic Maples or a C&C Gladstone series -maple- with round over edges, the single ended lugs, and the Gibraltar style bass drum hoops.
Ill have to give C&C gladstone another listen. CM are still on my list since everyone keeps saying they are so versatile.
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Thoughts on Anchor Drums? I know they use a Keller shell which is fine by me. They offer a nice Mahogany shell which gives me that nice full sound with a modern build. Anyone with experience?
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Anchor Drums are fine, at least from the videos I have seen. I don't believe they have a large place in the market, which may or may not be an issue for you. Keller shells are fine, so since Anchor seems to have fairly standard finishes, the only thing you will need to worry about is the edges. They will have a terrible resale value, as they aren't a well known brand at all.

So, what kind of music will you be playing? Will you be micing the kit?


I'm asking because I had a C&C vintage mahogany kit that I LOVED! It sounded deep, warm, and thuddy, but....it was terrible for live shows. The sound died quickly and was easily drowned out by the other instruments. (I'm talking singer-songwriter stuff here, not hard rock.) There was very little attack, so you often couldn't hear the individual notes very well. I don't play a bunch of notes anyway, but it wound up being muddy sounding more than anything else. The mahogany drums I had didn't sound great when I tuned them high to get some projection, so I was stuck with low to maybe medium tuning. They basically did one thing really well, but that was it.

Don't get me wrong, I love that warm, tubby sound of mahogany drums, but I would seriously think twice about them if you aren't going to be miced up at every show. If you are really set on mahogany, and you want a new kit, I might look at Barton Drums. They are cheap, and they will use mahogany - I believe- to make you a kit. Assuming that you don't care about resale.

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Anchor Drums are fine, at least from the videos I have seen. I don't believe they have a large place in the market, which may or may not be an issue for you. Keller shells are fine, so since Anchor seems to have fairly standard finishes, the only thing you will need to worry about is the edges. They will have a terrible resale value, as they aren't a well known brand at all.

So, what kind of music will you be playing? Will you be micing the kit?


I'm asking because I had a C&C vintage mahogany kit that I LOVED! It sounded deep, warm, and thuddy, but....it was terrible for live shows. The sound died quickly and was easily drowned out by the other instruments. (I'm talking singer-songwriter stuff here, not hard rock.) There was very little attack, so you often couldn't hear the individual notes very well. I don't play a bunch of notes anyway, but it wound up being muddy sounding more than anything else. The mahogany drums I had didn't sound great when I tuned them high to get some projection, so I was stuck with low to maybe medium tuning. They basically did one thing really well, but that was it.

Don't get me wrong, I love that warm, tubby sound of mahogany drums, but I would seriously think twice about them if you aren't going to be miced up at every show. If you are really set on mahogany, and you want a new kit, I might look at Barton Drums. They are cheap, and they will use mahogany - I believe- to make you a kit. Assuming that you don't care about resale.

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Im pretty sure you just sold me lol. These are for home use only, just purely for my pleasure, no bands or anything. Just me. A more mellow tone suits me.
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Mahogany it is!

If you arenít gigging, go back and take a look at those C&C drums again.
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You might also want to consider Ludwig Legacy Mahogany:

https://www.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/l...egacy-mahogany
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You might also want to consider Ludwig Legacy Mahogany:

https://www.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/l...egacy-mahogany

Too pricey, would love them but out of my range.
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Mahogany it is!

If you arenít gigging, go back and take a look at those C&C drums again.
Im having a hard time with "luan" i dont know why.
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Im having a hard time with "luan" i dont know why.
But it's the sound you are looking for, correct? Keller Vintage Mahogany and C&C's luan are not far off, sonically speaking.

Have you seen/heard the C&C Player Dates with wood hoops? Warm, warm, warm...


Really low tuning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HCpbBO523I

Medium- high tuning (try to ignore the slightly out of tune rack tom)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA1A490Ixxw


Keller Vintage Mahogany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIAl4z2k694

The room is MUCH better sounding and they are using thousands of dollars in recording gear, but the drums don't sound that different, at least through my headphones. This kit is at least $500 more, if the prices on their website are correct.

Again, you need to do what makes you happy, I'm just throwing ideas out there.
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Pearl studio session select. I have the previous version and these look to be right up your alley.

http://pearldrum.com/products/kits/d...studio-select/
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If you know sound you want and want to go with known brand the choice is not difficult. There will not ne that many to choose from.

If what you want is a bit steep I'd wait and save. If you aready have something that works, but isn't fully satisfying you, why spend money on something new that also doesn't satisfy you?
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Too pricey, would love them but out of my range.
What price range are you looking at? Thatíll help us narrow down the choices for recommendations.
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Aren’t the new pdp concept,,,made in Mexico again,,,,the CX series always got great reviews,,,might b worth a look
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OP said he was looking at Ludwig CM or CD, so that should give us price range. With a snare he's looking at $1,700-$2,300. There are lot of very excellent new kits in that range. Even better vintage kits; could score an excellent Rogers Holiday, great Slingerland, Ludwig, vintage Gretsch or Premier in that range with thin shells and re-rings. If new then the world is his oyster a zillion choices.
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What price range are you looking at? Thatíll help us narrow down the choices for recommendations.
Hopefully Iíll stay around 2k. I found a set of used anchor mahogany and the owner of anchor said he can make me an additional floor, I really want 1 up, 2 down. Iím considering it
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Too pricey, would love them but out of my range.
OK - when you said you were considering C&C, I figured you'd be around that range.
https://memphisdrumshop.com/c-c-glad...ter-ccgl223eoy

https://www.drumcenternh.com/catalog...Mahogany+&cat=

Ludwig is $300 more for a new 22/13/16.
Not too many used ones around though, if you're looking for used.



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If it were me, I'd go grab some Ludwig Classic Maples and call it a day. They've never let me down.
That was my opinion too when I read the first post.
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