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Old 02-23-2018, 12:46 AM
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Default Tone Rings In The Reso Head

Would they work better in the resonate head? Can they be used on both heads (toms) - at once?
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:53 AM
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Would they work better in the resonate head? Can they be used on both heads (toms) - at once?
Do you mean the removable donut things that go around the edge of the head to control overtones, or are you referring to using heads with built in EQ rings, like a Remo P3 or P4?

The former would be difficult to use on a reso head as you would have to put it inside the head and it defeats the ability to remove it easily. The P3 or P4 is a permanent thing as well since the control ring is part of the head. You could try using Drumtacks and sticking those to the reso heads as they have a good stick to them, but they are removable.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:00 AM
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Yes, I should have aid - those Remo tone control rings.

I'm not concerned with removing them. Is that a bad thing?
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:20 AM
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I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work just as well inside as it does on top---but you will have to cut them to fit the inside of the shell. If you measure and cut carefully it should pop into place and stay put after the reso head is on.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:31 AM
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Thanks, Hippy!

Anyone disagree with this Flower Child?
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:41 AM
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The Evans E-rings are wider, and they are clear---if you are putting it inside who cares, but in my case it is very important! And they are cheaper than the Remos.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:45 AM
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I wonder why they don't come installed in the heads, like a kick drumhead?

Or do they already?
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:08 AM
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Remo Powerstroke 3---Evans and Aquarian have their own versions. Much more dampening than the floating type---and much more expensive---only you can decide how you want you drums to sound.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:00 AM
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But I'm already installing the hydraulic ones.

What does a hydro head do for a snare?

I've been told the hydros provide better bottom end, but I don't know shit.

I'm only installing tem on the toms.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:04 AM
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I wonder why they don't come installed in the heads, like a kick drumhead?

Or do they already?
Because they would kill lots of tone.
I know you were recommended hydraulics, but I think with time with your new drums you will want more open sounding toms or snare, or at least the options to have that, rather than such a permanent dampener like rings. Just my guess.
Muted drums might be okay in the driver seat, but don't sound so good meters away from a kit.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:16 AM
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Muted? I thought they just reduced overtones???
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:32 AM
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They reduce overtones by muting! Anything that controls sound on a head does so by muting the sound. Some are more subtle than others but tone rings on Hydraulics is basically overkill. From a previous post your drum sound should be what you want it to be and not suit your pro drummers ear. Tone rings inside the drum on the reso head will flop around and really kill any sound. Put the hydraulics on, tune them and see how they sound. It’s funny how we want drums that really resonate and buy thin shells then try to kill the sound with head dampening products.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:40 AM
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Reduction and muting are the same thing?
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:04 AM
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Reduction and muting are the same thing?
Maybe its semantics. If I understand, you have new kit and are just putting on all new heads. If you want hydraulics go for it, as somebody said, you will find your own sound.
But just a suggestion, before you spend all that money on several heads, maybe you want to try out just one drum and see if you like the sound of hydraulics over a typical 1 or 2 ply head. The real tone of your drum opens up with the latter.
Just trying to save you some dough here.
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:17 AM
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That's a great suggestion and actually what I planned to do all along. I haven't opened the package yet and I saved the boxes. I'm gonna do the 12 first, if I'm happy the 16 next and I will decide from there.

I'll return the unused heads and if the tested ones look unaltered I'll return those, too.

But, I'm hoping I won't need to.
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Old 04-05-2018, 04:00 AM
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This raises the question, does anyone use P3s as a tom reso? I'm setting up for recording, trying every deadening strategy I can short of buying new heads.
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I've seen your posts and you are just trying to jam in your house, right? I'll be the one to say it. You're only playing in your house, correct? Muffle the crap out of your kit to get the best near-field experience. Open drums with no muffling are great when you're playing w/o mics, but I don't think you're playing to an audience
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:39 AM
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I tried it in the floor tom and didn't like it. I just use a tone ring and one piece of moongel - so far so good.
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Old 04-05-2018, 06:29 AM
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Default Re: Tone Rings In The Reso Head

I play the other way : meaning open sound and single ply all over the place. But I thing what you suggest is overkill. Control ring on "normal" batter skins are enough to get the sound you looking for, don't need hydraulic or reso skin muting. I would go with the Evans ones which are broader (Thx hippy chip). They may stay put longer. And you keep easy reversibility.
Anyway, once you've deaden like hell the Tom, snare and BD, you just get overwhelming hi hat and crash and out of balance sound, so you don't need to go too far on the drum muting road.
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