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Old 02-22-2018, 10:46 PM
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Hey everyone! It's been a bit since i've posted, but I wanted your guys' thoughts on this.

I'm a metal drummer, so i'm used to playing a 10000000 notes all the time. I tried my hand at playing to a pop song, and well I kind of impressed myself. I still feel like I over played a little, but I surprisingly had fun playing this.

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Of course a metal drummer can play a pop song, but there will be repercussions.

All the other metal musicians will laugh at you! ;-)
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Old 02-22-2018, 10:51 PM
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They can if they work on stuff besides hitting their bass drum really fast. Unfortunately, I've met lots of "metal" drummers who spend almost all their time on that and don't really worry about other styles or techniques (except the weird "blast beat" obsession).

If you're overplaying because you're used to other genres, then you should look at that some more. You should always serve the song, and not play anything extra out of habit. That goes for "metal" too. I think if people used space more effectively, I might get into some of those styles more.
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No, a metal drummer can not play a pop song. You just violated one of the supreme laws of drumming. And you had fun doing it which tacks on several other violations of the drumming code of ethics.



Well done. But don't do it again.


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Of course a metal drummer can play a pop song, but there will be repercussions.

All the other metal musicians will laugh at you! ;-)
Laugh if they will! It's all good :)
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No, a metal drummer can not play a pop song. You just violated one of the supreme laws of drumming. And you had fun doing it which tacks on several other violations of the drumming code of ethics.



Well done. But don't do it again.


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Good thing I didn't stop reading after the first paragraph! :0
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They can if they work on stuff besides hitting their bass drum really fast. Unfortunately, I've met lots of "metal" drummers who spend almost all their time on that and don't really worry about other styles or techniques (except the weird "blast beat" obsession).

If you're overplaying because you're used to other genres, then you should look at that some more. You should always serve the song, and not play anything extra out of habit. That goes for "metal" too. I think if people used space more effectively, I might get into some of those styles more.
Its definitely going to open some different ideas and creative concepts. I'm definitely going to explore a little further, and see what flaws and I come across in my playing.

P.s Blast beats are an obsession... for some odd reason.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:16 PM
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No.

Bad.

Stop.

My ears.

How dare you.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:18 PM
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Its definitely going to open some different ideas and creative concepts. I'm definitely going to explore a little further, and see what flaws and I come across in my playing.
Awesome sauce. If you want a real kick in the pants, learn some "real" jazz. It's very different from most other styles from a drummer perspective.

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I think it's just something to focus on... I've met people who got obsessed with one small niche or another and it's usually kind of detrimental overall. You get really good at that thing which typically has limited application in the real world... And then it tends to get over-used in your playing because you spent so much time perfecting the mechanics and thinking about it. I've seen this as an example with things like guys getting obsessed with double stroke rolls, or my personal favorite guys who get way too into the "moeller stroke".

Funny timing on the thread here. There was a drummer at an open mic last night who kept putting snare blast beats into like everything the guys were trying to play.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:39 PM
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Awesome sauce. If you want a real kick in the pants, learn some "real" jazz. It's very different from most other styles from a drummer perspective.

I think it's just something to focus on... I've met people who got obsessed with one small niche or another and it's usually kind of detrimental overall. You get really good at that thing which typically has limited application in the real world... And then it tends to get over-used in your playing because you spent so much time perfecting the mechanics and thinking about it. I've seen this as an example with things like guys getting obsessed with double stroke rolls, or my personal favorite guys who get way too into the "moeller stroke".

Funny timing on the thread here. There was a drummer at an open mic last night who kept putting snare blast beats into like everything the guys were trying to play.

Aboot 10 years ago I was really into the jazz thing, but i've definitely lost touch. It's most apparent in my playing now, and have only recently started exploring other styles again. Any jazz bands you might suggest?

That can get annoying really quick. Just play the damn song, right?
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:10 AM
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No.

Bad.

Stop.

My ears.

How dare you.
Can't be that bad! :)
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:17 AM
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Can't be that bad! :)
you lost my respect at "pop" (or maybe it was "can" I'm not sure tbh)

and the fact that you had fun?? don't even get me started, I am disgusted.
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I know Derek Roddy can. Been there as a witness.
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Drummer?

A whole metal band can play a pop song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7imqO-OBVk
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:49 AM
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Drummer?

A whole metal band can play a pop song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7imqO-OBVk
wrong. not a metal band. not trve kvlt enough.

ok I'm stopping now.....
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No, man.
You turned it into a prog hybrid.
If the other musicians played to what you played, they would be changing it up as much as you did.

Pop is simple (in order) to be mesmerising.

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Old 02-23-2018, 03:46 AM
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wrong. not a metal band. not trve kvlt enough.

ok I'm stopping now.....
You won't be surprised to learn that I had to look up trve kvlt.

Still fvcked if I vnderstand it, bvt hey, what can yov do?
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Good playing on the track - there's no question you can do it. But I wonder if in metal music, do you actually fill with stuff out-of-time and over-the-bar? Most of my time is spent playing classics like "Knock on wood" or "Mustang Sally" and if I did fills like yours I'd be fired. So you can play pop music, but your pocket can be deeper without the wacky fills.

I think if you pay some attention to guys like Steve Jordan, Jeff Porcaro, and J.R. Robinson (among many others) then you will achieve your end goal of being a groovy player as well as a Metalist.
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Your fills stick out like dog balls. Lay it back a bit and play for the song not to show off. Most pop music isn't known for the drumming.
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Your fills stick out like dog balls. Lay it back a bit and play for the song not to show off. Most pop music isn't known for the drumming.
This is so.
Why should it be so?
Let's make it not so!
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Sure you can.

Overplaying? Sure, but also just weird choices.

If you're serious to do it well workon feel, time and flow.
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Yep as long as you can play for the song, get away from labeling yourself, be as versatile as possible.

It's a bitch learning to sit in the pocket and not drive a song all the time. When you're locked in with the bass it makes the rest of the band sound goooood! Resist the urge to drum wank!

Get your ghosting game on as well, that works wonders for any groove. Check some Jeff Porcaro and Bernard Purdie out.

Pop is all about less is more usually so those cheeky little fills are a no no :)

Trust me when you get a wallet full of cash for playing pop covers, it's amazing how quick you adapt! I always wanted to play proggy stuff, oh the error of my ways!
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It's been a bit since i've posted
We have different definitions of what 'a while' means.

A 'good' drummer should be able to play many styles and understand the intricacies each style requires.
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See, we're all looking at this the wrong way

"Pop isn't about overplaying on the drums"? Who decided that? The consumer? What do they know????

I propose that all drummers playing pop agree to show off and over play on all live performance and recording starting now. Soon only crappy drummers will be left and pop will be forced to evolve in an era of good drumming! This is a foolproof plan! Join me!
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I think that some of the best genre related playing is by people who are, at the core, 'from' different genres.

Seems the idea of 'musical genre' has a fundamental flaw...almost like it is for serving $ (at many different levels) instead of music.

...no...say it isn't so!
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I don't believe this at all.

Maybe a well educated musician can learn to play anything. But being well educated won't make you able to pick up the sticks and play any style, any more than having perfect grammar and an immense vocabulary will make you able to speak English in all of it's dialects.
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Can a metal drummer play pop without actually becoming a pop drummer? Probably, because metal is not popular. Gah!
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Pop songs are all metal drummers play to begin with. Metal is a type of pop music
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The bigger question is why?

Why play music that you probably find offensive (as a metal musician normally would), than play the music you love?

No way I could do it.
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LOL
It could be argued that some metal music is pop. But to call all metal pop would require redefining both metal and pop.
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The bigger question is why?

Why play music that you probably find offensive (as a metal musician normally would), than play the music you love?

No way I could do it.
The bigger question, why get offended by music that isn't Nickelback?
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We should be asking if a pop drummer can play metal music
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The bigger question, why get offended by music that isn't Nickelback?
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We should be asking if a pop drummer can play metal music
Exactly, and it's funny what the pop people call metal, like I once heard someone call Scorpions metal.
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Exactly, and it's funny what the pop people call metal, like I once heard someone call Scorpions metal.
It's unfortunate that so much of their music was very "pop metal" but they were definately a heavy metal band fom late 70s to about '81. The Animal Magnetism album rocks.
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Exactly, and it's funny what the pop people call metal, like I once heard someone call Scorpions metal.
Back in the (my) day, Scorpions were considered metal. So was Van Halen, Whitesnake, Def Leppard. Even Zep and Rush were for metal heads even if they weren't categorized as metal. Nowadays they call it all classic rock I guess. Some of these bands were heavy on their early stuff and then became more poppy over time.

I've also heard the term "dad-metal" for these types of bands which really makes me feel like a old timer.
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It could be argued that some metal music is pop. But to call all metal pop would require redefining both metal and pop.
No, it doesn't. Metal is an off shoot of Rock which is an off shoot of Jazz which is an off shoot of Ragtime which is an offshoot of March music. These are all genres of popular music. Similarity rap and hip hop are also offshoots of rock but took a different detour. All of this stuff is pop music. Drumset almost never appears in a non pop music context.
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Back in the (my) day, Scorpions were considered metal. So was Van Halen, Whitesnake, Def Leppard. Even Zep and Rush were for metal heads even if they weren't categorized as metal. Nowadays they call it all classic rock I guess. Some of these bands were heavy on their early stuff and then became more poppy over time.

I've also heard the term "dad-metal" for these types of bands which really makes me feel like a old timer.
You and me both bro! Guess I am an old timer already and I do remember those bands being labeled as metal, but when I think metal from that time, I think of megadeth, slayer, anthrax, testament, pantera, meshuggah and etc. which closely align to what is considered metal today - i.e. Lamb of God and a whole list of new heavier bands. Thankfully the older bands I listed are active today with the exception of pantera (still saddens me) and slayer is embarking on their retirement tour this year - father time marches on...
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No, it doesn't. Metal is an off shoot of Rock which is an off shoot of Jazz which is an off shoot of Ragtime which is an offshoot of March music. These are all genres of popular music. Similarity rap and hip hop are also offshoots of rock but took a different detour. All of this stuff is pop music. Drumset almost never appears in a non pop music context.

I don't know what to tell you, mate. Good luck out there, I guess.
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