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Old 01-27-2018, 10:39 PM
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Default Air drumming = over-gripping?

Hi,

As you may have seen, I'm on a continuous quest recently to more relaxed hands. I'm not quite at the 'soft enough to stop a fledgling bird flying away' grip, but I am getting there improving each month I believe.

I think I strangled that bird dead 6 years ago...if I were to put a live one in there now I think it wouldn't die immediately, and it certainly wouldn't get away, but I am definitely choking the poor little guy from time to time!

Last night I was thinking about air-drumming and how this can potentially have negative impact on over-gripping the sticks.

I often air drum; to songs to rehearse, or just noodling rudiments.

I realised last night that as there is no drum head coming in contact with the stick, each stroke in air-drumming is a psuedo-controlled/down stroke, which you then have to lift back up every time.

Not only this, but the drum head almost 'becomes part of the grip' as you play on a kit/pad, as the surface you hit stops the stick flying out of the hand. With air-drumming you are having to tighten the grip with every down-stroke to prevent the sticks coming out.

I can see air-drumming as I fine thing for big/slow movements, just trying to visualise certain parts of songs. But, I wonder if practicing faster, more dynamic, rudimental-type parts is killing the bird and leading to over-gripping?

Anyone have any experience in this?

Cheers,

Andy

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Old 01-27-2018, 11:45 PM
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I do a lot of air drumming, and I just let the stick bounce off the flesh on the edge of my palm. It does take time to be able to play this way, but it really has improved my speed, stamina, and stick control. Iíll post a video to show you what I mean.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:14 PM
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Go by the sound of the stick in the hand to tell whether you're over gripping.

This is where psychology comes into drumming, if you're playing something fast you're body naturally tenses up. Takes a while to get that out of your system. That's where the majority of over-gripping comes from. Air drumming is good practice don't worry about the stick falling out your hands either.

If you're doing moeller go have some lessons with a moeller specialist who can show you the stick control and help you get fast and loose.

If it's done right it's really hands on, literally, when I was studying my teacher would always adjust my arms/wrist/fingers. Not just my uni teacher Jim Chapin was exactly the same. It feels weird at first but when you notice the difference in your playing you understand. Getting it second nature is the bitch!

There is way more to it than the fledgling bird but when you reach that point where you're not gripping the stick at all just controlling it, it's some next level jedi shit.
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when you reach that point where you're not gripping the stick at all just controlling it, it's some next level jedi shit.
This is a great line. I laughed out loud. But yes it is the ultimate goal.

I think doing a lot of air drumming is not good for developing a proper grip.
With no stick rebound your hands will not learn how to control the rebound. Controlling the rebound is what it's all about.

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Old 01-31-2018, 04:23 PM
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I think doing a lot of air drumming is not good for developing a proper grip.
With no stick rebound your hands will not learn how to control the rebound. Controlling the rebound is what it's all about.

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Iíd suggest not doing the air drum thing - rebound is key...
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I thought this was a joke. If you want to be a professional entertainer of air drumming them yeah. No drums or pad needed. No sticks either. You need an air guitarist to jam with.
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I'd say that air drumming with sticks in hands is good for wrist chops/development, but not for looseness and finesse. You need rebound for that. Both parts are valuable, one without the other is not ideal.
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I'd say that air drumming with sticks in hands is good for wrist chops/development, but not for looseness and finesse. You need rebound for that. Both parts are valuable, one without the other is not ideal.
You have to let the sticks bounce around in your hands when youíre air drumming. Thatís how you can develop looseness along with wrist strength and control. Itís really working well for me.
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:37 AM
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Thanks for the input everyone. Lot's of differing opinions here and a lot for me to think about. I think in general, I just need to lessen my time air drumming and get on the pad more! Even a pad can be loud sometimes though...

I realise that I use the technique that Push-Pull stroke mentions, i.e. letting the stick 'slap' the palm. Problem being, for years, I have been trying to get volume from that slap, leading more arm involvement and not much wrist technique. So, I don't think air drumming necessarily = overgripping, but it has definitely allowed me to do that unfortunately, without much check.

I also habitually overgrip, so I am using the air drumming more now as a way to check that my grip is loose, rather than trying to thrash something out with it.

Trying to get more on the pad for that. (Pad + towel folded four times, as it feels more like a drum to me that way)

Cheers guys,

Andy
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