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Old 10-17-2017, 02:09 AM
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Rick Beato uses a bluetooth speaker to obsolete drum tuning gadgets.

It works like a resotune, but faster. Maybe a little less accurate, but who cares?

Pick a frequency on your phone and go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_-ZryEGj-Y
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:26 AM
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Cool idea, at least to eliminate buying/using a 'tuner'.
But I have to say after 8 minutes of effort, that floor tom is not well tuned, or does not sound its best to my ears.
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:47 AM
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I've never used a tuner in my life. What's that like?
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:59 AM
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If anyone wants to have some fun, enable Autotune on your DAW's drum channels and crank it to the max.

It's good for about 5 mins of hilarity.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:29 AM
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The way I figure,
get a good sound on a drum,
plop the bluetooth speaker on the head,
slide the frequency generator around until you find the sweet spot and now you know what your drum is set to.
Repeat.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:51 AM
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Never used tuners, I've always had success tuning the old-fashioned way. *

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Old 10-17-2017, 04:46 AM
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I've never used a tuner in my life. What's that like?
I know several guitarists who say the same thing. (wink)
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:03 AM
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I've never used a tuner in my life. What's that like?
For those of who don't have decades of experience it's pretty darn' good.

It turned out that by using my ears, I had my drums sounding pretty good. But using a TuneBot let me get a more pleasing setup, with better intervals between drums.

Also...he obsoletes drum tuners?
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:36 AM
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Also...he obsoletes drum tuners?
Yeah...and he bads grammar.

(Kind of surprised it wasn't "pwns" or "DESTROYS"...)
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:39 AM
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But I have to say after 8 minutes of effort, that floor tom is not well tuned, or does not sound its best to my ears.
I agree. Plus lugging a speaker like that to the gig and blasting a steady note for 10 minutes while I'm tuning on stage would annoy so many people.
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:46 AM
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Rick Beato uses a bluetooth speaker to obsolete drum tuning gadgets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_-ZryEGj-Y
No. No he didn't.
It's a good thing we never needed them anyway.
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:52 AM
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All that and it sounds exactly like everything on the floor at GC! Impressive!

I’ll take that back. At least an attempt was made in the video!

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Old 10-17-2017, 07:43 AM
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That tom sounds ... nevermind.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:25 PM
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A handy tip and probably fun to try out at home if you have the gear available - and the app is free.

However - if I feel I need a drum tuner - they are available for £65 and will probably give better, faster results AND fit in a stick bag.
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Old 10-17-2017, 08:05 PM
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Never used tuners, I've always had success tuning the old-fashioned way. *

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I just tried and I simply cannot spin the tuning key with either one of my ears. Seems much faster to just use my hands. You old fashioned types like to do things the hard way sometimes.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:38 PM
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I don't know it looks more like a fun science project than a good way to tune drums to me. Whenever I have a son with a science fair coming up I know what I'm gonna do though
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:18 AM
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Rick Beato uses a bluetooth speaker to obsolete drum tuning gadgets.

It works like a resotune, but faster. Maybe a little less accurate, but who cares?

Pick a frequency on your phone and go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_-ZryEGj-Y


Somewhat like a RESOTUNE, definitely not faster tho.


I use a RESOTUNE a lot, and with it could get this guys GRETSCH tom in tune way more accurately and a lot faster than he can. Yes the REOTUNE is a tone generator, and its also a tone reader that uses 2 speakers, when these two speakers straddle a lug (as per the proper way to use a RESOTUNE) that lug can be read and 'cleared' (put into tune) unlike this app and bluetooth speaker which only give an audible reference and let you read the head note (the note the head makes). The fundamental is the root-note which the summation of the heads, shell and hardware work together to collectively produce.

You can get a ballpark reference this Bluetooth way, tho you never want to tune just one head (with one damped) at a time. The drumheads need to work sympathetically, and you notice Rick never plays, demos the drums end result. Just because he got real close to a Bb on both heads does not mean that both heads sympathetically vibrating together will produce a Bb, even tho it seems logical.

RESOTUNE can be put directly into 'TUNE' mode which is quick (when you learn the machine), and why you see RESOTUNE take so much time on video is because the users are going thru an analytical 'read' mode where the drums fundamental and head notes are read first, then the users go into tune mode.



I have a similar GRETCH FT as in the video and can tell you the stock 12MM FT legs are not conducive to good tone on those drums, they might look cool, beefy, but they kill a lot of the drums sound, way too heavy. DW aluminum FT legs are an upgrade for sure.
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:03 AM
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Resotune is tuning to two notes at the same time. A two headed drum generates one note when you hit in the center of the head and a second note that is about 1.59x higher at the lugs. I canít see how if you lay the speaker on the head that the weight of the speaker on the head isnít damping the head.
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:06 AM
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My resotune is slow.
I could drink half a cup of coffee before it settles on the note.
I suppose it would be faster if I used a saved note setting.
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Old 10-18-2017, 10:41 PM
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Resotune is tuning to two notes at the same time. A two headed drum generates one note when you hit in the center of the head and a second note that is about 1.59x higher at the lugs. I canít see how if you lay the speaker on the head that the weight of the speaker on the head isnít damping the head.
You could achieve the same result with a pitch pipe, which is what we used back in the cover wagon days of drumming.



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My resotune is slow.
I could drink half a cup of coffee before it settles on the note.
I suppose it would be faster if I used a saved note setting.


When RT is sussing out your drum it could be labeled slow, but itsa very accurate and it does all the work, way better than any human ear could do, I won't even mention its consistency.

Save Note, yes, really getting technical with RT... keep in mind RT tech is over 10 years old.
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:21 AM
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It's also a shit way to tune drums, now that we're back on topic.
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:04 PM
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..and my apologies to WallyY for throwing this thread waaayyy off topic.
I apologise for the poorly worded title of the thread.
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Old 10-21-2017, 03:27 AM
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Never used a drum tuner and really don't plan on it. Novel idea but I think it is a waste of time and money. But then again I am old and grouchy. :)
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Old 10-21-2017, 06:58 PM
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Good way or not - he presents a method, and therefore the result should be great sounding drums. But ...
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Old 10-21-2017, 10:13 PM
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Good way or not - he presents a method, and therefore the result should be great sounding drums. But ...
But it's two heads of clear Ambassador and I'm sure he didn't clear the head, just brought it up to the desired pitch/note quickly.

He should have cleared the heads.
That's where the fine tuning comes in.

Also, tuning to a note does not mean he's tuning to the best sound character of the drum.
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:57 AM
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My resotune is slow.
I could drink half a cup of coffee before it settles on the note.
I suppose it would be faster if I used a saved note setting.


So, I changed the batteries in my RTII yesterday, its been 2+ years, used it at least once a week, say 100 times. It came loaded with DURACELL PRO CELLS. I went to tune up for a gig and the RT just blinked.

With fresh batteries in I was very surprised to see how much faster RT is, noticeably faster.




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Just timed how long it took to tune up my 10" tom- 2 min

RT took 1 min to suss out the notes, and it took me 1 min to clear the drum.


My 12" I started from scratch, totally loose heads. Took 5.45 min to get both heads of the drum completely in tune, and this is a used batter head, a new head would've been quicker.

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