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Old 10-12-2017, 10:27 PM
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You seem to be missing my point. Dr Watso had no problem seeing my point.
Sorry man, but you are on the wrong side of this one. Don't YOU work hard for the money to buy your gear? I DO, and I don't even allow idiots to blow in my mics. One night at a talent show some MORON did a "mic drop" with one of MY Shure SM57's. He almost took it home in his rectum. My policy for the last 30 years is NO ONE packs my gear for a gig but me, and NO ONE uses my stuff, whether it's guitars or mics. I have never played out as a drummer and probably never will, but I Jam at my house a lot and there are only two other people in the world that get to play my kit.

I'm not "obsessive" over stuff, I'm PROTECTIVE. There's a difference. Wouldn't you be upset if some drunken idiot split one of your cymbals or went through a head?
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:28 PM
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It's interesting, because from a certain perspective everyone is missing the point....

A musician should be prepared for others asking to borrow their gear, and should have clear terms prepared (in writing even) so that the situation in the OP cannot possibly occur.

I'm not blaming the OP, because we've all been though this. Hopefully, failure begets wisdom, as it has in most of our cases.

I agree with both MZ and TL in that... It shouldn't have been a big deal, but it was, because the OP's band wasn't fully prepared to be asked to share equipment. Now they know. They can sort it or stay stupid.


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Write out the policy. Let the borrow know what they can and can't do in clear terms. No tuning. They can only adjust throne/snare/hhat height. They need to supply cymbals. $60 deposit with a $20 rental fee, keep the full $60 if they break the rules. If it doesn't fit on a single index card, you're being too picky. Make some F'ing lemonade.
WHY should I HAVE to be prepared for others to use my gear?
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:37 PM
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Sorry man, but you are on the wrong side of this one. Don't YOU work hard for the money to buy your gear? I DO, and I don't even allow idiots to blow in my mics. One night at a talent show some MORON did a "mic drop" with one of MY Shure SM57's. He almost took it home in his rectum. My policy for the last 30 years is NO ONE packs my gear for a gig but me, and NO ONE uses my stuff, whether it's guitars or mics. I have never played out as a drummer and probably never will, but I Jam at my house a lot and there are only two other people in the world that get to play my kit.

I'm not "obsessive" over stuff, I'm PROTECTIVE. There's a difference. Wouldn't you be upset if some drunken idiot split one of your cymbals or went through a head?
Good for you. I'm done with this stupid conversation. I don't think I'm on the wrong side of anything. Apparently, I haven't been exposed to the same caliber musicians that you people have. I guess I would be jaded too if I had been involved with these kinds of people.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:56 PM
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there are only two other people in the world that get to play my kit.
How could anyone ever mistake you for someone who is obsessed with their gear?

That was sarcasm.

Treating everyone like they're the "mic drop" guy is what makes you seem like you might need to un-clench a bit. It's your decision, but you do look a bit like you're a little too worried about your stuff and not worried enough about how you appear to your friends and people who you categorically say "not a chance" to. In the several hundred times my kit has been used at gigs, I've not had one problem where something was damaged beyond use. I've never been that guy who kills a show by not loaning something to another drummer when it breaks or allowing kit share when there's not a lot of change over time.

Kindergarten stuff. Be nice to people, share, give some benefit of doubt. It's a much better way to live than being too worried about yourself and your material stuff.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:31 PM
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WHY should I HAVE to be prepared for others to use my gear?
To occasionally appear to be a rational human being capable of interpersonal interaction?
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:32 PM
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How could anyone ever mistake you for someone who is obsessed with their gear?

That was sarcasm.

Treating everyone like they're the "mic drop" guy is what makes you seem like you might need to un-clench a bit. It's your decision, but you do look a bit like you're a little too worried about your stuff and not worried enough about how you appear to your friends and people who you categorically say "not a chance" to. In the several hundred times my kit has been used at gigs, I've not had one problem where something was damaged beyond use. I've never been that guy who kills a show by not loaning something to another drummer when it breaks or allowing kit share when there's not a lot of change over time.

Kindergarten stuff. Be nice to people, share, give some benefit of doubt. It's a much better way to live than being too worried about yourself and your material stuff.
My "Material stuff" is the result of LONG hours of HARD work. It may be "kindergarten stuff" to someone with all the money in the world to replace it, but for me It's all I'm going to get. My friends are musicians that feel the same way. If someone can't show up with their own gear, they can sit and watch. 40 years of playing has taught me valuable lessons. I thought guitars were expensive until I got into drums. $100 for a cheap cymbal? No way some drunken idiot is beating on that. Sorry to seem angry, but I learned my lessons.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:39 PM
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I thought I was protective of my mixing desk at work - value 10,000 - by locking the door when I wasn't using it. Turns out we have a whole new level of 'protective' right here.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:56 PM
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My "Material stuff" is the result of LONG hours of HARD work. It may be "kindergarten stuff" to someone with all the money in the world to replace it, but for me It's all I'm going to get. My friends are musicians that feel the same way. If someone can't show up with their own gear, they can sit and watch. 40 years of playing has taught me valuable lessons. I thought guitars were expensive until I got into drums. $100 for a cheap cymbal? No way some drunken idiot is beating on that. Sorry to seem angry, but I learned my lessons.
None of my friends or the people who play music around here are rich enough that they don't care about money or value their stuff. We just value personal relationships and being a good person to those around you more than we value stuff or money, and accept some minor risk. Some guys are more careful than others, and put warnings out and make sure to specify "if you use my stuff, and break it, you need to replace it", but we all make fun of guys who come to shows and get all precious about their stuff to the point where they can't bear to do a kit share or loan a part that broke on someone's setup. It comes across as obsessive, neurotic nonsense. In every case that's happened, one of the other drummers or myself stepped right up because our priorities are not hinged on material stuff. Our priority is having fun, making music, and making friends.

Nice guys do get walked on sometimes, but at least they aren't the asshole in the room.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:00 AM
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I'd like to point out that our musical equipment serves different functions for different people:

As some have pointed out, for them it's essentially "cool toys" to have, use, and share and they accept the fact that doing so along the way, there may be bumps, scratches, etc. That's just part of having it and using the gear.

As others have pointed out, it's something they've wanted for themselves -to own and/or possess and the use of it, professionally or not, is secondary to actually obtaining it. For some people attaining a certain cymbal, drumset, guitar, etc is a personal status symbol -a reward you give yourself for doing something or accomplishing something.

And as some other people have pointed out, their gear are their tools. It's what allows them to make money. Similar to a race car for a NASCAR driver, or a set of sockets and wrenches to a mechanic, these are the tools that these professionals need to acquire and maintain to earn a living. Hence, they do not want other people potentially jeopardizing their ability to earn and pay their bills by misusing their tools/gear.

I have met musicians from each of these three types and they certainly aren't mutually exclusive.

As an anecdote: 20 years ago I was a service manager for a Harley dealership. Every tech was responsible for buying and maintaining their own tools. The mechanics were not hourly employees. These guys made their money by wrenching on service appointments, on "book time" -meaning each service job had a prescribed amount of hours it would pay. Each of them was very strict about not lending out their tools and locking their cabinets at the end of each night. Most of them would take their tool carts home when they would be going on vacation. It wasn't a matter of them not trusting each other, but there were times when we'd catch one of the parts or sales guys thinking they could just walk back there, grab a wrench and to do something on a buddy's/customer's bike and not put the tools back or wouldn't wipe them down afterward.
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:13 AM
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Well this is an entertaining thread!

Seems to me the real problem is that somebody agreed to loan out something that wasn't his to offer. Everything beyond that is just detail.

I have let other beings use my kit on occasion. Always with the same provisos: If you dent a head or damage a cymbal, you just bought it. And don't adjust my kit or cymbals. And when I play somebody else's kit, that is always the basis on which I play it.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:51 AM
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Sorry man, but you are on the wrong side of this one. Don't YOU work hard for the money to buy your gear? I DO, and I don't even allow idiots to blow in my mics. One night at a talent show some MORON did a "mic drop" with one of MY Shure SM57's. He almost took it home in his rectum. My policy for the last 30 years is NO ONE packs my gear for a gig but me, and NO ONE uses my stuff, whether it's guitars or mics. I have never played out as a drummer and probably never will, but I Jam at my house a lot and there are only two other people in the world that get to play my kit.

I'm not "obsessive" over stuff, I'm PROTECTIVE. There's a difference. Wouldn't you be upset if some drunken idiot split one of your cymbals or went through a head?
The only people who do a mic drop are people who've never paid for a mic.
I detest seeing people do that.

And it brings to mind the saying, once bitten twice shy. Everything's fine until the moment someone abuses or damages your gear, after that it's perfectly reasonable in my opinion for someone to be less generous with their gear.

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Old 10-13-2017, 12:00 PM
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This discussion has gone from a discussion to a black versus white argument. Will I lend someone my equipment if they turn up on the night without their own, expecting to use mine? No. And that's not me being nasty, it's me treating people the way I would like to be treated, I have never and will never knowingly go to a gig without my gear and simply expect someone to bail me out.
Will I lend someone any item of equipment that fails in an emergency? Yes. Once again that me treating people the way I would like to be treated. Some numbskull bashing on a crash cymbal that cracks is not an emergency, the gig will go on regardless. Someone having a chain snap on a pedal or going through a snare head is. Obviously there's nuance to this too, if the snare head simply failed or wore out then fair enough, if the drummer is playing with knackered old sticks or stabbing the drum then he reaps what he sows.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:41 PM
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The curiously sad part of the discussion for me is watching people get judged as being "materialistic" and "obsessed with things" based on a few statements made on an internet forum....

No personal relationship, no face-to-face knowledge of the persons life habits. No real-life observations of behavior that would justify the charge... Just "I don't loan out my gear" and "you have a problem with things". For all anyone knows the person could be volunteering 20 hours a week at a homeless shelter, or giving sacrificial donations to good causes. But....not loaning out your gear? Oh you shallow, selfish, bastard!

Pretty heavy charge Comrades....
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:22 PM
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None of my friends or the people who play music around here are rich enough that they don't care about money or value their stuff. We just value personal relationships and being a good person to those around you more than we value stuff or money, and accept some minor risk. Some guys are more careful than others, and put warnings out and make sure to specify "if you use my stuff, and break it, you need to replace it", but we all make fun of guys who come to shows and get all precious about their stuff to the point where they can't bear to do a kit share or loan a part that broke on someone's setup. It comes across as obsessive, neurotic nonsense. In every case that's happened, one of the other drummers or myself stepped right up because our priorities are not hinged on material stuff. Our priority is having fun, making music, and making friends.

Nice guys do get walked on sometimes, but at least they aren't the asshole in the room.
Call me all the names you want, but I no longer loan out my gear unless I know the person well, and sometimes not even then. $100 is a BIG TICKET item for me.
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Old 10-13-2017, 06:01 PM
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Call me all the names you want, but I no longer loan out my gear unless I know the person well, and sometimes not even then. $100 is a BIG TICKET item for me.
Nice try. I did not call you any names. I'm quite clearly speaking in generalizations, and merely putting out how this behavior comes across to the majority of musicians I know and work with. If you're taking it personally, it's probably because you know already how it's perceived. It appears you came here specifically to defend the practice of total refusal to help anyone else in the gear department because you're afraid your stuff won't be perfect afterwards.

It's also weird that we have people getting uppity about the word "materialistic" when they are literally meeting the definition I just looked up. 100 or whatever amount of dollars being more important than helping the people around you is a totally foreign concept to me... Even when I might not have 100 in the bank for whatever reason(screw you, dentist).

Anyway, it's not like any minds will change here. I'll continue helping anyone I can whenever I can, and whoever else wants to can value their stuff more and accept how people will view them(which in the end only matters if you care). Like I said, getting burned a few times being the nice guy is bound to happen... But that shouldn't change your mind about how you treat those around you, or make you assume everyone you help will screw you... It's simply not true.

And to be clear, if the guy "mic dropping" someone else' stuff got punched in the nose, I wouldn't lose sleep. There's a difference between accidentally causing some damage and being disrespectful of other people's stuff you're borrowing.
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The curiously sad part of the discussion for me is watching people get judged as being "materialistic" and "obsessed with things" based on a few statements made on an internet forum....

No personal relationship, no face-to-face knowledge of the persons life habits. No real-life observations of behavior that would justify the charge... Just "I don't loan out my gear" and "you have a problem with things". For all anyone knows the person could be volunteering 20 hours a week at a homeless shelter, or giving sacrificial donations to good causes. But....not loaning out your gear? Oh you shallow, selfish, bastard!

Pretty heavy charge Comrades....
You can definitely be materialistic and selfish with your stuff while also being unselfish with your time and efforts, but it's not something I've ever witnessed. The guys I've met who like to be generous are generous as a rule, not only with certain parts of their life. It's also possible for some people to be un-selfish but for selfish reasons.
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Old 10-13-2017, 06:23 PM
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If I am gear sharing its usually decided BEFORE the gig. I then bring my cheap drumset and let guys hit it.. I don't change the heads as often or sometimes will put new heads on my "main kit" and move them to this guy if they still sound good.

We we gear share due to venue size (which happens often) we bring our own breakables. (snare, throne, pedal, cymbals, sticks)

Cymbals - super expensive and break
Pedals - expensive and everyone likes their own settings
sticks - break and personal sizes
Throne - butt sweat and seat height
snare - $$$$ and sound

This could be said for kick and toms but it's not as serious. I will say if it's a house kit ASK the sound guy / venue if you can tune it. If its my kit, you better be asking me. If I see a drum key come out I will stop you in your tracks before you touch it to a lug... I'd expect the same from any other drummer. We can have a discussion, if you want to make a minor adjustment I am usually ok. Or if I know you and know you can tune very good I'll gladly let you give em a tuneup haha.

My main kit I use when we headline/backline/record etc. It's a NO before they are even set up. If someone wants to sit at my house and play a few grooves fine, but I have my bass triggers, pedal settings, heights, angles all set up for me. You can't be adjusting things. If my band let someone go rip on my drums for a set ,,,, well it wouldn't happen. Same as I wouldn't loan out a guitar without asking.

Those guys would be out of my phone contacts and I'd be with someone else pretty quick after that. Gear is expensive and we are all a little possessive our or drums (babies)

My cheap kit or my Rolands I'll let people bang away on all day though... I have just had too many bad experiences where an opening band will break something or mess something up and then it makes me look bad for my gig. The fast metal stuff I play is a game of inches so to say and if head tension, beater distances, spring tension, angles, or anything else get messed up it can effect it a bit.
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Why has this turned into a shit slinging contest.

If you don't want someone to use your kit fine.

If you're cool with someone using your kit fine.

The definitive word being YOUR indicating ownership and with that comes the right to do with your kit as you wish.
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:14 AM
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Why has this turned into a shit slinging contest.

If you don't want someone to use your kit fine.

If you're cool with someone using your kit fine.

The definitive word being YOUR indicating ownership and with that comes the right to do with your kit as you wish.
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:34 AM
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I'm really surprised how close to home this hit to so many people on here. But I think a lot of you guys are missing the point. It's like justjames said, another musician offered to lend gear that wasn't his to offer. Most of the arguments on here are targeted at whether or not drummers should lend their equipment, but that's not really the situation under debate

With that being said, you can't judge someone for not lending their gear? If it's their gear then they can do what they want with it, and shouldn't be judged about it. Guitarist are lucky because they usually never have to lend out their equipment, same with bassist. Piano players may lend their stuff sometimes, but how often do you see a piano player break an instrument by playing too hard. Drums are probably the most physically active instrument in the world, we literally hit things really hard that's worth a lot of money. If you have a bad experience with someone breaking your drums then obviously you'll be a lot more hesitant about lending stuff in the future.

My original post on here was that you should be as pleasant as you can in these situations. If you know you'll need to borrow drums, then let the other drummers know a couple of weeks in advance, and if possible bring your own cymbals and snare. If you are nice to everyone they will be much more likely to help you out (including these guys who say they wouldn't lend a kit), but if you're rude or inconsiderate or obnoxious then why would anyone invite you back out to play with them again. Just my thoughts
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:14 AM
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With that being said, you can't judge someone for not lending their gear? If it's their gear then they can do what they want with it, and shouldn't be judged about it.
But I called him a little bit selfish, although I agree that person who borrowed the stuff was not respectful and the keyboardist had no right in the first place without consulting the drummer first. It's just a big cluster f*all the way around.
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I think the point is that the OP let himself get walked over. Sometimes people can use my kit. Sometimes no. I just don't get pushed into that kind of scenario. He did, and that's what he's really upset about. Share or don't share isn't the point. He's mad at himself for not controlling it.
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Old 10-14-2017, 12:04 PM
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Should I be annoyed that this thread is still raging, or to put it another way: how many times can you flog a dead horse?

But seriously, I think that with the last few posts we've come full circle. A definate conclusion in sight? Probably not quite, but I think everyone has a degree of validity in their well reasoned positions and we're all the wiser for having read each others arguments. No need to strive for absolute agreement, just be aware of the different approaches to the issue and use that to your adavantage to avoid a repeat of the situation.

Can we now move on and talk about my tom-leg memory clamp slipping issues?
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:02 PM
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Call me all the names you want..
Okay, Earl.

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HA! I change my mind more than my socks. At my age, sometimes I change my mind without even knowing it!

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You can definitely be materialistic and selfish with your stuff while also being unselfish with your time and efforts, but it's not something I've ever witnessed.
Uncle Larry is the total polar opposite. He gives his stuff away, but he's an electrician. Did you ever get a bill for electrical work?!? ;-)

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Should I be annoyed that this thread is still raging, or to put it another way: how many times can you flog a dead horse?

Can we now move on and talk about my tom-leg memory clamp slipping issues?
Sorry Mike, you don't get off that easy. Not if I'm here to keep it going. Slipping clamps? See a doctor or open another thread.

Some perspective from my throne, if you're still here. Hearses don't have trailer hitches. When we're gone, folks will remember what we did, not what we owned.

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I thought I was protective of my mixing desk at work - value 10,000 - by locking the door when I wasn't using it. Turns out we have a whole new level of 'protective' right here.
No, its the same level - the only thing that differs is the price tag.

You are doing the right thing by locking the door. You make your living from that item - its a working tool that is essential to you to make a living, allowing it to be used as a musicians playground is begging for trouble.

Sometimes it isn't only the value in terms of cash outlay - I have a couple of cheap Chinese crash cymbals that cost less than 100 new, but I had to try out a LOT of them before I found good ones - if someone cracked one of my AAX crashes I'd sulk, but they are pretty consistent in sound IMO and easy to replace. If one of my Stagg Exo crashes cracked I'd be gutted - I'd be able to replace it for half the cost of a Sabian but my chances of finding a good one fast is practically zero.
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**As long as its agreed before hand**, I've always been fine with people using my kit (the shells).

Back when I was at uni, in the small venues I played it was always the norm that everyone used either the house kit or the headliners kit, or whichever drummer agreed to bring a kit, but bring your own cymbals, snare and pedal. I often brought my kit so I knew what I was getting. I think only once I've had to let someone use my cymbals, and I kinda took it as an opportunity to hear how they sounded out front.. And he seemed like a nice guy.

But yeah, if someone agreed for me, I'd be annoyed.. And I'd be looking to get away from that person soon after, or try and make them understand why what they did was wrong.

Perhaps hire his keyboard out without asking him, see what he says. Turn up at his house: "I've come to pick up your keyboard, some guy would like to use it for the evening"... Maybe he'll get the picture then.

Also, changing the tuning on somebody's kit without asking... massive no no. Never ever had that happen.
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I think the point is that the OP let himself get walked over. Sometimes people can use my kit. Sometimes no. I just don't get pushed into that kind of scenario. He did, and that's what he's really upset about. Share or don't share isn't the point. He's mad at himself for not controlling it.
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I'm pretty lenient about letting people play my gear. That having been said, I would be completely ticked off if my band members offered it without asking me first.

I never adjust anything on someones kit when they offer for me to sit in. I just won't do it. They have it the way they want it, and its their gig. They're nice enough to let me play, why would I want to mess with their gear?

The keyboard player in the OP was way out of line. Darned shame.
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I have a strict rule that only I play on my gear, because it's expensive and I don't trust others. Having said that; i have a friend who plays drums and I have no problem with him playing my kit, because he treats it with respect and doesn't bash anything (same as me). Perhaps a bit hypocritical of me, but i have no problems with playing someone else his/hers kit, but I have no problem bringing my own gear when a fellow drummer thinks the same way as me. But during gigs where other bands play, i also inquire about the kit being used and what everyone brings/opinion is etc.

But I've had on several occasions during jam sessions or shows (or battle of the bands) that someone would come up to me and ask 'can i use your gear'. Years back i felt guilty saying no, but i think and feel 'not my problem'. I have expensive cymbals and cringe when someone bashes the shit out of my K and K Custom crashes. Years back i had a guy wreck my hi-hat stand because he was stamping his foot down so hard, so i just keep this policy 'no one but me'. I also can't phantom the idea that someone would 'forget' their gear. On a side not; if some forgot their sticks, sure no problem. Get me a couple of drinks and that covers the costs. I always have enough sticks.

But back to this topic; if i was in your shoes i would have said no and that was it. Don't care if it's a wedding or not, i have a cymbalset worth roughly €1200 and drums + hardware also roughly €2500, so it sure as hell my decision what i decide who won't play my gear
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WHY should I HAVE to be prepared for others to use my gear?
Because the alternative will put you in the same position as the OP, and eventually will result in your departure from the band.
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You should have the right to refuse your gear. On the flipside I dont see that big of a deal letting others use your gear as long as you have a written damage agreement. The stuff is literally designed and constructed to be furiously beat on.

If anything is damaged the written agreement takes over....
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Are people going to run around with these written agreements and contracts in their back pocket to gigs like this, in case this comes up? Or worse yet, are they going to give these written agreements to fellow keyboardists in the event they lend your drums out? I'd be pissed my stuff was lent out without asking too, but at the same time wouldn't want to deal with all this legalese over a drum kit at a friendly party gig.
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Because the alternative will put you in the same position as the OP, and eventually will result in your departure from the band.
If a band wanted to kick me out for refusing to share my gear with no prior notice and no regard for my own wishes I would be happy to leave.
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If a band wanted to kick me out for refusing to share my gear with no prior notice and no regard for my own wishes I would be happy to leave.
Pretty sure that's what happened to Pete Best.
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Pretty sure that's what happened to Pete Best.
In that case, I take it back!
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This thread is reminding me of an episode of Judge Judy, where drummer Robert Williams was suing Johnny Rotten over his drums, and whether or not they were used after he was let go, or quit because he was supposedly hit.

She has some words regarding his attitude, including "noodnik."
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If a band wanted to kick me out for refusing to share my gear with no prior notice and no regard for my own wishes I would be happy to leave.
You're being kicked out of the band because your lack of preparation resulted in the loss of future gigs.

Customers with negative consumer experiences are far less likely to book subsequent bands.

Ultimately, you're screwing the ecosystem and pissing into the well from which we all drink.

It's not all about you.
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I don't regret or take back a word I said. You have your opinions and I have mine. Who are you to tell me where my place is at?

This is a discussion, and yes I think it's a little bit obsessive with your stuff. I've had my stuff at a party, my precious Slingerland, and somebody leaned on the tom too hard and snapped the mount. It really sucked! But I got over it.

I agreed he should be annoyed, but for manners more than material worth.
Good thing you could afford to replace the mount. I'd be screwed, as would many others. It's easy to call others "Obsessive" when you have money. I don't. I recently bought a $100 cymbal and THAT was a "big ticket" item. I had to "save up" for it and STILL felt like it was an outrageous amount to spend. If some moron dented or split it, and he couldn't pay for it, I'd have to do without.
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Being annoyed is just a feeling. You surely have the right to feel annoyed. Question is do you need vindication of others about your rights? I would say no.
Play on man, chalk this up to learning about your bandmate and set the boundaries for next time.
And if there was damage to the kit, who pays?
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