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Old 09-12-2017, 04:13 PM
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Default Starting all over again - what would you buy?

This is a fictional scenario, a little game:

What, if you could start your drumming-career all over again? What equipment would you buy, if you would have all the money in your hand, that you have spent the past couple of years on drum gear?
Which brand,
how many pieces
& which sizes?
Maybe a special colour?
Which cymbals would you buy and how many?
Which snare(s)?
[Is the set very different to what you have now?]

And why would you choose THAT drumset now? For which musical styles would you use it?


Also answer this: What was your(!) first drumset [that is: not a borrowed set or something similar] - and what kind of music did you play with it?

This is just a fun game. Let's see, how we have evolved as musicians. How many of us are still doing their original stuff, how many have changed their genre and changed their equipment accordingly? Maybe someone started his career as a metal-drummer with a big drumcastle, only to end up as a bebop-drummer or vice versa. Maybe someone began his carreer with an 20" bassdrum and prefers to play 26" or 28" bassdrums nowadays.

Pictures of the set you'd get and the one you had can be added, if you want.

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Old 09-12-2017, 04:47 PM
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Ha, this is a fun thread!

When I started out, my first kit was a Westwood stencil kit that I got from some guy's basement for $200, with a couple of brass 12" cymbals and (lo and behold) a 1960 Ludwig Pioneer snare in blue duco. My next set was a Sears catalog "Blackhawk" (not the Gretsch set they sold, but a cheaper Taiwanese stencil kit). I jammed the two kits together into a big clumpy Frankenkit.

Eventually I sold all of that (including, stupidly, the Pioneer) and got a Yamaha Stage Custom shell bank with a 20" kick. A few years ago, I was gifted a badly damaged Ludwig Standard kit and rehabbed it; it's now my main gig kit.

I started out playing just straight-ahead rock, went through a serious prog phase, but now I play everything from jazz to country to rock in my two bands.

I love my Ludwigs so much, I really wish I'd had something like them as my first kit. Even now, I am looking to find matching toms to expand the kit - I'd love to go 12/14/16 on this kit, and I know there's got to be some out there.

If I were to do it all over again, I might order a Legacy kit in those sizes (12/14/16/22). I also have it in mind to check out an INDe kit. They do nice work. And there's always Guru.

If I were doing my first kit all over again as a kid, I would go for the current Stage Customs, no doubt. Probably the best entry-level kit on the market.
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:51 PM
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Like it.

I've kinda done this recently anyway, so I'll just be listing what I have now:

Mapex M Birch 8, 10, 14, 22
Sonor Prolite Snare 14 x 6.5 with die cast hoops
Sonor Artist Steel snare 14 x 5 with flanged
Pearl Omar Hakim Signature snare
Keller 14 x 8 self build maple snare with cast hoops

Paiste Signature cymbals - 15, 16, 18, 21 dry heavy ride, 13 heavy hats

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Thing is though if I was starting out now, I wouldn't have anything like the cash needed to buy this lot.

Over the years I have owned:

1- Maxwin gold thing
2- Mapex Mars (red)
3- Mapex Orion (red wax)
4- Mapex Orion (natural maple)
5- Pearl MMX (Gold)
6- Pearl BRX (Silver)
7- DW Collectors maple (black on black)
8- DW Collectors birch (black on black)
9- Sonor Delite (birdseye cherry)
10- Yamaha Stage custom (natural birch)
11- Sonor Prolite (nussbaum)
12- Mapex M Birch (cherry fade) - current

So I've gone full circle and back to the mapex - essentially almost all kits sound the same and the extra cash you pay is either for the name, more engineering or a more exotic wood/finish.

Cymbals and snares you need to invest in, but the tubs, just get what feels right to you, even if it's a cheap piece of crap.

Snare and cymbals are what matters, invest in those first if you can, tubs are just secondary in my opinion. As such I will never buy another top line kit, and snares? I don't think I can do much better than what I have tbh
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:26 PM
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:37 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/Groove-Percus.../dp/B004CTKJVA
This is the kit i play now. I'd get it again.(It's my beater kit. I also have a 1969-70 Slingerland kit) 4 piece 20x14 12x8 14x14 I'd get a Mapex MPX Hammered steel snare in 14x 5 (or 5.5 don't remember off the top of my head). I feel like this setup gives the best balance between versatility of tuning and portability. The luan shells have a nice low fundamental with is helpful with the smaller diameter toms. I'd get the Zildjian A391 pack and an LP Jam Block and LP Cowbell. The point of this is a kit i can take to any gig and not worry about it.

My first kit was an 80's Yamaha black 5 piece 22 12 13 16 power tom sizes. with additional roto-toms and a multitude of add ons that eventually got either lost or destroyed(i got it in 4th grade) and 6 cymbals mostly red label B8's but also a Tosca or 2. the hi hats i still have. the others either got broken by my friend or went with the kit when i gave it to a family friend. I believe he still has it somewhere. I used that kit to learn on so a lot of Marching rudimental stuff and Dixieland stuff plus Jazz and Rock eventually when i got interested in those genres. Used the toms to practice my Timpani technique (obviously not the tuning but the mechanical motions and the way one draws sound out). In price i may have downgraded but i feel like i've upgraded my kit quite a bit. The 20 inch bass drum lets me have my rack tom at the perfect height and i get better sounds out of this groove percussion than i ever did out of the yamaha( 20 more years of tuning practice i guess).
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:57 PM
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If I were to do it again, I would likely start off with a beginner/mid level kit, something like a PDP Concept, Stage Custom, Tama Superstar Classic, etc. Ya know, that $650-899 range kit. I would find a good deal on one of those then I would have all the edges re-cut (probably chop the bass drum shorter if its 18" depth), put on all new heads (probably keep the stock bass reso head) and use the rest of my money on great cymbals and sturdy, dependable hardware. Drums come and go, but cymbals and hardware stay.

I would play all sorts of different music on the kit. Rock, metal, pop, jazz (with the right cymbals), fusion, whatever suits me. The beginner/mid level kits are built really well today, they just need some better edges to get the most out of them.

My first kit was an 8 piece Tama Rockstar DX from 1992/93. I played metal and prog rock on it. Used Zildjian A series cymbals on that kit almost exclusively. It was a big rock kit.
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Old 09-12-2017, 06:20 PM
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My first kit was a 50s Rogers 5Pc. I despised that thing and couldn't wait to get my Tama Imperialstar 6, 8, 10, 12, 13, 16 tons with 24" kick. I thought that was where it was, just to realize later the Rogers was 10 times the kit sound wise! :( What was nice about that kit was my Paiste 2002s.

In the early 90s I got an upgrade and picked up a premier APK set. I had the option of a fusion kit, or one with power toms. Of course I went with the power toms! Big mistake! I was swatting at things way high in the air, because I couldn't get anything down where I needed them too. I remember the lowest position I could get my crash cymbals, they would line up with my adam's apple and I'm 5'10". I played like an ape for years like that. The nicest part of that kit was my full set of eight A Custom and Orientals.

I had to sell everything to stay afloat after the .com layoffs...

I've been on the same PDP kit now since 06. It's probably the most normal set I've had since the Rogers, but while the 22x18 BD has been a canon, it's been tough to maneuver and if you don't want boom, it's the wrong detention.

For years I've been playing rock and pop, etc., but have really fallen short on the more complex jazz stuff and have never been able to pull off anything fancy or meaningful on fills. I've got the job done, but that's been it. I've never even attempted to push the envelope live, so would just play it same and stick to the basics.

Last year I finally picked up a set of HHX Evolutions and looking for a new set at some point.

If I had to start over and money was no object, I'd get my HHX Evolutions again, because they are just so darned versatile. I'd likely add a set of Meinl Byzance for when I felt like something more dry and even darker than the Evos.

Set wise, I'd just force myself to stick with a 4pc (way too many great options to name one)in something closer to traditional sizes and not get tempted with a stupid number of toms, until I learned every trick I could pull off on a 4pc, then decide if I needed them. I'd also cut it out with all the rock focus and force my practice time to be more around mastering technique and finesse. I'd definitely be way ahead of where I am now, had I done that.

Not too late though...I've started doing this recently after I finally pulled my head out of my....!
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Old 09-12-2017, 06:48 PM
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A guitar.



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Old 09-12-2017, 07:03 PM
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Here's a little different take on the OP....

If I had to do it all again, as a child, I would never have stopped taking lessons. In high school, instead of turning out for sports, I would have turned out for band. And, instead of not playing in early adult and mid-life, I would have found a way to work and raise the kids and still play.

At 57, I have been playing again for about 3 years and I kick myself in the butt repeatedly for letting opportunity pass me by.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:15 PM
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I would get just about what I now have.

Drums: Mapex Mydentity maple 10/14/22/13 snare
Cymbals: Sabian 17" AA Thin Crash, 18" AAX Studio Crash, 20" AA Medium Ride, and 14" Paragon Hats. These are my current cymbals.

I would play what I am now playing: praise and worship and blues/classic rock.

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Old 09-12-2017, 07:20 PM
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Going back to the beginning, and what I would buy... hmmmm...

I remember in 6th grade, seeing this 7th grader playing his drums. I admired him, and thought that one day I'd have drums like his. His parents bought him some nice clear blue Ludwig kit. I wanted to buy his old kit, but he said they didn't have it any more.

Turned out, my mother bought it from them, so that I could have it. We were on the low end of the middle class, so every single little thing was a struggle. She bought the kit, and spent $100 getting a few new heads and a tiny cymbal.

If I could go back, I'd still want that drum set, for what it represented. I'd probably buy a hi-hat, crash, and ride, as well as a throne, just to make it all more official and functional.

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Old 09-12-2017, 07:39 PM
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Ha! I'm 58 - bought my first kit 11 years ago. Used '97 vintage, 6-pc, Indonesian Stage Customs with Zildjian As and Ks.

Who needs to start over?!?
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:37 PM
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My very first set was a third- or fourth-hand 1940s Slingerland in gold sparkle. It had a 9x13 tom, and a 14x24 bass drum, and a sky blue pearl Japanese no name snare. I bashed hell out of that from age 7 til 13. When the proper sets came in, like I've said in other threads, they were all based on Ludwig's Big Beat 5-piece: 8x12/9x13/16x16/14x22 with a snare of varying depths, but for years I had a Ludwig Supraphonic.

Over the years I've tried other sizes from too small to too big, and my last two kits (Pearl Reference and DW Collectors) have both been in that same Big Beat 5-piece configuration. So I think only how I play has actually evolved. I'm glad I never recorded myself way back when! I'd be embarrassed by how I played and I must've drove my family nuts with bad loud drumming!
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:53 PM
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Going back to the beginning, and what I would buy... hmmmm...

I remember in 6th grade, seeing this 7th grader playing his drums. I admired him, and thought that one day I'd have drums like his. His parents bought him some nice clear blue Ludwig kit. I wanted to buy his old kit, but he said they didn't have it any more.

Turned out, my mother bought it from them, so that I could have it. We were on the low end of the middle class, so every single little thing was a struggle. She bought the kit, and spent $100 getting a few new heads and a tiny cymbal.

If I could go back, I'd still want that drum set, for what it represented. I'd probably buy a hi-hat, crash, and ride, as well as a throne, just to make it all more official and functional.

This is totally awesome. Thanks for posting it.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:05 PM
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Here's a little different take on the OP....

If I had to do it all again, as a child, I would never have stopped taking lessons. In high school, instead of turning out for sports, I would have turned out for band. And, instead of not playing in early adult and mid-life, I would have found a way to work and raise the kids and still play.

At 57, I have been playing again for about 3 years and I kick myself in the butt repeatedly for letting opportunity pass me by.
I hear you on that one. For me it wasn't about continuing lessons, but taking them at all. We had no spare change for any of that activity, but never looked into to it when I got my own source of income. Drums were more of a stress reliever in the days past, because I really didn't have any real time to commit or the freedom to make noise. Now that things have changed, I'm trying to finally launch forward and grow where I can, as fast as I can before something blows up again!
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I find it curious that the majority would get what they have presently.

If I was starting over again....Do I have the knowledge I do now? Because if that's not a parameter, then I would be just as stupid as I was when I first started out.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:31 PM
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My mother bought me my first kit 28 years ago (age 10). It was and is a 50's Leedy "rock" kit 13/16/20, with a 13" 60's Ludwig tom, all white marine pearl and a late 40's Ludwig BR super classic snare.

I sold the snare years ago but still have the set and it is what I have set up and tend to play.

And if I had disposable income, I'd simply have it refurbished.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:03 PM
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I find it curious that the majority would get what they have presently.

If I was starting over again....Do I have the knowledge I do now? ...
Yes, you do have all the knowledge. Otherwise the "game" wouldn't work or be interesting. ;-)

That said, I have forgotten to answer the questions I posted myself. Duh!

Okay, here we go.
I started with borrowed kits, then I got my first kit as a young teenager, a basically midrange-Ludwig - that had fire-damage. But that kit was a gift of some sorts (Friend of mine said, he'd throw it away. I asked, if I could have it and played with the remnants of that drumset. Bassdrum, one tomtom, a cheapo snare + bongos). My parents threw it away secretly. Again, gigging with borrowed entry-level sets. Meh. And I dreamed of owning a kit like Keith Moon or Simon Phillips...

The first real drumset that I bought myself came many many many many years later and was totally different. A Tama Superstar Hyperdrive (that I still have and play, although it got a bit modified). 22x20 (now 22x18), 10x6.5, 12x7, 16x14 and 14x5.5 snare. Added some turkish B20 cymbals and continued my "Rock-career".

During the past couple of years, my drumming changed considerably. It got diverse. I play jazz, funk, pop, rock, blues, soul, sometimes bossanova, I also use brushes (unthinkable for me ten years ago). And as my drumming got diverse, I found out that different drum sizes suit me more nowadays...

If I were to start it all over again and take the cash and buy drums, I would get two drumsets (one for each practice-room that I gig in).
Tama Starclassic B/B 20x14, 12x8, 14x14 in white with a Tama SLP Classic Maple snare and Masterwork Custom cymbals, 14, 16, 19, 20. Uh... damn, I've got that already. Hehehe...
The other set would be same configuration but a Starclassic Maple (piano black), adding a Star Solid Maple 14x6 snare (different bearing edge, thus very different to the SLP). Cymbals.... I'd keep my HHX Evolutions (14-16-18-20) probably or get some UFiP Natural cymbals. I need something that can be used for everything except Metal and such stuff.

Why? That bassdrum size fits all bills and is easy to carry around. I don't really see the advantage of bigger bassdrums anymore. And a 14" floortom delivers basically enough lowend. And Tama has been really solid for me, great quality, so... no need to change brands. Although the new Yamaha Tour Custom (20x15 bassdrum, thin shells) is intriguing, I must admit.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:09 PM
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First kit was an old Rodgers kit of uncertain lineage. Cost me £50 back in 1980. I re covered it and modified it to suit what I wanted. We played all originals, post punk type stuff.

If I started over again I would buy exactly what I have now, a red finish Yamaha Stage Custom, with Remo heads, Yamaha hardware and Zildjian A cymbals. Plus an Alesis Red e-kit for quiet practice. Job done.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:17 PM
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I bought my Ludwig Standards, used in 1975, for $50.

If I had to do it all over again, I would have tried to talk him down to $45.
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Old 09-13-2017, 12:51 AM
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I would buy a full kit with all sizes...20 and 22 inch bass drums , 5 1/4 and 6.5 inch snare and 6,8, 10, 12, 14, and 16" toms. This would cover me for all types of gigs. Denis
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:33 AM
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I started at 16 with a pair of giant spools with vulcanized rubber stapled onto onto them, and a 1'' wooden flagpole cut as drumsticks, all built by my dad to get me started. I moved onto a horrible children's set, and then onto a TAMA Swingstar a few months later.

When I got my first birch set a couple years later, I was more than happy with it, in fact I still prefer birch over maple. I'm honestly glad I started off that way though.

I think beginners NEED to start with crappy equipment to build a drive to move onto better gear and learn the value of practice and motivation. It also conditions them into finding a way to make crappy gear sound good/played well, which is an artform in and of itself. I kind of cringe when I see a child playing on a DW kit with 8 Pro-level cymbals when they don't really understand the value of that instrument yet.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:46 AM
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With knowledge I now have being on here:
I'd start out with a Yamaha - a Live Custom or try to find a discontinued Club Custom (though an old natural finish Rogers kit would tempt me too).
Yamaha hardware, the lighter stuff.
Paiste 602 cymbals, all around.
Ludwig Supraphonic or maybe splurge for a Guru or Canopus wood snare.

But I acknowledge I started stupidly, and humbly, with a CB and a ZBT.
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:48 AM
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Actually I kind of did start all over again. This year. And this forum was the source for all of the information I needed to to help me make the choices. Not for picking up a brand, but what to look for in shell quality and construction. So thank you all.

Originally I'm from East Europe and I've been playing the drums for about 26 years roughly. I moved to Canada 12 years ago. I have a feeling most of the eastern Europeans here will agree with me, but back in the days, we didn't care much of what kind of gear we have, but if actually we have any kind of gear. Changing drum heads? Yeah right ;) Now there it's bit different and it' better I'm sure. Anyway, my first drums were strange no name things. The toms had 5 lugs and no bottom heads. Some kind of blue colour (Canadian spelling) and the bass drum was cracked. I got another bass drum Throwa brand to have a double bass setup. I was rocking these for good 3 years. I was in Thrash Metal band. All originals. We had some local success, probably top 3 bands in my town. My second set was Amati. It was alright, it served me well until I left for good. I was playing in a cover band during that time. I'm not mentioning cymbals, because what I used for these 14 years back home, can't be called that. The bottom line is that, even the crappy gear works. I was playing a lot, I was getting gigs. You just learn to use what you have and to work with it.
When I moved to Canada, I got an used Pearl Export set and I was the happiest I could be. There is nothing bad I could say about it and used it until last year. I had on it G2/G1 combo and GMAD on the kick. It worked as a charm. Then I got another set - Gretsch Catalina Ash. I was getting busier and I needed another one to make my life easier. It's an alright drum set, a bit different sounding then the Export, very good looking but not very well build. Yes, I started to get picky :) At this point I was getting geeky about the drum sets, gear, construction and my ears learned to hear the difference in between the wood types etc. Then I got a third one. Peace DNA, 9 ply North American maple. The best of all I currently owned. I started using it for live shows and I did some studio work with it. Great sounding drums. My cymbal and snare collection was growing too. In another words, I was getting spoiled. Fast forward to the beginning of this year, I decided that I've been playing long enough to not have a high quality gear. Not because whatever I had wasn't working, but to make myself feel good.
I sold the Export and the Catalina, kept the DNA.
Bought Pear Masters All Maple, George Way Mahogany and Peace Paragon Bubinga. I have two practice rooms, one has the Masters, the other one - the Paragons. The Peace DNA is still my kit for playing live, it sounds great and it's light. The George Way is for studio and special occasions.
Currently I'm involved in 4 projects - trip-hop/electronic trio, 6 piece funk band, 4 piece alternative rock band and 3 piece instrumental trio. I play mostly originals. The 6 piece funk band sometimes gets hired for event gigs where covers are needed, so we do play a fair amount when is required.
I get studio work here and there as well for whatever is needed.

I'm sorry for the long post and the potentially bad grammar. Like I mentioned earlier, IMO one needs to train its ears to discover the benefit of higher quality instruments. It's more like luxury then necessity.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:26 AM
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I find it curious that the majority would get what they have presently.

If I was starting over again....Do I have the knowledge I do now? Because if that's not a parameter, then I would be just as stupid as I was when I first started out.

It,s common sense you're right. Still, I started drumming mid 90's, started with a white second hand Tama Rockstar. Power toms of course, metal snare. At that time one of my dream kit was the Premier Signia with loads of toms, double bass and all.. In white (I like white). Funny enough - but only because of a nice turn of event few years ago - the big white Signia is the kit I own 20 years later ! After five different Tama kit.

If I was a teenager now, searching for a kit, I would probably go Tama BB, but what I would do (and we rarely do that when we start), I would buy very good cymbals. Beginners often spend everything in the kits and use crappy cymbals...
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Had a nice Yamaha kit and piaste traditionals cymbal set stolen from me about a year ago. I did have to start all over. Fortunately I got some of the money back so I was able to reinvest in a new kit. Got a set of zildjian Constantinoples and an 80s model Yamaha kit. I'm almost glad the kit got stolen lol
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I started at 16 with a pair of giant spools with vulcanized rubber stapled onto onto them, and a 1'' wooden flagpole cut as drumsticks, all built by my dad to get me started. I moved onto a horrible children's set, and then onto a TAMA Swingstar a few months later.

When I got my first birch set a couple years later, I was more than happy with it, in fact I still prefer birch over maple. I'm honestly glad I started off that way though.

I think beginners NEED to start with crappy equipment to build a drive to move onto better gear and learn the value of practice and motivation. It also conditions them into finding a way to make crappy gear sound good/played well, which is an artform in and of itself. I kind of cringe when I see a child playing on a DW kit with 8 Pro-level cymbals when they don't really understand the value of that instrument yet.
I think the OP meant "What kit" did you first have. We all probably started out on pots and pans etc, I know I did, but that was not my first real kit.
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When I started I got a Mapex Venus series kit. Not great at all, but I wouldn't have had the ears for a better kit anyway. I soon realized my Sabian B8 cymbals sounded like crap though, so I'd buy some nice Meinl Byzance cymbals as soon as possible if I'd start all over again :).

Other than that I'd rather practice a lot more than I did, get together with musicians and play, find out what's the essential must-have skills as a drummer, and work on that.
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Better cymbals.

Bought my first kit from a friend for £5. It was awful but worked. The cymbals were like dustbin lids. Probably awful looking back. And they were split and had big slices dangling down (there's probably a technical term for it).

My second kit, bought from my local music store. A Premier Royal. With some of those Roto Tom things included with it. It was FANTASTIC. But, again, crap cymbals.

Nowadays...the drum shells don't make a huge amount of difference to me. I've heard crap kits sound beautiful when tunes to their best. I've heard good kits sound awful. Meh.

But, I'm a total cymbals whore. I like em big, and I like em loud. I have a 24" Ride (Sabian APX). 22" Crash (Dream Bliss). 20" Crash (UFIP Tiger) and 15" hats (Dream Bliss). Best cymbal setup I've ever had. They sound so lush and are a pleasure to play.

When I was younger I thought drums were king. I've seen the light. It's all about the cymbals
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My first kit was a Gretsch round badge. Don't be too jealous. It was knackered. The floor tom was out of round, the edges were chopped up, and it was in really bad nick. Crappy brass cymbals. Still, it made good punk music. A fat kid sitting on the bass drum killed it.

In between then and now I had a series of cheap "stencil" kits. I learned a LOT in the process of turning over those kits. I'd true the edges. I'd remove the wrap - if the wood was reasonably nice-looking, it'd get stain and some kind of clear-coat, and if it wasn't it'd get painted. I'd put new heads on at least the batters. Then I'd play it a while. When I found another cheap stencil kit I'd buy it, repeat the process, and sell the old kit to recoup expenses.

The first kit I bought brand new was a Premier Cabria XPK. That was a really nice kit. I never played the 12" rack tom. I always set it up 13-16-22. It was the first kit I had with a 18x22 kick, and while I liked the sound I was not happy about schlepping it around.

A few years ago I bought a NOS Mapex Meridian Maple. Wonderful kit. Nice, thin shells, superb build quality. Still have it, though I'm trying to unload it because I never play it.

I'm too busy playing my Ludwig Signets. :-) Again, wonderful kit. Thin maple shells free from choking hardware. Light, which is important for gigs. Nice-looking.

All through that time, snares out the wazoo. Lost track years ago.

I had Paiste Signatures back in the 90s. I've a mix of Istanbul Agop and UFIP now, with a couple cottage-maker craft cymbals in the pile.

If I had to do it all over again?

Dear Andy, please to be making me a Tour series, 8-10-12-14f-16f-22. That's the home and special-occasion kit. :-)

Gigging kit can be any number of upper-intermediate kits with a wrapped finish. Doesn't matter at all to me except that it's not Pearl. I hate those #$@%! tom arms.

Cymbals shall be UFIP, a mix of Natural and Class series.

I don't need racks full of snares. Over the years I've found a library of three snares is enough choice for me: 6.5x14 BoB (my go-to), a 8 or 7x13 maple, and a 5 or 5.5x14 maple. That's all I need. I'd like to have more, but it'd be a waste of money and storage space.

Hardware is immaterial to me provided it keeps the instruments where I put them. Oh, and the kick pedal has to have a direct drive. Since I made the switch, I find there's too much 'slop' in chains and straps.
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Here's a little different take on the OP....

If I had to do it all again, as a child, I would never have stopped taking lessons. In high school, instead of turning out for sports, I would have turned out for band. And, instead of not playing in early adult and mid-life, I would have found a way to work and raise the kids and still play.

At 57, I have been playing again for about 3 years and I kick myself in the butt repeatedly for letting opportunity pass me by.
It is like you read my mind, including the stopping lessons and not playing for many years!!
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:31 PM
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A mid range shell pack of standard dimensions 22,10,12,14,16 with a steel snare - no power toms or 'cannon' depth bass drums. Good hardware. A set of either Zildjian A or Sabian AA cymbals.

The above would keep me happy for several years.
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We all probably started out on pots and pans etc, I know I did, but that was not my first real kit.
I started on a trash can.

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Old 09-13-2017, 04:59 PM
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Knowing what I know now, after 35 years of playing and a couple dozen kits, I'd probably just get a 2 up 2 down 10/12/14/16/22 maple kit with floors. I'd probably get a DW Collectors (had 4 previously and loved them) or a nostalgia purchase and get a Classic Maple. Both in wraps with sparkles. Probably blue with chrome hardware and triple flanged. That would cover anything I ever need to play, look good on any stage, durable enough for gigging etc...

Snares have been a problem area but I'm 100% sure it would be metal. Either a Black Beauty or Copperphonic or as my current snare, a bronze masterpiece. I will likely never buy another wood snare.

I would definitely get medium weight hardware, maybe even single braced. Either DW or Ludwig to match whichever kit. I'm in love with ATLAS mounts and arms/lifts. I love me some Dogbones, as well. My era of 9000 series stands is basically over. Yes, they last forever but so unnecessary for a local gigging drummer. Overkill.

I've basically grown up with DW pedals. My third pedal ever was a 5000 from 1988. I've tried most and only the Yamaha has a good feel but DW 5000 accelerator cam is how my foot responds best. Muscle memory and such.

Cymbals would be very similar to where I am now. HHXtremes are just too musical. I went from starting on AA's to HHX's so my ears won't care for that much brightness anymore.

My foray into hardcases just proved how useless and bulky they are. High quality bags are enough. PR is my go to and one hardware bag I have is 12 years old, looks new, and works every weekend for me.

I spent my first 20 years playing without finding "my" stick. Very frustrating. It took that long to go through everything on the market but I finally discovered maple 5B's and instantly knew my quest was over. I have been using Sucherman ProMarks for about 10 years and can't see playing without them. Perfection.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:02 PM
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I started with a cheap Starfire (some unknown asian brand) kit and no cymbals at age 14. My mom gave it to me for xmas. I never expected it and I've been always been very grateful for that, so I've never ever wished I had started on anything else.

Fast forward 27 years and I'm still playing cheap kits. My home kit is a 17-year old cheap Thunder (by Taye) kit, and my good kit, that I use for gigging, is a Sonor Player bought only 6 months ago. My cymbals are from a Mexican brand (they're probably rebranded chinese cymbals) and I spent about $500 per cymbal set (one for each kit). I probably have spent below $2K between all my acoustic drum gear. I could buy a very good kit; I have several instruments and some cost considerably more than all my drums. But for some reason I've never wanted it. Maybe I just don't have a good enough ear to know the difference.
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:07 PM
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10T, 12T, 14F, 16F, 22K Gretsch USA Custom, 6.5x14 Ludwig Supraphonic snare.
Zildjian K 14HH, 18C 19C. Zildjian K Custom 22 dark ride, Paiste 602 22 medium ride, 20C. Paiste 2002 8, 10 splash.
And a China. Still looking for the perfect one.
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I started on a Pearl Forum or Export and I recently got back into drumming and bought... a Pearl Export! It's the Toyota Corolla/Camry of drums. They are everywhere and they always work, even if somebody beat on em.

Honestly I would just get the 8-piece Export with the Jordison colorway and the JJ snare. And as I've never tried a rack before I would probably try a Pearl rack for when I actually set up the entire kit. But most of the time I'd rather play a modest 4 piece with normal stands. I would start filling it with Zildjian cymbals until I was satisfied. I would probably line it with Ebony Ambassadors.
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I would get a Yamaha Live Custom kit with Paiste 602 ME cymbals, both in large sizes.
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I started on a Pearl Export which I still play and have but if I had to fully start over, I'd probably steal Neil Peart's kit with the Slingerland snare to go along with it.
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Well even though I have much more money now then I did at 17 when I bought my current main drumset and started my cymbal purchasing, I'd more or less get the same stuff if I could. My drums have been out of production for like 15 years at this point (Sonor Force 2001) so I'd go with some mid-range Sonor, whatever models that is these days. Cymbal wise I'd probably go the same, but instead of the Zildjian 22" A ping ride, I'd go with something a bit more versatile like a 22" A Medium Ride, or even a 22" 2002 ride.
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