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Old 09-06-2017, 08:52 PM
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Well ladies and gentlemen drummers I have decided that after a thread I initiated ranting about the ubiquity of what I judge to be a sub standard quality drum manufacturer was shut down by this website's administrator I've have had enough. After considerable reflection i've concluded that free speech goes only so far on this website-its not as if I were insulting a fellow member or a drummer real or imagined. All I was doing was commenting on what in my judgment is an over priced and overrated drum company ad I thought the thread evolved into some interesting comments on the politics of inducement luring high profile drummers to inflate a company's perceived value.

I wish you all the best and you will see me someday on stage, on youtube or somewhere else. You will recognize me.

Drumlove signing off for good.
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:13 PM
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:34 PM
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You broke rule number one in the sticky by starting a thread to bash another brand.

I'm a little bit offended that failure to comprehend the rules and etiquette has turned to an accusation of free speech infringement.
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:43 PM
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http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=138526

The thread in question.

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Old 09-06-2017, 09:57 PM
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I can't help laughing at the title of the thread
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:36 PM
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No, there isn't freedom of speech on this forum. There never has been and there never will be. It's even written into the rules, which you are more-than-encouraged to read prior to posting.

Don't forget to close the door on the way out...
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:36 PM
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All the forums are the same, you kind of have to take them with a grain of salt. If you have a problem with a manufacturer and get so frustrated that you just need to vent about it, and maybe also give others a heads up about what they might be in for based on your experience, then you go into it knowing that there are always going to be a few brand loyal people out there who don't think you have the right to talk about said manufacturer. This is my third forum and there will probably come a day when I don't come here either anymore, I just haven't offended enough people yet. When I do though, I will just walk away. Its a little pointless to make make a statement to the world telling people to go f@€k themselves just to justify your position to a bunch of people who don't want to hear it anyway. I never read your thread, so I don't have an opinion on it, but I can relate to some of the things you described. Happy Trails!

EDIT: Oops, I guess I did respond to your thread, forgot about that... All I can offer is: everyone, including you, is entitled to an opinion, but maybe try not to get so emotionally invested in yours or other people's point of view.

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Old 09-06-2017, 10:41 PM
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:57 PM
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....I wish you all the best and you will see me someday on stage, on youtube or somewhere else. You will recognize me....

You'll be the guy not playing DW drums?
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:16 PM
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I agree, not a "freedom of speech" issue... unless government representatives are here.

One thing I like about this forum is that it's very general. Drumming. Drummers. That's it.

The forums I like the least are those that are focused on a specific brand of instrument or a specific player. Reading countless threads about how this person/brand kicks the ass of all others gets old after about ten minutes. It's more like a cult than a community.

As negative as he went in that thread, I'd also not go positive in that way. I did once, over ten years ago. Oh, this brand is SO great and special and blah blah blah. And then, I got taken aside by someone whom I consider to be a friend, and they kindly and thoroughly schooled me on why I was wrong. It was probably the most important phone conversation I've had regarding drumming. It was also rather embarrassing.

A positive or negative detail or experience is one thing, and can be expected. But I think an all-out blast on a product or player in either direction is a different beast. People get dogmatic, and conversations go south.

Even with the product I used to promote so whole-heartedly.... I won't name them or talk about how horrible they are, even if I think they've truly earned that. I find it better to say nothing about them. No press is no press.

That thread was not the best approach.

And announcements about leaving a forum? Yech.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:29 PM
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need to see a site like T--Adv---r, Drum Adv---r maybe. Businesses have no right of reply. Sad to see really .. Drum love!!! vaya con dios, nutha one bites the dust. i wouldn't close the door just leave it swingn'...
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'free speech'?! Not really, its more about common sense and decency.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:26 AM
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In my best Curly Bill voice....Well, Bye!
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:46 AM
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How do you bow with your head held high? Seems like a bit of a contradiction, and now I'm doubting that he's doing either.
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Old 09-07-2017, 01:25 AM
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Forum after forum I'm constantly amazed at how many grenades are launched by someone and they are offended that you are offended! OP, I know you're sitting back reading as a guest, but what did you think would happen when you opened a thread to bash a brand? What were those who have an enjoy the brand to do? Worship you for your wisdom? Immediately drop their drums and buy your favorite?

I think Bugs said it best....miehhhhh...what a maroon!
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Old 09-07-2017, 01:56 AM
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Well ladies and gentlemen drummers I have decided that after a thread I initiated ranting about the ubiquity of what I judge to be a sub standard quality drum manufacturer was shut down by this website's administrator I've have had enough. After considerable reflection i've concluded that free speech goes only so far on this website-its not as if I were insulting a fellow member or a drummer real or imagined. All I was doing was commenting on what in my judgment is an over priced and overrated drum company ad I thought the thread evolved into some interesting comments on the politics of inducement luring high profile drummers to inflate a company's perceived value.

I wish you all the best and you will see me someday on stage, on youtube or somewhere else. You will recognize me.

Drumlove signing off for good.
So have you owned a DW kit or did you spend a month with one to tweek? Probably not. I've seen many drummers play DW who sound amazing. The reason your thread is closed is because you are just talking out your blank blank.
It would be a different thread if you spoke of a complete failure drumset you bought that fell apart with no help from the company. You do not have to bash a company when you speak the truth. And you are just being a trivial troll basher.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:32 AM
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you will see me someday on stage, on youtube or somewhere else. You will recognize me.
I'm gonna take a guess and say "somewhere else" lol. 52 years old and you're sayin "'someday." The train left the station dude.

On a serious note, pro drummers can get any endorsement deal the want. The fact that many endorse DW speaks volumes.

Maybe not everyone's dream kit, but for many it is.

Geeze... it's just a drum set.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:38 AM
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For the record. I closed the thread, and I am only a lowly moderator and not the administrator. The thread was closed for the reason stated. Under the rules of the forum, that I try to enforce, and did not write, the thread was started solely to bash. Not to offer suggestion, or constructive advice.
And most important, this website forum is not run under the laws of or by the United States Constitution or the Bill Of Rights. The rules were written by the administration of the site and need to be enforced. Bernhard, Bermuda and I always try to be fair, but we need also to be firm.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:40 AM
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I thought this was going to be about a long time drummer who had to retire due to some difficulty.

Ha!
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:43 AM
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Whahahahaha....

And I thought you were more mature than that.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:51 AM
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I can't stand it any longer. All you Saturn lovers, with your heads held high.
I'm going to bow out too. You will know me someday. I'll be on a stage, and you'll know me. You'll know me by the awesome drum sound that you are hearing. And you'll be like, "Hey, isn't that?...." Your friend will agree, and says, "We should have been nicer to him. His drumming is awesome! He was a true dude!"

Good bye, my drumming brethren, and eat my dust!!!
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:09 AM
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I thought this was going to be about a long time drummer who had to retire due to some difficulty.
And, that's exactly what it is! :O

Certain other forums would simply accuse him of flouncing off in a cloud of talc!
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:04 AM
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'free speech'?! Not really, its more about common sense and decency.
I've been ridiculed by many other opinions than mine here on quite a number of occasions, the problem is not free speech but the unfair advantage some have and others not, let him be. pushing him out the door is just as rude as dissing.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:30 AM
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Drumlove65 didn't cover himself with glory with his DW post.
He didn't cover himself with glory by starting this thread.
Many Forum Members haven't covered themselves with glory with their bullying rude "farewells" on this thread. If I was reading them directed at me I'd be upset.
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Old 09-07-2017, 11:03 AM
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"unmoved" doesn't seem to be the case. some gear isn't everyones cup of tea , big deal! so what! etc.
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I've been ridiculed by many other opinions than mine here on quite a number of occasions, the problem is not free speech but the unfair advantage some have and others not, let him be. pushing him out the door is just as rude as dissing.

I've followed your posts here with great interest since you began Pete. I can't ever recall a time when you've not been given a fair hearing here. Certainly doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I'd be lying if I said I was across everything. But all things considered, I reckon trying to pull the victim card is pretty rich. You're a hell of a long way from being "downtrodden" on this forum. You're a respected member here mate. With a shit load to offer......embrace it.
Just as Drumlove should've done. He over reacted after a silly post was dealt with accordingly. No need to get his back up and run for the hills, whining all the way. No need for you to either. Just keep doing your thing......that goes for Drumlove too!!
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Old 09-07-2017, 11:18 AM
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Down trodden, Victim.. your words. I don't feel victimised. i don't feel i haven't been given a fair "ear. Many have torn a new "A" hole on all kinds of products. Gibraltar Catapult for instance.. Why is a Silly post so upsetting? I don't like such 'n such... pooh! naughty ! remove him immediately .. It's a bit Monty Python don't ya reckon? Grow Up!https://youtu.be/SkiOEFGQGFU they are just differences of opinions..
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Down trodden, Victim.. your words. I don't feel victimised. i don't feel i haven't been given a fair "ear. Many have torn a new "A" hole on all kinds of products. Gibraltar Catapult for instance.. Why is a Silly post so upsetting? I don't like such 'n such... pooh! naughty ! remove him immediately .. It's a bit Monty Python don't ya reckon? Grow Up!https://youtu.be/SkiOEFGQGFU they are just differences of opinions..
Not upsetting to me. I didn't shut the thing down. You'd have to ask Grunt.....although I think he's already made it abundantly clear why. What's left to second guess or ponder? Why should anyone have to "grow up" when the ground rules have been established long before we knew this place existed? Tow the line as Bernhard laid it out and everyone is left free to act their own age, I would have thought.

As for the rest, particularly the rest pertaining to you. Yes, perhaps they were my words. But they were the overriding theme I gleaned from your post. Clearly I've misread it. I thought I detected a distinct tone of "woe is me" in your post I quoted from. And as such I was merely trying to allay any fears that you (and Drumlove....and anyone else for that matter) may have had. As far as I'm concerned, you blokes contribute a lot. Your input speaks for itself. Why cry foul because of one post that is called into question, when you can embrace the other 100 posts that have been invaluable?

But as you've stated, I got it wrong.

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I've been ridiculed by many other opinions than mine here on quite a number of occasions, the problem is not free speech but the unfair advantage some have and others not, let him be. pushing him out the door is just as rude as dissing.
didn't mean what I originally thought it meant. It was I who misread it. It either means that I can't read the lie of the land. Or that I'm completely full of shit. Either way, it matters not in the long run. Carry on. As long as you're not trying to claim that anyone was harshly dealt with, it's all good.
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Fair Enough! Maybe the ground rules are outdated then, not my call, but as a member i don't think i like oranges but i don't like apples is reason to get antsy.. I will say though i prefer Nigel on the Slings as well.. oh yeah! by the way i don't see the woe is me stuff in my posts..
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I've been interested in the concept of free speech lately, because everybody seems to think they have a constitutional right to offend anyone they like.

I found this summary in Wikipedia:
"...common limitations to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury."

So if you committed any of these, the moderators have every right to remove it..
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I've been ridiculed by many other opinions than mine here on quite a number of occasions, the problem is not free speech but the unfair advantage some have and others not, let him be. pushing him out the door is just as rude as dissing.
There was no pushing out the door. The OP simply overlooked a basic forum rule and over-reacted when the thread was closed down. I doubt that the thread was a deliberate troll, but its a pity he didn't realise that writing that ALL products of a certain company are sub-par is likely to offend lots of Forum members ("hey, your drums are shit") and the thread would degenerate into a squabble-fest, the Mod simply doused the flames before they took hold. No big deal.
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I think the OP should cool his heels and not be so sensitive to having a thread removed-it isn't personal. I"d have quit long ago if that's the standard. Obviously you enjoy the forum and I think you will miss the interaction. Grunt and others do a great job of monitoring the forum and try to fairly implement the rules-plenty of people push the envelope and Grunt just removes the post or thread-he doesn't email you and berate you for behavior. I think all want a free exchange of ideas and I think they often allow some leeway-till the need to cut it off because it can go astray. I think the difference is often that of projected criticism vs constructive criticism, which the later is preferred.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:27 PM
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No, there isn't freedom of speech on this forum. There never has been and there never will be. It's even written into the rules, which you are more-than-encouraged to read prior to posting.

Don't forget to close the door on the way out...
seems like a out the door reference to me. and freedom of speech. here is my exchange of ideas... I'd rather play these than d dubs any day.... look above... discussion for drum related topics, exchange ideas and information.
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seems like a out the door reference to me. and freedom of speech. here is my exchange of ideas... I'd rather play these than d dubs any day.... look above... discussion for drum related topics, exchange ideas and information.
Its an out the door reference, sure. But you can't attempt to push someone through a door that he's already exited...

You'd rather play those drums than DWs - OK. I'd rather play those drums than my Premier Artist Birch set, that's because I strongly suspect they are much better drums than mine (not to mention the 'eye candy' aspect) but that doesn't imply that I believe all Premier drums are second rate. Just like you didn't insinuate DWs are second rate product - see the difference?
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I can't think of any other brand of drums that have such polar opposite opinions about their quality or sound. Personally, I have always been unimpressed with them. I played a set again a few days ago. Man, just adjusting the mounts and stands took forever. It's really hard to believe anyone thinks they're of any use at all.
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I can't think of any other brand of drums that have such polar opposite opinions about their quality or sound. Personally, I have always been unimpressed with them. I played a set again a few days ago. Man, just adjusting the mounts and stands took forever. It's really hard to believe anyone thinks they're of any use at all.
So while we are on the topic of polarization, why don't we just start with polarizing comments!

I really don't care either way and don't have DWs, but I don't get these types of comments at all. I see a Yamaha kit, I turn a lug and adjust stands up and down or rotate drums forward and back, tilt a cymbal toward me or flat. I can do the same on DWs, Gretsch, Mapex or PDP. What's the difference exactly? Now I do like lighter weight stands, but that's because I don't hit hard and can't justify the cost and weight. How are DWs less adjustable or take for ever?
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I will say though i prefer Nigel on the Slings as well..
Heck yea. There was nothing more I wanted as a kid than that drum kit. Deep toms and wood hoops.

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I'm amazed at the inability of people to analyze things and think critically. The OP started a thread which was solely intended to bash a certain brand of drums - a clear violation of the rules of this privately operated forum. The brand of equipment and its merits are totally irrelevant! I can't believe he's surprised and offended the thread got shut down, and I can't believe we're still debating the thread in question. I don't suppose I should be surprised by either, though.

Shaking my head and laughing. Always entertaining here!
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