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Old 08-11-2017, 08:03 PM
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Looking back about 25 years we have seen so many new products used to make drums from.eg; glass, plastic, fiber glass, sawdust, metals I,ve never heard of etc.
List goes on forever!

Can you think of something that has been over looked that you think we should try using to make the "bestest drum ever"??
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:55 PM
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I would think if there was a better material for drums, that isn't cost prohibitive, it would already be known. Unfortunately, economics plays a major disproportionate role in drum tone. Like if solid gold made a great tone, who could buy them?
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Well. DW has only made snares of concrete. Not a whole kit yet. Actually, there are quite a few matrials that have only been used in snares and not whole kits. e.g. titanium.

Certainly agree with Larry on the cost factor.

Must say I haven't seen much in the way of spruce, cedar, pine etc.., though.

Miron glass?

Clay? (Poor drum tech)

Vulcanized rubber.

Silver

Gold and platinum is used in flutes. They start at $60.000 or something. lol


Better to use some semi-finished products, like gluing togeter som lego, guitar pickups, car tires or beer cans.


How about baking some drums....with whole grain organic spelt.
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:36 PM
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There are ICE drums, not very practical though.

https://cdn1.wimp.com/images/thumbs/...e_1316_866.jpg

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Old 08-11-2017, 10:02 PM
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Carbon fiber has been done a fair amount. And Dunnett did a full titanium kit... Thing was crazy expensive though, IIRC. There's also a Japanese company called Kitano that makes titanium kits.
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Looking back about 25 years we have seen so many new products used to make drums from.eg; glass, plastic, fiber glass, sawdust, metals I,ve never heard of etc.
List goes on forever!

Can you think of something that has been over looked that you think we should try using to make the "bestest drum ever"??
Maybe a graphite composite of some sorts would be an interesting material.

You could make very thin ply shells with a layer of graphite for strength.

No need for reinforcing rings.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:18 PM
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I would like to see someone make a drum shell with a center ply of some sort of membrane.
For instance a 3 ply shell: an outside ply of maple, next a ply of honeycomb or vertical strips with air in between them, then a maple ply inside.

I was thinking it might allow the shell to resonate more as air flows through the center of the shell.
Or it might allow the inside and outside plys to vibrate; producing some new and interesting tones.


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Old 08-11-2017, 11:19 PM
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I would think if there was a better material for drums, that isn't cost prohibitive, it would already be known. Unfortunately, economics plays a major disproportionate role in drum tone. Like if solid gold made a great tone, who could buy them?
Good point about cost.
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:22 AM
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Going the opposite route, I've thought of creating drums made out of PVC pipe for the extremely budget conscious, i.e. low-income school districts, residents of poverty-stricken nations, etc. I don't know how much cheaper it'd be vs. wood, and I have no idea how they would sound, but it's an interesting premise.
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:43 AM
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Going the opposite route, I've thought of creating drums made out of PVC pipe for the extremely budget conscious, i.e. low-income school districts, residents of poverty-stricken nations, etc. I don't know how much cheaper it'd be vs. wood, and I have no idea how they would sound, but it's an interesting premise.
There was a company around in the late 80s/early 90s called Ugly Percussion that made PVC drums. Never got a chance to try them, but seemed like an interesting idea.
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:52 AM
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There was a company around in the late 80s/early 90s called Ugly Percussion that made PVC drums. Never got a chance to try them, but seemed like an interesting idea.
Guess I wasn't the first to think of PVC as a drum-making material. I hate it when I think I have a novel idea, only to find out it's been done before :(

Anyway, I tried to find something on Ugly Percussion, but didn't see anything. However I did come across this thread on DW from a few years ago.
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I would like to see someone make a drum shell with a center ply of some sort of membrane.
For instance a 3 ply shell: an outside ply of maple, next a ply of honeycomb or vertical strips with air in between them, then a maple ply inside.

I was thinking it might allow the shell to resonate more as air flows through the center of the shell.
Or it might allow the inside and outside plys to vibrate; producing some new and interesting tones.


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I am thinking the honey comb or air layer would just kill the sound as air normally does. I would like to see more solid drums. Logs lathed into one piece drums. The first drums, hollowed logs.
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Old 08-12-2017, 02:16 AM
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Guess I wasn't the first to think of PVC as a drum-making material. I hate it when I think I have a novel idea, only to find out it's been done before :(

Anyway, I tried to find something on Ugly Percussion, but didn't see anything. However I did come across this thread on DW from a few years ago.
Pretty sure they're long gone now. But googling the name, I found them mentioned on a couple forums, but no pics or real info.
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Old 08-12-2017, 02:48 AM
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Pretty impressed with aluminum. I've never played a rolled kit but my seamless kit sound amazing and is super light. Seems like the perfect material.
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Old 08-12-2017, 02:51 AM
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I saw Johnny Rabb play a tom made of a heavy cardboard tube. When miced you could not tell the difference.
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Old 08-12-2017, 04:09 AM
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5 ply candy shells made from hard boiled sweets with liquorice reinforcement rings. Kind of like acrylic except you can eat these drums. The bass drum logo would be 'Willy Wonka'.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:15 AM
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Merlin..great idea??

Grunter...sono tube is a "cardboard" type material currently used in the construction industry to pour concrete pillars and support structures.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:35 PM
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Hemp fiber is one I have thought about. Studies have shown its a stronger construction material than wood composites, waterproof, cheap and sustainable. Maybe we could see it in the future as its close cousin is becoming legal throughout the states now...

Make note, I had the idea first! (Past seven years at least)

We'll call it AcoustiKRON!

Well crap. Just googled it. Someone made a snare from it...
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:29 AM
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Merlin..great idea??

Grunter...sono tube is a "cardboard" type material currently used in the construction industry to pour concrete pillars and support structures.
That's what they used......
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:31 AM
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https://www.google.com/search?q=drum...utf-8&oe=utf-8

1st hit is from this forum about 7 years ago.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:34 AM
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https://www.google.com/search?q=drum...utf-8&oe=utf-8

1st hit is from this forum about 7 years ago.
Wasn't there the first time I googled it. Or at least not front page. Unfortunalty I had no idea at the time how to gather the material or create the shells, and now I know how but don't have the funds.

Seems to happen a lot. Get a great never before heard idea, and some one beats you to it.
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:28 AM
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I would like to see someone make a drum shell with a center ply of some sort of membrane.
For instance a 3 ply shell: an outside ply of maple, next a ply of honeycomb or vertical strips with air in between them, then a maple ply inside.

I was thinking it might allow the shell to resonate more as air flows through the center of the shell.
Or it might allow the inside and outside plys to vibrate; producing some new and interesting tones.
That's what Premier thought too when they made the Resonator line. Most owners ended up removing the inner ply.
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:41 AM
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How about some form of recycled plastic?..It would have to be re inforced somehow, but lord knows we have enough "plastic" choking our planet already, and are the drum heads we use not plastic?
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:01 AM
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I would like to see someone make a drum shell with a center ply of some sort of membrane.
For instance a 3 ply shell: an outside ply of maple, next a ply of honeycomb or vertical strips with air in between them, then a maple ply inside.

I was thinking it might allow the shell to resonate more as air flows through the center of the shell.
Or it might allow the inside and outside plys to vibrate; producing some new and interesting tones.


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That's what Premier thought too when they made the Resonator line. Most owners ended up removing the inner ply.
Interesting. Thanks !


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5 ply candy shells made from hard boiled sweets with liquorice reinforcement rings. Kind of like acrylic except you can eat these drums. The bass drum logo would be 'Willy Wonka'.
Now that's what I call thinking outside the box... of chocolates! :)
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Here you go - for those concerned primarily with resale value! Yes, this actually exists. Someone commissioned my friend Alan to make this. It's now with it's owner, at a sale price of a mere £200,000GBP ($258,000USD).
I could buy a house for that... And some really nice drums to put in it...
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Here you go - for those concerned primarily with resale value! Yes, this actually exists. Someone commissioned my friend Alan to make this. It's now with it's owner, at a sale price of a mere £200,000GBP ($258,000USD).
I assume it's rolled, right? How does it sound? What kind of bearing edges does it have?
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:47 PM
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I bet it sounds expensive. Hahaha
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hmmmm; over 300k Canadian eh?..I guess I could sell off a few old Sabians, and a really nice Olympic snare?
I cant tell, but I assume it has that really nice Dunet throw-off. For that kind of money..it better!:]
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That's a real Beaut, Andy.

Another I'd like to see would be a .925 Sterling Silver version.
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Depleted uranium shells. It's really dense stuff, but I believe working with it may pose health hazzards.
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I know DW did bamboo. At least a little bit. It was one of their kits, if not the only, I enjoyed the sound of (not a knock on them, great stuff just not my sound). Maybe more people should experiment with it.

It grows fast. Grows like weeds really.
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I know DW did bamboo. At least a little bit. It was one of their kits, if not the only, I enjoyed the sound of (not a knock on them, great stuff just not my sound). Maybe more people should experiment with it.

It grows fast. Grows like weeds really.
Still on the books, apparently, though I can't find it listed as "available" at retailers:

http://www.dwdrums.com/drums/ecox/

They sound like drums to me.
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yeah I think the next big material will be some sort of wood fibre infused resin material, like laminate floors or resin exterior decking material are made from. Maybe 3d printed into shape.

Bamboo is also going to be a big material someday. Wood is getting more and more expensive as a building material. Years ago I worked with a company that was making factories all over the world for making plywood and particleboard style materials out of local materials. With the resin, any fibrous material is an option.
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Maybe one day you will buy a 2x2 box that contains your drum kit shells, hardware, etc. You open it looks like black dust but put a magnetic field to it and the carbon nanotube dust will self assemble to form your drums before your eyes. Maybe have drum heads that seat by magnetic locks that you can adjust the head with one adjustment knob. It'd be cool if you were playing Kansas "Dust in the Wind" and at the end have your drums disassemble into dust that blows in the wind-no more bashing drums. Along the carbon lines graphene would be an interesting material-stronger than steel, transparent, it would look like glass-and the thinnest drum shells ever made and practically indestructible.
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Can you think of something that has been over looked that you think we should try using to make the "bestest drum ever"??

I can't think of anything that's been overlooked, but I can't wait for the day where they will make an e-drumset that I actually like. It's sort of funny because while I love the convenience of an e-drumset, I bet that I'd end up carrying a bunch of PA gear to make it sound decent...or I could just carry and acoustic drumset with the same, or less, backache.
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I know DW did bamboo. At least a little bit. It was one of their kits, if not the only, I enjoyed the sound of (not a knock on them, great stuff just not my sound). Maybe more people should experiment with it.

It grows fast. Grows like weeds really.
Yamaha did it before them for snare drums, one of the Signature line was bamboo (Sonny Emory?). I seem to recall the drums were prone to structural problems though.
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