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Old 07-02-2017, 12:03 PM
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Hello everyone, I've been looking at kits that I can upgrade to in the near future. My current kit is a Pearl Roadshow 4-piece Bop kit. I have listed some kits here.

1. PDP Concept Maple 5-piece
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...ece-shell-pack

2. Gretsch Catalina 4-piece
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...h-20-bass-drum

3. Pearl Decade Maple 5-piece
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...ece-shell-pack

4.Yamaha Stage Custom Birch 5-piece
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...inch-bass-drum


I'm also open about buying used as they are cheaper.


I mostly play jazz, swing, and fusion type music. I play soft rock sometimes.

Also, if you are in the USA, sorry about the Canadian prices. I'm in Toronto, Canada as I'm typing this. I will try to find US prices on these kits when I go to New York City.
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Old 07-04-2017, 02:23 AM
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Have you tried any of those kits?

The Stage Customs get a lot of good talk on this forum. I haven't seen anyone getting the Decade Maples here yet.

Seems like you've got to narrow it down a bit, as to what you're after.
3 of the kits have 20" bass drums and one has 22"
3 are five piece sets, and one is 4 piece.
2 are maple, one is birch, and one is billed as mahogany.

I'd say first, decide if you want another 4 piece kit, or if you want to go with 5.
Then decide on if you want a 20" bass drum, or a 22".
Then decide if you want maple, birch, or something else.

One of the finishes might be more to your liking too.
You might also want to consider the availability of add-on drums.
The Stage Customs are very good in that area.

And yes - you can get more for your money by buying used.
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:05 AM
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#1 and #4, and used.
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:14 AM
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For the price of those new kits you could find a used Gretsch Renown kit and be better off
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:34 AM
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No. You are wrong.
You don't need help choosing a second kit.
You are doing a good job on your own.


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Old 07-04-2017, 03:40 AM
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I personally love my Jenkins-Martin kit, they're crazy resonant. The toms all sound like they're 2" bigger than they are. You could get an 8-10-12-18 and sound like a bigger kit. They'd be lighter and easier to haul.
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Old 07-04-2017, 06:52 AM
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Have you tried any of those kits?

The Stage Customs get a lot of good talk on this forum. I haven't seen anyone getting the Decade Maples here yet.

Seems like you've got to narrow it down a bit, as to what you're after.
3 of the kits have 20" bass drums and one has 22"
3 are five piece sets, and one is 4 piece.
2 are maple, one is birch, and one is billed as mahogany.

I'd say first, decide if you want another 4 piece kit, or if you want to go with 5.
Then decide on if you want a 20" bass drum, or a 22".
Then decide if you want maple, birch, or something else.

One of the finishes might be more to your liking too.
You might also want to consider the availability of add-on drums.
The Stage Customs are very good in that area.

And yes - you can get more for your money by buying used.
Yeah, I like 20" bass drums, perfect size for me. I might go with 5 piece, because the music I play, sometimes requires using that extra tom although I'm more comfortable playing a 4-piece kit. I could remove one tom if I wanted to. I originally wanted a maple shell kit, but I want to try birch shells. My kit has poplar shells, and birch shells would be a huge step up to what I have. Now, the type of finish I want is a natural finish which I'm pretty sure the Stage Custom has.
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Old 07-04-2017, 07:02 AM
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No. You are wrong.
You don't need help choosing a second kit.
You are doing a good job on your own.


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I know, but this is an opportunity that I will never get to do in a few years after I upgrade my kit. If I plan ahead, I will know which kit I like the most.
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Old 07-04-2017, 07:12 AM
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For the price of those new kits you could find a used Gretsch Renown kit and be better off
I would buy a used Gretsch Renown, but they're still expensive. I live in the US, but as of writing this, I'm taking a vacation in Canada right now, so that explains the Canadian prices.
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Old 07-04-2017, 08:49 AM
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Out of those kits, I'd choose the Stage Customs.

If you had other options, it would be worth considering the Tama Silverstar and Sonor S-Force as well.
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Old 07-04-2017, 08:58 AM
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Yeah, I like 20" bass drums, perfect size for me. I might go with 5 piece, because the music I play, sometimes requires using that extra tom although I'm more comfortable playing a 4-piece kit. I could remove one tom if I wanted to. I originally wanted a maple shell kit, but I want to try birch shells. My kit has poplar shells, and birch shells would be a huge step up to what I have. Now, the type of finish I want is a natural finish which I'm pretty sure the Stage Custom has.

Yep - #4 then.
Stage Custom, 5 piece w/20" bass drum, birch shells in natural wood finish.
That was easy, right?
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha/S...92739388429.gc

If you ever decide you want to expand the kit, the sizes you can get are listed here under 'size variation':
https://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/mu...l#product-tabs

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Old 07-04-2017, 01:23 PM
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I would buy a used Gretsch Renown, but they're still expensive. I live in the US, but as of writing this, I'm taking a vacation in Canada right now, so that explains the Canadian prices.
I'm not sure where in the States you live, but I see many Renown Kits for sale for the 600-700 price range. Drums only.
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Old 07-04-2017, 06:17 PM
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Hi VicFirthDrummer420 and welcome to DW. I have been behind the Stage Custom & Decade kits and both will fit the bill for what you are looking for. Both are quality kits for the price. The Decade comes with a shell lifetime warranty. The base and toms tune up a little better than the SC but that's IMO. The SC I think has better shell hardware but that's agian IMO.

As other's have said look into Sonor's Force Series or their Players Special Editiion kits. I am a big Sonor fan. Also, take a look a the Mapex Armory kits. They are solid for the price and you can choose one of five snares. Mapex makes good snares in any range.
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Old 07-04-2017, 06:38 PM
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Don't forget to check out the tom mounts: do you want to hang toms or mount to the kick? Makes a difference in your equipment choices...
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Old 07-04-2017, 06:55 PM
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I vote Yamaha Stage Custom. It gives you the 20" bass drum that you want, in a 5 piece configuration, with the option to add a smaller rack tom or larger floor tom later. The PDP .... in order to get the 20" kick, looks like you get it as a 4 piece only. Same with Catalina Club. Pearl looks like you have similar options as the Yamaha .... but I have never seen or heard this kit. Stage Customs, on the other hand, have been around for a long time, and will probably be around for a long time. All round good drums.
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:39 PM
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Out of those kits, I'd choose the Stage Customs.

If you had other options, it would be worth considering the Tama Silverstar and Sonor S-Force as well.
Yeah, I want to check out some Sonor drums.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:06 AM
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I would go with the Pearl set. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:37 AM
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Are you keeping your current Pearl Roadshow kit?
If you are, the Pearl maple would be a good choice because you'll have matching hardware, tom arms, stands, etc. Then you could just buy a shell pack.

I'm a fan of the Yamahas too - recently bought another 20" SCB for my school. That makes five of them! The 20 x 17 bass sounds very good, and it's a versatile kit.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:04 PM
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I'm a big fan of maple drums, so that knocks it down to the Pearl and the PDP. After looking at the specs and pics, I would go with the PDP, and here's why:

1. I hate Pearl tom mounts. Pearl NEEDS to embrace the ball and socket drum mount technology of the early 1990s. Every time I see a new Pearl kit with those pieces of plumbing being used as tom mounts, I always think, "Ya'll STILL doing that???"

2. For my ears, there is absolutely no substitute for a 16" floor tom. I love the look of a 14", but a 16" sounds better IMO.

3. The hardware and finish look better to me. That PDP charcoal fade makes all of the Pearl Decade finishes look cheap and amateur.


I'm on the fence about a couple of features:

1. The PDP drums are 7 ply and the Pearls are 6 ply, and PDP does not offer info regarding the overall thickness of their drums. I'm not sure that one ply is going to make THAT much difference in terms of tone.

2. I'm not terribly keen on the PDP suspension mounts (the ones that go around the lugs). In addition, I've not seen the Pearl suspension mounts up close either, so it's a tough call in regards as to which I like better.

3. I think the only advantage that the Pearl kit has over the PDP kit is the 20" kick. I like traveling with a 20" kick, but if I'm going to keep my drums in place for a while, a 22" is great.

4. I prefer a 12" x 8" rack tom as opposed to a 12" x 9", but I don't think that it's going to make much of a difference there. I'm just splitting hairs at this point.

All in all, I'd buy used; however, left with the four choices above, I'd go with the PDP.
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Old 07-08-2017, 07:03 AM
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Are you keeping your current Pearl Roadshow kit?
If you are, the Pearl maple would be a good choice because you'll have matching hardware, tom arms, stands, etc. Then you could just buy a shell pack.

I'm a fan of the Yamahas too - recently bought another 20" SCB for my school. That makes five of them! The 20 x 17 bass sounds very good, and it's a versatile kit.
Yeah, but I want to try something different. I might use the Pearl as a practice kit. There's no hardware I can use from the Pearl kit besides the hi-hat stand, snare stand, a cymbal stand I bought seperately, throne, and kick drum pedal. I don't have a cymbal stand for my ride cymbal as it's mounted on the kick drum. I might end up buying a cymbal stand for my ride cymbal.
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I own a PDP Concept Maple 7 piece.. I LOVE IT!!

Obviously you're going to do whatever sounds best to you, but I would say the PDP is a solid choice and so is the Yamaha..

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I own a PDP Concept Maple 7 piece.. I LOVE IT!!

Obviously you're going to do whatever sounds best to you, but I would say the PDP is a solid choice and so is the Yamaha..

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The ones in the pics are ECs.. I've recently changed to G2 Clears for all except for the 8 inch toms, which are G1 Clears.

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The ones in the pics are ECs.. I've recently changed to G2 Clears for all except for the 8 inch toms, which are G1 Clears.

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I think I might try the Evans EC1 for my toms and a Remo CS Reverse Dot for the snare.
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Any of them would be ok.

I reckon the Yamaha is the one to go for.
I have a Stage custom as my share gigging kit and it punched way about its weight.
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I would buy these before anything you have listed. I've seen pros using the Armory kits.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mapex-Armory...cAAOSwjqVZCNqR
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I would buy these before anything you have listed. I've seen pros using the Armory kits.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mapex-Armory...cAAOSwjqVZCNqR
Second. :-) Fabulous drums for the price. The "Fusion" 5-piece has a 20" kick and 14" floor. http://mapexdrums.com/us/products/drum-sets/armory/

That said, out of your list I'd go with the PDP.
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I would buy these before anything you have listed. I've seen pros using the Armory kits.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mapex-Armory...cAAOSwjqVZCNqR
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Armory kits are great!
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I second this motion.

Armory kits are great!
Hey! I already seconded it! You thirded it! :-P
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