DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > General Discussion

General Discussion General discussion forum for all drum related topics. Use this forum to exchange ideas and information with your fellow drummers.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 05-15-2017, 02:46 PM
billy shears billy shears is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 11
Default Underrated

Name, in your opinion, an underrated (doesn't typically come up in conversation) drum part. I'll offer two:

"Badman's Song" (Manu Katche) by Tears for Fears...just beautiful

"Lonely Boy" (Mike Botts) by Andrew Gold...not sure how many people really listen to the drum part on Lonely Boy
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-15-2017, 02:57 PM
GruntersDad's Avatar
GruntersDad GruntersDad is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Gulf Coast Seminole, Florida
Posts: 21,488
Default Re: Underrated

What makes a drum part underrated? What are some parameters?
__________________
johnny
Suum cuique tribuere....
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-15-2017, 02:59 PM
Mongrel's Avatar
Mongrel Mongrel is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Jersey, USA
Posts: 660
Default Re: Underrated

Bill Haley and the Comets...."Thirteen Women". Just a great "hook" with an underststed but perfect drum part.

https://g.co/kgs/kt71Ix

Billy Guesack on drums...

Note: for me "underrated" meant what Billy Shears said-"not normally brought up in conversation" as an example of a great drum part. Something cool, but off the beaten path a bit.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-15-2017, 03:04 PM
mikyok's Avatar
mikyok mikyok is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Tipton in the mighty Black Country
Posts: 1,403
Default Re: Underrated

Phil Gould - All of his level 42 stuff.

Steve Gadd - Barbra Streisand Make It Like a Memory
__________________
I aint farting on no snare drum
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-15-2017, 04:14 PM
Icetech's Avatar
Icetech Icetech is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Detroit
Posts: 1,008
Default Re: Underrated

James Gadson (sp?) blows my mind.. for some of you it's probably the simplest song but damn.. and i never hear his name mentioned at all..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcFaVfTDWcs

That groove...
__________________
He boiled for my sins...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-15-2017, 04:55 PM
8Mile's Avatar
8Mile 8Mile is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 3,736
Default Re: Underrated

Quote:
Originally Posted by billy shears View Post
"Lonely Boy" (Mike Botts) by Andrew Gold...not sure how many people really listen to the drum part on Lonely Boy
Oh yeah.

The drum parts I tend to love in popular songs are the really expressive ones where the drum part is well-considered and beyond a straight groove, but complements the song perfectly. Doesn't have to be technically difficult—and usually isn't—but serves the music in an above-and-beyond way.

And Lonely Boy definitely qualifies. I always liked the song and I persuaded a band I was in to play it for a while. I love the drum part. It just sounds to me like every part reflects the song it was built around. The sleigh bells he plays during the choruses are a nice touch; I wonder if those were Botts' idea or if they were suggested by Andrew or the producer. And the way he builds the parts as the song progresses. The floor tom on the + of 4 during the last verse. So tasty.

Another example for me would be The Wheel, by Rosanne Cash. I'm not 100% sure which drummer played on that specific track, but I believe it's Dennis McDermott.

Promises In The Dark by Pat Benatar (Myron Grombacher).

Middle Of The Road by The Pretenders (Martin Chambers).
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-15-2017, 06:01 PM
billy shears billy shears is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 11
Default Re: Underrated

Quote:
Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD View Post
What makes a drum part underrated? What are some parameters?
Perhaps underrated is the wrong word choice. All drum parts stand on their own, but there are the ones everyone seems to always mention...Tom Sawyer, Late in the Evening, Fool in the Rain, etc. What I meant to ask is do you ever hear a a song and say, "wow, that's a great groove" and it just goes under the radar when great drum grooves are being discussed. I hope this makes a bit more sense.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-15-2017, 06:05 PM
Dr_Watso's Avatar
Dr_Watso Dr_Watso is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,865
Default Re: Underrated

I always thought "Radar Love" had a really great drum part. Not complicated or bombastic for the most part but the groove is unrelenting through the different song parts.
__________________
"I always wanted to be remembered for; being honest. Nothing else is worth a damn." - Lemmy
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-15-2017, 06:18 PM
billy shears billy shears is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 11
Default Re: Underrated

8mile, great take on Lonely Boy...sleigh bells! Botts would actually play the sleigh bell part live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qPGIC0FfZk

Check out the greasy drum fill by Manu Katche on Badman's Song at about 6:06....right after they sing the lyric "when I hear soft whispers at the break of day"

Dr. Watso, "Radar Love" is a great drum part

and Icetech, "Use Me" is sick! That's a groove
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-15-2017, 06:18 PM
larryace's Avatar
larryace larryace is offline
"Uncle Larry"
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In beautiful Bucks County, PA
Posts: 19,645
Default Re: Underrated

"Come Dancin" by Jeff Beck with Narada Michael Walden on drums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMW1MOZbdLY

One of my favorite all time beats/grooves.

OMG the song is 41 years old now. This beat is a hidden gem that IMO should be as popular as "Fool", "Roseanna" and the like.

I've been trying to play that beat right since I first heard it. I still can't play it perfectly, but I can play it passably.

I like it because the song starts with this great beat. Akin to "Lido Shuffle" where the drumbeat kicks the song off and is so damn infectious.

The drums really set the tone for both those songs.

The bass line is another gem.
__________________
Sucking all the fun right out of life...

Last edited by larryace; 05-15-2017 at 06:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-15-2017, 06:47 PM
pgm554's Avatar
pgm554 pgm554 is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 1,354
Default Re: Underrated

Bobby Colomby on BS&T God Bless the Child.

In fact BC should be in the drumming hall of fame.
__________________
Pearl MCX Gretsch Renown and many many Fibes snares.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-15-2017, 10:17 PM
Ron_M's Avatar
Ron_M Ron_M is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 223
Default Re: Underrated

Chuck E.'s in Love (Gadd). One of my all-time favorites.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-15-2017, 11:29 PM
larryace's Avatar
larryace larryace is offline
"Uncle Larry"
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In beautiful Bucks County, PA
Posts: 19,645
Default Re: Underrated

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron_M View Post
Chuck E.'s in Love (Gadd). One of my all-time favorites.
Oh that is sweet. Greasy as Southern Fried Chicken.
__________________
Sucking all the fun right out of life...
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-16-2017, 12:33 AM
TK-421's Avatar
TK-421 TK-421 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 176
Default Re: Underrated

Quote:
Originally Posted by billy shears View Post
"Badman's Song" (Manu Katche) by Tears for Fears...just beautiful
+1 on that for sure. I was in a Tears For Fears tribute band, and always wanted to learn that one. Unfortunately that never happened.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikyok View Post
Phil Gould - All of his level 42 stuff.
Absolutely. Phil Gould + Mark King = pure gold!

I also like Jason McGerr's grooves with Death Cab for Cutie, especially on 'Brothers on a Hotel Bed' and 'We Looked Like Giants'.

Then there's Ashwin Sood's offbeat groove on Sarah McLachlan's 'Wait' and Bun E. Carlos' solo on 'Dream Police' (Cheap Trick).

I'm sure I could come up with tons more.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com