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Old 03-12-2017, 06:45 PM
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Just bought a used cymbal from GC and am sending it off to Sabian for a refresh.

When I took the same exact box to UPS to ship the total came to $65 bucks!

GC sent it to me from back east(Georgia) and if you look at their UPS ship cost ,it was like $15.39.
Post Office was like $52.
And for the $40 bucks that Sabian charges , it includes the ship back cost.

What is going on?
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Old 03-12-2017, 06:58 PM
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This guy gets it pretty right.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...1144921AAT6Wqb

Many factors... One thing that isn't mention is that employees have become MUCH more expensive in the last 8 years. My health insurance went from $11K to $38k in the last 8 years for example, which is fronted by my employers.
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Just bought a used cymbal from GC and am sending it off to Sabian for a refresh.

When I took the same exact box to UPS to ship the total came to $65 bucks!

GC sent it to me from back east(Georgia) and if you look at their UPS ship cost ,it was like $15.39.
Post Office was like $52.
And for the $40 bucks that Sabian charges , it includes the ship back cost.

What is going on?
Given your location (SF Bay) I would advise trying to find a friend who works for a big company to ship it through their mail room. Big companies get HUGE discounts from shipping companies.

But yeah, as others noted, prices have gone up in general, and a cymbal is the worst of all worlds: oddly-shaped, metal, and heavy.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:18 PM
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I shipped Sabian a 21 inch ride last year and it cost me like $26 bucks.

I could see like $30ish,but more than double in less than a year?

CA is a fairly stupid place for taxes and stuff ,but I can't see that type of increase in such a short period of time.
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You need to know, as I found out the hard way, that they now charge as much for size as weight. How big was the box? I found out the difference in a 6 inch box is much less expensive than a 8 inch box. In order to sufficiently pack a large cymbal , you need at least a 6 inch deep box stuffed with goods. Also, how much did you insure it for? I'm guessing the 21 inch plus box put you over the size limit. You can go to the UPS site and use their guestimator for cost. If the box is 6.05 inches they will call it 7 or 8.
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UPS has resorted to screwing the little guy to make up for the enormous discounts they need to provide to Amazon. It's really bad for the small biz guy today that needs to ship a ton of goods. It's incredibly expensive when compared to as little as 5 - 7 or so years ago. And prior to that, UPS was a bargain for small business. No longer. And for an individual just sending one package now and then....forget it!


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Damn straight, bring back the Pony Express.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:45 PM
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I recommend FedEx ground. I've had a few things damaged by the boys in brown. Also, I've found FedEx is usually cheaper.
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I try to use USPS as much as possible. I've gotten things from the east coast in two days, just using the normal Priority rate-- basically the equivalent of UPS Ground.
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Google , UPS Discounts for Retail, and you'll see why what you pay makes up for what they don't pay.
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I used to work for a sign store and we shipped out tons of stuff, from little one-ounce wall decals to full-sized, 40lb. 4x6' wood-panel custom jobs.

We alternated between UPS, Fed-Ex, and the USPS. We found that under different circumstances, each one had an advantage. For much of the smaller packages, USPS was the way to go; for oversized signs, UPS was almost always the best deal. And destination played a big part in the eventual cost as well.

The point being, shop around for each piece you ship. It sounds surprising, but while one entity may have the best price for a certain size, they may not be the best option for other sizes (and destinations). Don't assume any across-the-board pricing.
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I try to use USPS as much as possible. I've gotten things from the east coast in two days, just using the normal Priority rate-- basically the equivalent of UPS Ground.
USPS was $52 bucks.
We're talking a 3lb package here.
Must be an MBA thing.
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If you ship to CA from the US (which I assume is where Sabian factory is), you're going to get hit with surcharges that wouldn't apply otherwise.

The GC shipped the box domestically, so it's going to be around 1/3 the cost. UPS international standard (ground to CA) shipping rates tend to be around 2.5x-3x.

I was a FT international auditor for a while, so your shipments could clear customs.
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Google , UPS Discounts for Retail, and you'll see why what you pay makes up for what they don't pay.
I think that's a big part of it. The individual shipper is subsidizing the bulk shippers.
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It's the same for junk mail USPS. 17 cents or 27 cents , whatever for all of the crazy stuff you get in your mail box. My experience is that you sort and bundle by zip code, and then the local post office will sort by address. From previous discussions on here the USPS would fold without the junk. So they pay half of what we pay. Consider what Amazon, and others ship, they gladly give them a discount.
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Part of the issue is a thing called dimensional weight that FedEx and UPS started using for ALL shipments and that USPS used for anything larger than a cubic foot.
Say you're shipping a feather and the only box you have is 24" x 24" x 24" back a few years ago you'd be charged for 1 pound and you could have shipped that feather for under $10, now you'd be charged a weight based on the size of the box, it's length x width x height divided by 160 so you'd be charged for a 100 pound box even though it's just a damn feather!

Here's a link to a FedEx dimensional weight calculator:
https://pages.message.fedex.com/weight_calculator/

Guitar Center employees either don't care or know about dimensional weight and I know that because I work there! I'm a Logistics Manager for an electronics company Mon-Friday and teach drum lessons on Saturdays at Guitar Center and when I tried to tell them about dimensional weight they didn't seem to care!

The reason for dimensional weight being implemented is because of Amazon and other big companies shipping so much product and taking up so much space in FedEx/UPS trucks.
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If you ship to CA from the US (which I assume is where Sabian factory is), you're going to get hit with surcharges that wouldn't apply otherwise.

The GC shipped the box domestically, so it's going to be around 1/3 the cost. UPS international standard (ground to CA) shipping rates tend to be around 2.5x-3x.

I was a FT international auditor for a while, so your shipments could clear customs.
Sabian's shipping address is in Houlton,Maine.
I guess from there they just take up the road to CA.
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I repackaged the cymbal to use a more compact method of shipping.

Took two card board squares of 24x24,bubble wrapped the cymbal and sandwiched it between the card board layers with tape.

Fedex was $29 bucks.

Better ,but still...
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I'm fully expecting before and after pictures of that cymbal!
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I'm fully expecting before and after pictures of that cymbal!
There will be a before and after of the refresh.
So keep tuned folks.
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