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Old 03-13-2017, 06:37 PM
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I think we need to march on DW HQ with pitchforks and torches.
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I have to agree with SunDog. If you don't like something move on. Why waste time looking for the negative. The "I don't like DW" threads are getting old. Posting about the price of an expensive set is not a problem per se, but why not put it in the Drum section with a photo. Commenting on the price does not have to be negative, but we all know thats where it's going to end up.

Here is a part of the forum rules, which I know you get tired of seeing, but it only makes sense. I guess why find something bad when there is so much good out there.


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I realize this thread was not started to complain about DW drums per se, but again that's where it ends up going.
I agreed with Sundog, right up until he said " They make the highest quality, best sounding ply shells. "

which shows to me that he is the one who has an issue as no-one said that DW were bad. Sundog was that one who took it personally and went on a rant, the OP created a thread about seeing 10k for a ply drum kit.

Understandable, but the OP wasn't the one looking for an argument (at least that's what it looked like to me)
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I agreed with Sundog, right up until he said " They make the highest quality, best sounding ply shells. "

which shows to me that he is the one who has an issue as no-one said that DW were bad. Sundog was that one who took it personally and went on a rant, the OP created a thread about seeing 10k for a ply drum kit.

Understandable, but the OP wasn't the one looking for an argument (at least that's what it looked like to me)
Agreed, which is why I wrote this:

I realize this thread was not started to complain about DW drums per se, but again that's where it ends up going.
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I realize this thread was not started to complain about DW drums per se, but again that's where it ends up going.
Which is what sucks about threads like this.
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What if instead of complaining about DW drums I complained about DW hardware?
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:55 PM
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I agreed with Sundog, right up until he said " They make the highest quality, best sounding ply shells. "

which shows to me that he is the one who has an issue as no-one said that DW were bad. Sundog was that one who took it personally and went on a rant, the OP created a thread about seeing 10k for a ply drum kit.

Understandable, but the OP wasn't the one looking for an argument (at least that's what it looked like to me)
But they do. Who makes a higher quality ply shell? Who cuts better edges? I said there are several ply shell companies that make superior shells and kits. I didn't say that DW was better. I said that they are as good as anything from any of the other great ply drum makers. That's the best. And they are excellent. Every attention to detail is paid. The VP of the company hand selects each shell for your order. Still to this day he does this. It's an unparalleled level of hands on attention from a major manufacturer. Sonor are great drums. Yamaha are great drums. The best of the best in ply drums and yes, DW are as well. That was really my only point. All of these companies carry similar prices. They all make great drums, but DW for some reason gets heaps of criticism for it
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:05 PM
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I could be wrong, but I think a lot of music stores will get 1-2 high-end items in the store just to get the foot traffic so people will come in and look at it.

A friend of mine used to work in a local pawn shop/music store, and he said everyone wants to come in and play on the expensive equipment, but they end up buying what ever is cheapest.
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IMO.....DW makes some very nice sounding and well built drums. So does Yamaha, Tama, Pearl and a few others. My nephew has a set of $$$ DW Collectors and they look and sound great. Are the shells worth $6,500? They are to him. When you start looking at $10K+ however for shells, well, it starts bordering on irrational, illogical or "lets see if the rich guys will buy it".

When searching for my next kit and deciding upon it, after looking at many, including DW's, I believe there's a point of diminishing returns on quality and sound when a certain price point is reached. For me, it was originally ridiculous to consider Tama Star Bubinga's as opposed to Starclassic Bubinga's that I wound up choosing. The excessive added cost simply isn't justified.

Although I can add this much on DW.....they have the largest selection of expensive kits (BY FAR - NO CONTEST) to choose from. The list is almost endless.
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The great thing about drumming is, the more you spend on equipment, the better you will play and sound.
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The great thing about drumming is, the more you spend on equipment, the better you will play and sound.
Got that right. It's like one day you're using a $25 dissection kit cutting up frogs then deciding to buy professional surgical-grade instruments and like magic, brain surgery is no problem.
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Got that right. It's like one day you're using a $25 dissection kit cutting up frogs then deciding to buy professional surgical-grade instruments and like magic, brain surgery is no problem.
I like your thinking. Exactly the same supposition I would come to myself.
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:22 AM
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To me, it is like high end cars......sure a Corvette may have similar performance to a Ferrari or Porsche and cost much less......to many people the Vette is the value play and that is cool for them.....to others, the Ferrari and extra mystique of that nameplate justifies the added expense that performance alone cannot. to the Ferrari and Porsche guys a Vette is just a Chevy with a fiberglass body......

If someone wants to drop coin on a DW.......more power to them, if it blows their hair back I am happy for them......play what you want and can afford...
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Here you go folks............................................. ...................
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Here you go folks............................................. ...................
Are the matching octobans an option? LMAO!
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Many thanks, 554! Do you happen to know what all is included in the way of drums/hardware, etc?
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Many thanks, 554! Do you happen to know what all is included in the way of drums/hardware, etc?
As far as I know ,shell pack and tom mounts.
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Here you go folks............................................. ...................
Now I see why it's so expensive. The bass drums are $1400 apiece. When you add an exotic lacquer finish to a DW kit it adds at least another $1000-$1500 to the total cost. Nickel hardware too. Not to justify it to anyone, but yeah, that's about the price I would expect to see on that kit. You have to understand that DW makes custom drums.They do not make drums to stock shelves. Every Collectors kit is made to order. The only Collectors drums that are not made to order are NAMM demo kits and limited editions like anniversary kits, and timeless timber kits, you know the ones made out of 1000 year old logs. If you think that kit is expensive you should look up the DW/Sabian vault edge timeless timber snare. It's a mere $2500.

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In 1986 I bought an expensive set of Sonors. I used all my money that I saved for years. Every bit of money I had. I blew it all on a set of drums. I still play them.
$2300 for seven drums, and all the heavy duty hardware was included.
The list price was over $8000.
The value of $2300 from then to today, adjusting only for inflation is $6400.
That's a 10,12,13,14,16,22, snare and three cymbal stands, hihat stand and bass drum pedal with two tom stands.

$8000 in 1986 is worth $17,725.47.
Perfectly in line with the outrageous DW list price.

List price means absolutely nothing.
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Single or double floor toms?
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double floor toms.............................................. ..
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Who makes a higher quality ply shell? Who cuts better edges?
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They do produce some amazing stuff though.
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They do produce some amazing stuff though.
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Man, the leather hoops on the quilted maple is georgeous!
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I would like it better without the burst and a more brown than black leather.
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I would like it better without the burst and a more brown than black leather.
likewise. Finishes are all personal, but I just like a piece of finish-ply without graphics or fades or glitters etc.

I used to have a DW collectors Black on wax black right back when they had just started making their own shells. DW really know how to make great finishes on their drums. Back then, there were actually quite a few defects in the shell and the hardware was quite flimsy so I went through 3 sets. That has all now been sorted and there is no difference is the quality of drums shells. You make the coice based on the type of sound you want.

The real price comes from finishes, just think you can cover it in gold and then the price would be even more expensive.

I think most drummers are less "bling" than that though
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From what I can make out from the sizes listed on the sales ticket, that's ten drums (including the three Rata Toms). That helps to put some perspective on the cost.
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Seems like a niche kinda setup. I wonder if it was a customer order that someone bailed on. I couldn't see a shop asking for a 10pc double bass setup. That's a lot of sales floor real estate.
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Man, the leather hoops on the quilted maple is georgeous!
Yeah, it's interesting to hear some of the stories John Good tells about sourcing some of the wood he gets to make DW drums.
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All I can say is that if you think high end drums are (bad, ridiculous, worth every penny, pipe dream...pick one); they ain't nothing compared to acoustic guitars!

Compared to some Martin, Goodall, Bourgois, Collings, santa Cruz, and custom built guitars, those DWs are a bargain!
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Have you priced a bassoon lately?

http://www.wwbw.com/Bassoons.wwbw
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Now I see why it's so expensive. The bass drums are $1400 apiece. When you add an exotic lacquer finish to a DW kit it adds at least another $1000-$1500 to the total cost. Nickel hardware too. Not to justify it to anyone, but yeah, that's about the price I would expect to see on that kit. You have to understand that DW makes custom drums.They do not make drums to stock shelves. Every Collectors kit is made to order. The only Collectors drums that are not made to order are NAMM demo kits and limited editions like anniversary kits, and timeless timber kits, you know the ones made out of 1000 year old logs. If you think that kit is expensive you should look up the DW/Sabian vault edge timeless timber snare. It's a mere $2500.
Yeah, so about that Vault Edge snare. While I stand by my precious posts that essentially state my belief that DW drums are very good drums but not worthy of the price tag, my Vault Edge snare is an exception to me, worth every penny of the $2,200 or so I shelled out for it. Just an extraordinary instrument that somehow lives up to the marketing hype. In fact, the drum sounds far better than it sounded when Bozzio was playing the drum for the video--not a knock on his playing at all, just that the recording or tuning didn't give the drum its just due. So yeah, a drum's worth/value is really up to the individual player.
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But then again they start at 2300.00. So the range is there.
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Yeah, it's interesting to hear some of the stories John Good tells about sourcing some of the wood he gets to make DW drums.
Sounds like a J. Peterman Catalog stories from Seinfeld'.
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http://www.wwbw.com/Bassoons.wwbw
Thought you were kidding... the Fox Model 680 has blown my mind. Assumed that you'd be getting a vintage collector's item for 26,221.56. Turns out you get a brand new "fairly priced professional instrument."

"Hey ladies, I'm a professional bassoonist. Let me buy you a bottle of Dom Perignon and show you my Fox Model 680."
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Thought you were kidding... the Fox Model 680 has blown my mind. Assumed that you'd be getting a vintage collector's item for 26,221.56. Turns out you get a brand new "fairly priced professional instrument."

"Hey ladies, I'm a professional bassoonist. Let me buy you a bottle of Dom Perignon and show you my Fox Model 680."
Just wait until you get into repair costs for that sort of thing.

I work with a lot of different instruments. A basic bassoon (a basic one) will set you back at least 2,000. A decent student oboe about 1,000 (if it's priced low). Clarinets and saxophones are generally a lot cheaper for decent student instruments, as are violins (under 500).

What it demonstrates to me is the cost reduction that we get as consumers from mass production. If an instrument has the demand for mass production, the price saving is enormous. Think of how many drummers you know (ten, fifteen in my case outside of here) and think of how many oboists you know (two - and I'm 'in those circles') and it really demonstrates directly how the popularity of an instrument dictates the price.

You can buy inexpensive plastic clarinets and you can buy inexpensive, Chinese-made saxophones that are mass-produced and will function well enough. The difference is that in non-'Rock' circles of music, you will generally only ever buy two instruments. The one you start on and one in five-ten years when you get a lot better, that will be your instrument 'for life'. That second instrument is an investment.

Getting into repair, for a basic clarinet service and repair (check the joints, re-pad, etc.) you're talking around 100-250 and the clarinet is one of the easier instruments to fix. Oboe? The sky is the limit - and they're fragile. Oboe reeds start at about 12 a go and go up to about 50 or 112 for synthetic.

So when you actually sit back and think about it, 10K for a kit is a lot of money but it's nothing compared to what you'd pay for a professional bassoon or double bass. Want a Selmer Mk. VI Tenor Saxophone? 5,000 for one that needs work.

For a professional-quality full set of drums, including cymbals and hardware, the cost is unbelievably inexpensive compared to some other instruments and we have mass manufacturing to thank for that.
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