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Old 02-19-2017, 04:56 AM
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Default Re: Ever get disappointed in a drummer's music?

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If you are disappointed, listen e.g. to these two songs. Some drummers are great composers. But drummers, that are also good composers, are a rare breed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53U7QMkbgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyvQDOtfeJI
Would you ever consider this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhdtgvU1BM
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And of course Brian Blade's Stoner Hill is complete beauty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBCJNM-5UuA
Stoner Hill is one of my favourite songs!
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Old 02-19-2017, 11:53 AM
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Being an instrumental fan I've bought a few drummer albums over the years. Not all worked out :)

I'm an old Henry Cow fan but I found Chris Cutler's solo album to be unlistenable.

Cozy Powell was great but his solo album was really, really naff.

Ginger Baker's Air Force was interesting at times but repetitive.

I've had more luck with the fusion players ...

Bill Bruford's music is classy, especially One of a Kind and A Part and Yet Apart.

Billy Cobham's Spectrum has some amazing performances (aside from the drum soooooooolooooos). Some good tunes on his Life & Times album too.

Lenny White's Venusian Summer and the Astral Pirates albums are good listening and not overly drum-indulgent.

Pierre Moerlen's Gong - like Lenny White's solo albums, good listening and imaginative.

Tony Williams was arguably the greatest drummer to pick up a pair of sticks but I only liked a few tracks of his Lifetime groups.
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One of my favorite compositions by Tony Williams, Citadel, composed during his second era of Blue Note recordings, covered here by other bandleaders. The first clip is Branford Marsalis (with Tony on drums), the second is the Eric Reed Trio.

If you dig jazz, you'll appreciate why it's a beautiful piece. If not, you may not dig these clips.

https://youtu.be/885VMQ5jG1I

https://youtu.be/VA56-UXrlgs
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I think you expand this beyond drummers to just about anyone who had made their career as a sideman or part of a well known band (but not a primary songwriter) who put out a solo album.

I love Rush, but Geddy and Alex's solo albums were meh at best.

I love The Who, but Rodger Dalty's solo albums were mostly forgettable, save a few songs here and there (one of the good ones was written by Pete Townshed, so it could have been a Who song).

It seems once you have someone who's not known for song writing, or not known for song writing alone, going at it alone, well, we realize why they weren't eh primary/solo song writer in their band.

The other issue with "solo" albums is they tend to have a ton of special guests, so there really isn't any band "feel". The individual parts may be good, maybe even the ideas are good, but together, it just doesn't gel musically.
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I think you expand this beyond drummers to just about anyone who had made their career as a sideman or part of a well known band (but not a primary songwriter) who put out a solo album.

I love Rush, but Geddy and Alex's solo albums were meh at best.

I love The Who, but Rodger Dalty's solo albums were mostly forgettable, save a few songs here and there (one of the good ones was written by Pete Townshed, so it could have been a Who song).

It seems once you have someone who's not known for song writing, or not known for song writing alone, going at it alone, well, we realize why they weren't eh primary/solo song writer in their band.

The other issue with "solo" albums is they tend to have a ton of special guests, so there really isn't any band "feel". The individual parts may be good, maybe even the ideas are good, but together, it just doesn't gel musically.
I like Roger's version better than Murray Head's original here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87gdBoiu2Zw
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Some musicians write the drums first as they feel that is the hook of the song, what gets people moving if you will. Listen to a band like Reuben (Jamie Lenman) or Tesseract. Both have guitarists who are very competent drummers and use the drums to create the framework within which the song can breathe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSLEh2LqwrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkl7CiCghVI

Haha, I am Jamie Lenman's drummer and I love the way he plays. Less the way he gets me to play, but hey ho!

On the grander thread, being a good musician doesn't make you a good songwriter - that's it's own art. I personally can't bear those drummer "songs" in funny time just to show off some chops, like a drum version of Steve Vai, it belongs in an elevator as far as songwriting goes.
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Phil Collins!

This is great pop, with lots of camera time on the amazing Chester Thompson. And check out Leland Sklar. Phil, great drummer who wrote some great songs.

https://youtu.be/K4NNxekrZ0s
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No, not really. I've been amazed how drummers keeps the beat and plays for the song while enjoying it.
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