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Old 02-11-2017, 08:41 PM
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Hey everyone !

So I just came across this video of Buddy Rich where he is being interviewed.
Towards the mid section of the segment, he just insults country music. I don't exactly agree with what he said but he has a few points here and there.

Well, if he was alive in today's modern world,do you think he would have appreciated the pop and DJ culture or slammed just like he slammed country music? And do you guys agree or disagree with his views?

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Old 02-11-2017, 09:14 PM
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1. Which video are we talking about?
2. Buddy Rich did not really appreciate anything except his bigband stuff (He had a HUGE ego). Okay, he admitted that Ringo was some kind of good drummer (maybe because Ringo earned more money than him while doing less on drums). But that's about it.
3. Buddy Rich is dead. Why do you pull him out of a grave?
4. Buddy Richs opinion on anything is not really relevant. Not more relevant than the opinion of anybody else on this planet. ;)

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There's a video clip of BR on a tirade, berating his band like a Lil' boy who didn't get his Lil' way while playing in the neighbours sandbox. I've met 8 year olds who possessed more maturity and self-control than he did. He was a mouth-piece.

Anyone who lacks the maturity to the point he displayed in that video, using expletives so freely because he wasn't articulate enough to express himself like a real man, tells me he didn't have much between his ears, but even more importantly, it's a shame someone didn't stand up and shut his big mouth for him.

So if he were alive today I'd cherish for someone to shut him up.
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I saw that video a while back. I think it was from an old Mike Douglas show. Man...that was a long time ago. Buddy was certainly an opinionated, egotistical and impetuous guy. Great drummer though. Best ever? That's been debated forever. Possibly the best ever on a snare drum however.
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:35 PM
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Possibly the best ever on a snare drum however.
There's plenty of drum corps guys who have more chops, but Buddy had more touch and musicality than any of them. He said Billy Gladstone had a better buzz roll than he did, but nobody else came close on the roll. So I don't know. Maybe best snare drumming overall.
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:37 PM
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...he'd be 100 years old.
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:50 PM
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Oh I'm sorry for not adding the link.
Added it.
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I just had this thought in my head after watching the video ,so I decided to share it and get your views on this topic just for fun :) .
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Old 02-11-2017, 10:24 PM
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....he'd be chiming in on every traditional vs matched thread that came down the pike.
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He'd be too busy kicking Greg Potter's ass!
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He would probably hate everything. He would also call us all hacks for belonging to a drum forum and wasting time instead of practicing.
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If it's the one I'm thinking of, where he also called Chet Atkins a talentless hack, I'd say not only is he wrong but he embarrassed himself on national TV.
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Too bad he's not around to post on this forum.
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:44 AM
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I would never complain about Buddy Rich or his attitude.
I like his attitude.
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He died?

Man, I'm bummed!
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Buddy was IMO a very tunnel visioned guy. His opinion of Country Music is sad. He is tunnel visioning on the music only. He is missing the major attraction of Country Music, the stories. But he can't see past the drum part when it comes to other types of music. Not a very healthy attitude, but I give any great musician a lot of leeway.

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who gets that great at an instrument...is lacking in other areas, a lot of times social. It's just the way it seems to work.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:52 PM
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I give Buddy somewhat of a pass on some of the stories I've read. He was child star at an extremely young age (4 years old I think?). Basically exploited by show business when he should have been home playing with his toys like a normal kid. How many child actors have we seen who's lives have been damaged by the pressure and atmosphere of show business at an early age? Walk a mile in Buddy's baby shoes and see how you would have handled it. impetuous, temperamental, selfish... absolutely. My gut tells me he was damaged at a young age. Not an excuse for his lack of maturity, but perhaps an explanation. A complicated man, for sure.
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...he'd be 100 years old.
And he would buy a Commemorative 100th birthday drumhead even if it was made by Aquarian.
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I think he's had the best technique of anybody, ever. He really is something to watch on drums. But being great at anything is never a pass to be an a$$.
I can admire his drumming and ignore when he speaks. ...especially on the Mike Douglas show....yaaaawn.
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Man, I'm bummed!

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He was an ass at times and very outspoken but friends and former bandmates also speak of a warm, kind nature to him also.

Mel Torme's biography about Buddy/their friendship paints a good picture about him as a person. I'd recommended it for anyone that hasn't read it.

If he was around today I think he'd be just as outspoken.
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I think he's had the best technique of anybody, ever. He really is something to watch on drums. But being great at anything is never a pass to be an a$$.
I can admire his drumming and ignore when he speaks. ...especially on the Mike Douglas show....yaaaawn.
He played really, really clean. Jim Chapin was faster, but he played Moeller-style (old school Army band rudimental, from the days of rope drums), which allows greater speed and power, at the cost of some precision.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:41 PM
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While he hated country, he was obviously a Western fan.
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Drumming aside...anyone wearing that creature on their head and that sweater together in public had no business criticizing folks who play country music...

At least a good bit of country music is written and played from the heart unlike most overly-technical chop infested music I've heard...oops...went off the rails a little bit there, sorry. Guess I am just as opinionated...

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Old 02-13-2017, 03:34 AM
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Okay, he admitted that Ringo was some kind of good drummer (maybe because Ringo earned more money than him while doing less on drums). But that's about it.
I think he said Ringo was "adequate".

Ringo said of him that his drumming sounded like a bunch of mice running all over the kit!

Check out this video of Buddy Rich, a person in the comments noticed that at one point after going mad on the hihat with his foot, it starts to slide away and he pulls it back twice with his foot all the while going mad on the rest of the kit!

7:13 and 7:19 in Not So Quiet Please.

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Buddy was an entertainer and a musician but he was a drummer first. So he measured everything from that perspective. And during his time country music drumming was uninspired at best, or at least the vast majority of it.
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If Buddy was alive today, the bus tapes would be much better quality recordings.
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If he was alive today, he'd be disgusted as to how easily everyone gets his/her feelings hurt. He'd be socially crucified. His talent would be overshadowed by his "hate speech" and his lack of providing a "safe space."
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If he was alive today, he'd be disgusted as to how easily everyone gets his/her feelings hurt. He'd be socially crucified. His talent would be overshadowed by his "hate speech" and his lack of providing a "safe space."
No, he'd just be considered an arsehole by a large sway of people. As he was then, too...

People always say that they have the right to free speech. Fair enough. What they seem to forget is that they also have to accept the consequences of said speech...
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There's plenty of drum corps guys who have more chops, but Buddy had more touch and musicality than any of them. He said Billy Gladstone had a better buzz roll than he did, but nobody else came close on the roll. So I don't know. Maybe best snare drumming overall.
Anyone have a link to the video of him (doing a drum solo in a suit) where he plays a buzz roll that is just unbelievable. He sort of leans into it.

Broad question I know because he was always in a suit but anyone who has seen this will remember the roll its demonic. Sorry to derail been looking for this forever.
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No, he'd just be considered an arsehole by a large sway of people. As he was then, too...

People always say that they have the right to free speech. Fair enough. What they seem to forget is that they also have to accept the consequences of said speech...
Well said man, plus he would end up being insignificant quickly: chops-fest people aren't revered as they once were, there's too many "look at me" people out there and attention spans are shorter now.

The Bass player in my band said one of the wisest things ever concerning chopsy types: "Can you remember one bass line that Billy Sheenan ever played? Anything stick out?"

Brilliant...
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[...]he would end up being insignificant quickly: chops-fest people aren't revered as they once were, there's too many "look at me" people out there and attention spans are shorter now.

The Bass player in my band said one of the wisest things ever concerning chopsy types: "Can you remember one bass line that Billy Sheenan ever played? Anything stick out?"

Brilliant...

This is really good.

(P.S. A friend of mine plays with Billy Sheehan on a regular basis:) )
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If Buddy Rich was alive today...maybe there would have been UFO disclosure by now! From UFODIGEST.COM.....

DRUMMER BUDDY RICH: UFO “SUPER BUFF”

Jazz drummer Buddy Rich was what Beckley calls a true “UFO enthusiast,” similar to comedian Jackie Gleason in his fanatical devotion to the subject. Buddy had several sightings and was even a member of the Center for UFO Studies as well as being a friend of Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the group’s director.
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Well said man, plus he would end up being insignificant quickly: chops-fest people aren't revered as they once were, there's too many "look at me" people out there and attention spans are shorter now.

The Bass player in my band said one of the wisest things ever concerning chopsy types: "Can you remember one bass line that Billy Sheenan ever played? Anything stick out?"

Brilliant...
People focus on his drum solos on YouTube today, but Buddy swung a monster big band for decades and his legacy is about a lot more than fast hands.

He definitely came across as a condescending jackass at times, but plenty of people testify that there was another side to him and that he showed a heart of gold at times. It's a spectrum, not binary.

As for this interview? Yeah, not a good look.
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"Well said man, plus he would end up being insignificant quickly:"

Can't say I agree with this in any way.
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If Buddy Rich was alive today...maybe there would have been UFO disclosure by now! From UFODIGEST.COM.....

DRUMMER BUDDY RICH: UFO “SUPER BUFF”

Jazz drummer Buddy Rich was what Beckley calls a true “UFO enthusiast,” similar to comedian Jackie Gleason in his fanatical devotion to the subject. Buddy had several sightings and was even a member of the Center for UFO Studies as well as being a friend of Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the group’s director.
Maybe Tom DeLonge would have replaced Travis Barker with Buddy Rich when he became UFO-obsessed, and he would have stayed in blink-182. Incidentally, one could make the argument that Travis Barker was/is that generation's Buddy Rich-esque celebrity drummer.
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It's fascinating that Buddy has been dead for close to thirty years and people still get a rise out of comments he made ten years earlier. Whether it's slamming Country music or that practice will give you sore wrists, it really doesn't matter; people are trying to unveil his essence. One moment he plants a time bomb, another moment, he tells the truth straight up. Another, some complete BS. The only constant seems to be that it's unfiltered, so how do you reconcile someone who can take charge on 'Channel One Suite' and just as easily bow down on this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhaCNIpAnPs

He's more interesting to absorb and experience than analyze. Interviews, transcriptions or second hand stories won't get you closer. If you've been privileged to see him up close and feel his explosive and crystalline touch, no explanation is necessary. So raise a pint to this curmudgeonly brilliant centenarian and know that we're expected to raise our own playing a notch.
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People focus on his drum solos on YouTube today, but Buddy swung a monster big band for decades and his legacy is about a lot more than fast hands. .
This is the point I was going to make. His solos don't wow me, but then drum solos rarely wow me. Not my thing, unless your drum solo has an infectious and irresistible beat a la Gene Krupa!

BUT

Listen to him swing a band! Whoever did his arrangements was a genius and I could listen to stuff like "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" all day.

Like all great drummers, he's at his best when he's part of a great team.
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People focus on his drum solos on YouTube today, but Buddy swung a monster big band for decades and his legacy is about a lot more than fast hands.

He definitely came across as a condescending jackass at times, but plenty of people testify that there was another side to him and that he showed a heart of gold at times. It's a spectrum, not binary.

As for this interview? Yeah, not a good look.
It is a spectrum - this idea of diametric opinions of anything mainly applies to simpletons. I entirely agree.

i) Buddy Rich was an extraordinary drummer with an incredible sense of swing.
ii) His chops were outstanding.
iii) He could swing. Really swing.
iv) He knew what he was doing.

v) He could be a complete arse.
vi) He rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way.
vii) There is evidence of him being a complete jerk.
viii) He insulted country music in this interview.

ix) He had high professional standards for himself and his band.
x) There are plenty of people that say he could be very warmhearted and generous.

xi) His playing is as relevant or as irrelevant today to any individual as they want it to be.

All of these things are true at the same time.
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You mean the world can't be accurately reduced to media inspired sound bites?

WAHH!?!?!

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