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Old 08-13-2016, 07:33 AM
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this is overplaying ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqWrkVEQvI

but i'm sorry .. I am a sick and twisted f*** and I love it. btw can anyone count the time signature changes from :07 - 0:30?
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Old 08-14-2016, 07:26 AM
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For a band that's basically jazz/fusion metal? Not overplaying for that situation. I love that album and drummer by the way. Death, Cynic, and Athiest really pushed metal forward in the 90's.
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Old 08-14-2016, 05:53 PM
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I think we can all agree that John Bonham was the worst over-player of all time followed by Travis Barker.
I totally disagree on the John Bonham over-player of all time statement. He was arguably the best musician in the band and his contribution to the Led Zep sound cannot be overstated. He was basically irreplaceable, hence the break up of the band.

IMHO, Travis Barker is a flat out butcher.
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Old 08-14-2016, 07:18 PM
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For a band that's basically jazz/fusion metal? Not overplaying for that situation. I love that album and drummer by the way. Death, Cynic, and Athiest really pushed metal forward in the 90's.
true... but like.. I want to make a drum cover of that song. I even asked on their official fbook page what the time sig is. kelly (amazingly) responded. and said it's a feel thing and it is different every time they play it. most I can gather it is in a very sloppy 5
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Old 08-14-2016, 10:00 PM
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true... but like.. I want to make a drum cover of that song. I even asked on their official fbook page what the time sig is. kelly (amazingly) responded. and said it's a feel thing and it is different every time they play it. most I can gather it is in a very sloppy 5
I like him more already, no playing by numbers.
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Old 08-16-2016, 05:49 AM
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For a band that's basically jazz/fusion metal? Not overplaying for that situation. I love that album and drummer by the way. Death, Cynic, and Athiest really pushed metal forward in the 90's.
thumbs up. Nice to find a few more people here who are into this stuff.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:54 PM
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I can really only think of one piece of recorded music ( though it was a live track ) where I thought the drummer over played and "got in the way" of the song's feel.

And it's one of my favorite players. Neil Peart. The drums on the live version of "Working Man" from All The World's A Stage are just too much for my ears, and I'm big fan of his playing. But IMO, that's one song where he should have stripped things down a bit.
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More people should over play and make errors in their playing-it adds a white noise dimension to the song while you strain to hear the refrain over the over zealous drummer and then too mistakes let you know it's a real drummer and not an engineered drum sound=damn drum machines. Next will be the 'Ex Machina" Ava drummer model 2000-the metronomic perfect drummer that never tires or makes a mistake. I hate perfection-besides what is it?? I reckon we need to pull a diode or two to kill the dang thing. Hey it will be like the Chess masters playing the computer back in the day-this time a real drummer vs Ava the perfect drummer. OMG Creep me out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVtCUZl0bY A future coming your way some day.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:43 PM
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I can really only think of one piece of recorded music ( though it was a live track ) where I thought the drummer over played and "got in the way" of the song's feel.

And it's one of my favorite players. Neil Peart. The drums on the live version of "Working Man" from All The World's A Stage are just too much for my ears, and I'm big fan of his playing. But IMO, that's one song where he should have stripped things down a bit.
So my guess is you liked the original version? I can't stand listening to the original version. There is so much dead space in it. I think it is a flawed song by Rush standards. My opinion is probably because the first time I heard the song was live with NP playing it like the live album.

Have you heard the reggae version from recent tours?
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:33 PM
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Yes, I've heard the more recent reggae version, and while I still like the original best, I do like that reggae version better than the one on All The World's A Stage.
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Very true, and this is why everyone is going to have a differing opinion on the matter.

Now that DT has Mike Mangini on the skins, I look back at Portnoy as someone who helped ground the band and keep the music more on the heavy rock side of Prog Rock. I feel DT has gone off the rails since Portnoy's departure and they have moved in to some strange sci-fi fantacy style of Prog Rock that has lost most of its musicality. Mangini is a beast of a drummer, but he is doing nothing to help ground that band and bring rhythm and groove to the music. Its to the point now that I can barely listen to their music because it doesnt resonate with me. Its so far in to the realm of musical wankery that it has lost its soul. Which is unfortunate because I am/was a big dream theater fan.

Would I say Mangini overplays the music? No, but at the same time I feel like he is not doing a good job of being a drummer in a band. He is not grounding the music and giving it a pulse for people to follow. This is certainly by design and likely by the direction of John Petrucci. I cant blame Mangini for this as he seems like someone who is taking his musical direction from others and is creating parts that fit within that musical vision. I just wish someone else was at the helm of the ship to steer it back on course and get it out of the direction it is currently in.
Totally on par with this. Love or hate Portnoy, I think he contributed a lot to their overall sound and I know he has a diverse palette. He has a very unique style and some of those rhythmic complications some would call overplaying into something that enhances the music. I couldn't imagine any other drummer playing Scenes From a Memory, his parts all just fit the music so well to me. The albums with Mangini are just boring now.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:27 AM
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I disagree that Bonham was an overplayer. He stood out because he contributed to the melody of everything they played. Because his fills and solos were dynamic and precisely executed he never played in the background, instead he played as 25% of one of the best bands at the time.
I do agree with the comment on Barker.




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Old 09-03-2017, 01:05 AM
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Often when an old thread gets resurrected, I read the title and think about how I should respond.

Then, when I then see the date on the OP, I look thu and see if I responded. It always turn out that I responded exactly the way I would today. I guess I don't change my mind very often.

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