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Old 08-01-2016, 09:18 AM
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Default Dropping sticks.

I played a show today, and although I played well, there was only one problem.

I dropped a stick about 5-6 times (not even kidding).

I've never even come close to dropping sticks that many times before. In fact, it's rare that I'll even drop a stick once in rehearsal. And I play lots of shows and probably only ever dropped a stick 1 or 2 times during a gig. I have no idea what happened today, it just felt like a freak fest. At the end of our set there was tons of sticks just laying all over the stage and my stick bag was empty.

It could have had to do with the fact that I've never been as sweaty as I was today while playing because it was so hot where I was playing. I was literally so sweaty that you could wring my shirt out after the set. My sticks became dark they got so wet with my sweat. But I tend to drop sticks not because of a loose grip but because while I'm moving around on the kit I'll accidentally hit it against something and it will fall out.

Man, I'm just so annoyed about this. Maybe I wouldn't be if I wasn't so bad at pulling out a new one during a song. Anyone else have similar experiences?
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:36 AM
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I almost never drop my sticks when I play.

However! Last week I was playing on a backline setup, (not my drum set). I was in a hurry and I did not adjust anything before playing.
The cymbals and toms were not positioned where I like them. My right stick hit the cymbal wrong several times and several times the stick flew out of my hand,
but I caught it each time before it hit the ground. Very scary.

I never really thought about it too much. But I learned that the drums and cymbals need to be right where you expect them to be.
Otherwise you risk knocking a stick out of your hand. I plan on being more careful from now on.


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Old 08-01-2016, 09:40 AM
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It happens to me when I set up differently. I'll miss a cymbal and lose the stick because I was obviously expecting contact and there was only air. Or accidentally catch the edge of a cymbal on the upstroke. I've seen the pros do that one. But I can't make too many excuses because I have always had a problem letting sticks go. On a bad day it's actually a hazard to those around me.
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Old 08-01-2016, 10:23 AM
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My teacher always said dropping sticks isn't that much of a problem- it means you are probably being pretty loose with the sticks, which is good.

He used to say you want to be almost dropping them most of the time, any looser and they will fall out of your hand- just 1% tighter than that and you are golden.

What is a worse situation is gripping so tight that you aren't loose and relaxed.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: Dropping sticks.

great point by Gwetchdrummer and I studied with someone who gave similar advice. I generally practice with the mindset of being as loose as possible, just before the point of dropping them. Also, dropping sticks is going to happen, especially if you have these habits.

Having the finger control to not let them get away is the key, at least in my eyes. I'm still working on it...progress...I might get a miss-sticking or drop here and there, but the overall feel and tone is more important than being near 100% flawless yet too stiff/rigid.


Also, I tend to get drops occasionally when fatigued. That's my guess as to at least part of the OP's Tank's problems. You might want to up your potassium, sodium, electrolyte and perhaps stretch for a few minutes if you get a chance.
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Old 08-01-2016, 01:18 PM
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My instructor also told me dropping sticks is not necessarily a bad thing. He commented that I was "going for it" and "playing looser" on material that I was still learning.
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Old 08-01-2016, 01:38 PM
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Have to agree with most here.

There might be things to look at, but as we always try to stay loose and get used to a setup the margins get smaller.

I used to get my left stick caught under the hi-hat.

These days it's rare, but it's usually the right hand on some improvised fill around the kit.
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I totally agree that "playing loose" is a necessity. But that said, I also think that 5 or 6 stick drops per session is well and truly excessive too.

It goes way past "loose" and delves further into the territory of "lack of control". Just like being too rigid is not desirable. Limited control over your actions is not a good place to be either.

There's a happy medium somewhere in the middle that I reckon is in danger of being over looked here.

Hopefully your last gig was an anomaly. Just be conscious of the need to exercise control......as well as the need to avoid rigidity and stay loose.

Aim for that middle ground and you'll be golden.
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Old 08-01-2016, 02:20 PM
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I usually drop like 1 night when practicing.. last night i dropped 3.. 2 flew about 10 ft.. the third landed on a crash and just sat there... Mocking me..... I hold my sticks pretty loose, so if i catch the underside of a cymbal they are gone..
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Old 08-01-2016, 02:42 PM
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Hello everyone. New to the forums and loving all the fantastic drum discussions!

Curious to know what technique everyone's developed to recover from a dropped stick (and try to look nonchalant). In other words, how best to be prepared for a dropped stick?

I like to keep my spare sticks in a cup attached to the HiHat stand. If I drop my left stick, I simply take a new one with my left. But losing my right is a bit more problematic, since I would need to first shift my left stick to my right hand and then pick a new stick with my left.

Any thoughts on this?
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Old 08-01-2016, 03:15 PM
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Hello everyone. New to the forums and loving all the fantastic drum discussions!

Curious to know what technique everyone's developed to recover from a dropped stick (and try to look nonchalant). In other words, how best to be prepared for a dropped stick?

I like to keep my spare sticks in a cup attached to the HiHat stand. If I drop my left stick, I simply take a new one with my left. But losing my right is a bit more problematic, since I would need to first shift my left stick to my right hand and then pick a new stick with my left.

Any thoughts on this?
The main thing is to laugh it off. Don't worry about it. How you handle the drop trumps the drop. If you beat yourself up or you go all negative, you lose.

How do I best prepare? Just having a stick nearby. Stick drops are like snowflakes, no 2 are alike lol.

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Old 08-01-2016, 03:38 PM
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The main thing is to laugh it off. Don't worry about it. How you handle the drop trumps the drop. If you beat yourself up or you go all negative, you lose.
I think Jojo Mayer's recovery at the end of this solo (at 5:39) speaks to that. Really nice solo too.

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Old 08-01-2016, 03:49 PM
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I used to lose my sticks a lot when younger ;
I cured it with three/four solutions.
1 - lighter sticks (I'm now on basic 5A).
2 - less beer.
3 - better cymbal placement, I tend to have large moves, and now my cymbals are maybe a bit high - but I never get my sticks caught under.
4 - play and play and play.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:08 PM
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I use to never drop my sticks but now with arthritis in my hands I drop them quite often-I expect to put my eye out or perform a frontal lobotomy with a flyin' stick any day now.
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Old 08-01-2016, 05:25 PM
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I played a show today, and although I played well, there was only one problem.

I dropped a stick about 5-6 times (not even kidding).

...But I tend to drop sticks not because of a loose grip but because while I'm moving around on the kit I'll accidentally hit it against something and it will fall out.

Man, I'm just so annoyed about this. Maybe I wouldn't be if I wasn't so bad at pulling out a new one during a song. Anyone else have similar experiences?
Don't sweat it (see what I did there?). I did have a similar experience to yours recently. I'm not a stick-dropper, and I use stickwax to maintain a not-too-slick, not-too-sticky feel, but I had a gig a while back where I dropped 4-5 sticks, and it was always like you, running into something unintentionally as I moved around the kit. I was like, "whaaattt???"

Just chalk it up to a bad night for now (stick-dropping wise). Come to think about it, we played this weekend and I did not drop a single stick!
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Old 08-01-2016, 05:53 PM
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The key is a loose grip and paying attention. I rarely drop a stick, but when I do it's from an unfamiliar rebound. Meaning that I was going for the floor tom and hit the ride instead, or a cowbell got in the way, et cetera.

If you were tired and sweaty, then it may be that your aim was off and you were hitting the wrong spots on the drums. Since the rebound was different than you were expecting, that's when you dropped the sticks.

I think the key is to have a loose, relaxed grip, and to always stay calm and focused on your technique, stick height, aim, and the like.
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Old 08-01-2016, 08:32 PM
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I use to never drop my sticks but now with arthritis in my hands I drop them quite often-I expect to put my eye out or perform a frontal lobotomy with a flyin' stick any day now.
Yeah, I hear ya.
I'm 66 and I wonder how long I have before my playing starts to go down hill............


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Old 08-01-2016, 09:30 PM
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The first 2 replies on here kind of tell my story. It was mostly due to my cymbals being placed too close to me so on some upstrokes they'd get caught on it and fall out of my hand. Next time I gotta keep my cymbals further away. Again, I've never even come close to dropping this many sticks in any case. I've played lots of shows in my life and only dropped a stick during 2 of them, and during those times only once each show. This time it was 5 times. Really aggravating but I cant see this happening ever again.
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:58 PM
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...Really aggravating but I cant see this happening ever again.
Oh, you're such an optimist!

Like most drummers, I've been known to drop sticks here and there. I only keep a stick bag on my floor tom so if I drop my right stick, no problem. If I drop my left, then it gets my right stick while my right hand fishes out another. It's not a big deal to temporarily keep things going with one hand while reloading. It's just another calamity to power through, like missing a change, or fighting through a train wreck, or whatever. Recovery is an art in itself that can sometimes be even more entertaining and impressive than if no mistake was made. Seriously.

And like others here have said, it's usually a cymbal or tom in too close and/or up too high so I'll get snagged while on the upswing. If you're in a hurry to get set up on stage, perhaps with the added stage lighting glare, it's easy to miss something being out of place and you don't realize it until you've tossed out a couple sticks in random directions.

It's happened and if given enough opportunity, will likely happen again. A cool recovery is the key.
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Old 08-01-2016, 10:05 PM
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As long as you don't drop your beer, all is good.
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Old 08-01-2016, 10:32 PM
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For me it comes down to a mixture of time played over the years, and more importantly, sleep.

When I'm sleep-deprived, I have a lot harder time keeping the sticks in hand.
When I was first learning and working out a good loose grip, I dropped them way more than my music partners would have liked.

Now that I've been playing a long time, it's really only a problem when I'm really distracted or tired.

What I hate more, is I tend to put more energy into the shows, and though I don't always break sticks, when I do, it's at a gig. Usually it snaps and I don't realize I'm playing with half a stick until I go for the next note.
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Old 08-02-2016, 08:36 PM
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Like most things, practice.

Set a timer that randomly gives you a signal over the course of a song.

When you get the signal, stop using the L or R stick...(drop it)...then recover.

I usually try to make it through the point of getting another stick in my hands by continuing to play the significant voices with the other stick.
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:56 AM
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My teacher always said dropping sticks isn't that much of a problem- it means you are probably being pretty loose with the sticks, which is good.

He used to say you want to be almost dropping them most of the time, any looser and they will fall out of your hand- just 1% tighter than that and you are golden.

What is a worse situation is gripping so tight that you aren't loose and relaxed.
This, plus:

Don't over think this. Just put it out of mind. Stuff happens. Don't give it another brain cycle. Cuz if you do - it will happen more.

Shake it off.
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Dropping stick happens until one day you realize that you haven't dropped one since you can remember. Five mins later you drop one again.
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Dropping stick happens until one day you realize that you haven't dropped one since you can remember. Five mins later you drop one again.
You are correct...................

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You are correct...................

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That's it man, let the sticks fall where they may :)
Just remember to pick up another one quickly, stay in beat, and you are golden!
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I totally agree that "playing loose" is a necessity. But that said, I also think that 5 or 6 stick drops per session is well and truly excessive too.

It goes way past "loose" and delves further into the territory of "lack of control". Just like being too rigid is not desirable. Limited control over your actions is not a good place to be either.

There's a happy medium somewhere in the middle that I reckon is in danger of being over looked here.

Hopefully your last gig was an anomaly. Just be conscious of the need to exercise control......as well as the need to avoid rigidity and stay loose.

Aim for that middle ground and you'll be golden.
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I never had a problem with it until I started playing at church all of the time. My problem is due to the fact that my sticks at church NEVER break; therefore, the finish wears off of the butt-end of the stick and they get really slick over time. Since then, I've started using stick tape (ProMark Stick Rapp).

My only warning is this: Once you start using it, it's really hard to go back to a regular stick without it. Although YMMV, I love the stuff.
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Or acid......................

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Do people still drop acid? Can you get me some?

Also Pocket... isn't reckoning strictly an American cowboy thing? I notice that you reckon quite a bit for an Aussie and I'm not sure it's appropriate :)
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Do people still drop acid? Can you get me some?

Also Pocket... isn't reckoning strictly an American cowboy thing? I notice that you reckon quite a bit for an Aussie and I'm not sure it's appropriate :)
Aussies reckon. We reckon all the time. I once shared a house with a Canuck who thought all my reckoning was hilarious. "Do ya rrrreckon?" she'd always ask me in her thick accent. I reckoned she'd obviously never heard the word before.

We reckon alright mate. In fact, I reckon if you looked hard enough, you'd find that acid you're chasing too.
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Do people still drop acid? Can you get me some?

Also Pocket... isn't reckoning strictly an American cowboy thing? I notice that you reckon quite a bit for an Aussie and I'm not sure it's appropriate :)
Sorry, Larry, it was just a joke, but to answer your question. It is still around here and there.
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Dang Bob "Dropping stick happens until one day you realize that you haven't dropped one since you can remember. Five mins later you drop one again." Oh god so besides art-hritis I probably have some dementia forgetting my past drops of of of.....What was I talking about? LOL
Larry don't drop acid looks what it does to your memory;) Hey that reminds me of acid washing glassware for tissue culture stuff. Oh I digress. Now I remember we are talking about schticks which I haven't had one in awhile and if I had a schtick I surely wouldn't drop it.
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Something in your setup off maybe?

I moved my hats to a new spot the other day and there were sticks flying everywhere for a while. :)
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Aussies reckon. We reckon all the time. I once shared a house with a Canuck who thought all my reckoning was hilarious. "Do ya rrrreckon?" she'd always ask me in her thick accent. I reckoned she'd obviously never heard the word before.

We reckon alright mate. In fact, I reckon if you looked hard enough, you'd find that acid you're chasing too.

Well OK... I guess I can't blame you. American culture IS so highly influential. But I'm warning you Jules, if I catch you saying you're going to head them off at the pass....well that's where I draw the line. I mean you don't see me going around saying fair dinkum, or barbie, or walkabout, or any of the other Australian cliches. How would you feel if I took something very Australian and tried to pass it off like it was an American thing?
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This thread has been quiet for a while. I was curious if anyone had posted on dropping sticks after I dropped a stick last night. It was fun reading through these.

I'll add an interesting moment I had in a rehearsal a while back. I caught a stick on the underside of a cymbal and it flew up and spun around. I managed to track and catch it. After the tune, the bass player said, "wow, really cook trick you did in that tune!" Uh, right...

Here's a great video of Joe Morello playing Take Five on Conan O'Brien. He drops a stick part way through and then has troubling digging out the right one to replace it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kc97rN4Af0

I figure if Joe Morello dropped a stick on national TV, then I'm not too worried about the occasional drop.
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I do not drop sticks.

Nor do I prepare for it.

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Nor do I prepare for it.

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