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Old 06-13-2014, 08:30 AM
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This isn't something I noticed, Pico - World Cup haircuts are notorious.

Google search = "world cup" haircuts
About 4,290,000 results
Heeeeeee! it is a bit girly after all, you don't see those in rugby, hey?
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Old 06-13-2014, 09:52 AM
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Yeah, me. Soccer, yes that's right its soccer, is one of the most boring sports in the world to watch. A bunch of dudes running back and forth kicking a ball. It is about as entertaining as baseball and basketball, or drying paint for that matter.

As for the homeless issue, in the US it is now illegal in some cities to feed the homeless. Go figure.
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Just on the 'soccer' theme. It's an English name derived from 'Association Football' (apparently) but I'll still never call it that.
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Just on the 'soccer' theme. It's an English name derived from 'Association Football' (apparently) but I'll still never call it that.
I didn't know that, though it makes sense, and no, neither will I.

The World Cup hairdos are quite wonderful. Almost worth having a World Cup for.
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Old 06-13-2014, 10:32 AM
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Always a fan of playing all sports, not watching them though thats the absolute worst. Better to hear about if they win or see highlights somewhere else.

The world cup is my only exception really. But I don't really watch it, I just use it as a commercial break if I even watch tv. The fact that there are ridiculous rivalries is always annoying, but then having this world cup started with bloodshed is pretty sad. Probably not going to bother with it this time.
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Surely this world cup is worth keeping an eye on for the spectacle if nothing else? Football played in its spiritual home? Brazil v Argentina in the final? Should be a classic.
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:42 PM
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Football played in its spiritual home?
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Just to add balance, let's have a look some others ports - especially American sports. Calling your national baseball league World Series is a wank. Admit it. Meanwhile grid iron is almost as fast as golf and lawn bowls. Almost. (sorry Bon lol). But it's at least faster than cricket (sorry Duncan).

In Australia, we either have Aussie Rules and Rugby league, both games thuggish and dangerous. Unlike grid iron, where everyone hugs and chats in a sewing circle most of the time, in thugby league they spend half their time with their heads up each others' (ample) arses. In Aussie Rules there are long passages where the players scrabble around as though they're competing to grab a cake of wet soap from the bottom of the bathtub.
OK, this is funny because we hear the similar things about Euro-sports here. Stuff like: "Soccer is slow and boring" or "Soccer players are soft because they fake injuries all the time" (which even the most diehard fan would admit to be true).

All of these athletes, whether they play American football, rugby or baseball are incredibly gifted and tough. Calling an NFL huddle a sewing circle is hilarious because American Football is possibly the hardest hitting sport there is. So much so that there is a significant movement going on to lessen the head to head impacts because guys are getting their brains scrambled. But I'm not going to say they are tougher than a hockey player or rugby player because they are all tough.

As far as the "World Series". I guess the name is a little pompous but it is generally acknowledged that Major league baseball is the highest level of baseball played in the world.
So much so that the highest level of pro baseball outside of the USA (Japan) is considered to be on a par with the development leagues for major league players.

I think we tend to like those sports we grew up with.

And no, I don't care at all about the world cup.
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Old 06-13-2014, 03:11 PM
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This is an interesting thread. I compare the posts on this thread to those threads where drummers and musicians ask, if it is just and fair that musicians have to play for free, and there is no respect for live music, and the internet has changed the way musicians work.

I personally have no interest in the sports entertainment, and am only affected by it when I pass through a traffic jam that has been caused by a sporting event.

Live music and live sports have many things in common as well as differences.

Here are some similarities that I notice: Both are entertainment industries. Both require an audience, either remote or direct, in order to provide for the entertainers financially.
Both audiences can monitor events remotely live or recorded. The entertainers are willing to perform for their own amusement even without an audience. Jam sessions or baseball games at the company picnic are mostly for the amusement of the players. Both groups of entertainers find personal and non-monetary satisfaction when there is an audience. Remote groups of audiences can view the entertainment. Remote single individuals can view the entertainment. Both industries suffer from an over saturation and free of charge events. Both sporting and music events can have single performer acts.

The differences are harder for me to compile. The sporting industry when radio, and television were introduced as remote viewing technologies, were able to control the viewing so that the technology did not saturate the industry and subtract from the monetary value of the industry.

The introduction of digital music has impacted the music industry in ways where the music industry has not been able to recover from the monetary loss, and is still trying to find a path to provide for the members of the industry.

Bars have televisions playing sporting events all over, and the people as a group, watch the events. There is a group experience, and the events provide a certain unified emotional outburst. Even with opposing teams and fans, there is one subset at the bar that would have a negative emotion and other subset would have a positive emotion. However, in the bar there is still a unified emotional outburst.

It is rare to see a group emotional outburst in a bar where music events are shown. However, you rarely see two sports fans dancing to the World Series or the Super Bowl. Perhaps this is left to a more private event, and not found in the bars.

It appears that the emotional attachment to these events may play a key role in understanding of why and how these two industries have been influenced by the remote technologies, and it may also provide help to solving the musical industry’s problems.
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I have no interest in this event, I prefer to watch America's Cup.
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If anyone's interested, England are currently 555-9. Giving Sri Lanka a right kicking.

Sorry, that's cricket. Only I watch that. Apologies. Move along.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:30 PM
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I'm only interested in 3 cups. Whichever one I'm currently drinking from and the two that are holding my girlfriend's boulders.
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:28 PM
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Triggers a philosophical question though:
You enjoy playing sports but not watching it. I'm not saying anyone should, but:
You enjoy playing music and you enjoy listening to it, right?
What's the difference?
Music is artistic and interesting, watching other people play sports on TV is boring as hell. If it helps in the answer, I'd much rather be playing music than watching someone else play it.
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Yanks call a round black and white ball a soccer ball. Europeans call that a football. What do Europeans call an American style football, you know the brown one with the 2 white stripes?
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The soccer babes are the only attraction for me.
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Yanks call a round black and white ball a soccer ball. Europeans call that a football. What do Europeans call an American style football, you know the brown one with the 2 white stripes?
An American football, as far as I know.
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Yanks call a round black and white ball a soccer ball. Europeans call that a football. What do Europeans call an American style football, you know the brown one with the 2 white stripes?
An American Football. It's very simple, really.
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An American Football. It's very simple, really.
Oh OK. You preface it with American.

It is simple.

But do you guys put a condescending inflection to it, like an American pffft football?

Like do you Europeans look at American football in a "less than" light at all? I mean I don't care one way or the other, I'm just interested in how the rest of the world sees the U.S. I'm sure there are plenty of Yanks who look at European football as "less than".

Which is kind of limiting. It's just different cultures. We scream and cry about preserving freedom but at the same time we look down on things different than us. Why is that?

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Dont shoot me larryace but from living in the UK and Netherlands there seems to be an overhwhelmingly unanimous feeling on this:

1) Ameicans are dumb for calling it football when its clearly done with hands.
2) Its a pussy sport, try rugby where you dont wear tonnes of protection.

Thats pretty much it? Though we are jealous that a sport gets as much attention as the superbowl, i mean come on thats insane!
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But do you guys put a condescending inflection to it, like an American pffft football?
No, there's no need. Whenever we say "American", there's an implied "pffft" anyway.

Actually, it's more compassionate than condescending.

StaggerLee, I don't agree with your first point: in Rugby Union (I don't know about League) the game is frequently referred to as "football" - presumably a legacy from the original "Rugby football". I do, however, entirely endorse your second point!
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No, there's no need. Whenever we say "American", there's an implied "pffft" anyway.

Actually, it's more compassionate than condescending.
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We do use our feet. Kick offs, punts, extra points, and field goals. It wasn't until later in the history of the game that we started forward passes. As in Soccer(football) the hands are sometimes used. Throw-ins and throws by goalies. And because in Rugby no matter how tough the guys they do not run any where near the speed of American footballers, nor do they have downfield blocking or forward passes where defensive players will try and take your head off.

And I really don't see where "dumb" fits into the equation. Last I heard when the NFL brought American Football to London during the last two years pre-season the stadiums were sold out. Must be some interest there. Our commsioner is trying his best to get at least one NFL team there permanently. Must not be too dumb.
I have learned to embrace all sports and tried to understand them because I like being entertained. We'll see how well the NFL does in Old London Town then you can call us dumb.
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Yes Grunt, to be fair, although it is a minority sport over here, American football is very popular indeed.

I'm not convinced that your footballers run significantly faster than our rugby players, but my opinion is based on no evidence whatsoever!
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Trust me you may have a few players that can run but our guys would smoke any rugby team
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An American Footballer might outrun a Rugby player but mainly because they've only been on the pitch three minutes and run ten yards in total...
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Just on the 'soccer' theme. It's an English name derived from 'Association Football' (apparently) but I'll still never call it that.
Here's a decent rundown of the history of the name...
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Haters and non-carers, that's completely different animals. See?

Even if it was about hating - why not have a discussion?
I was goofing around, mostly.
But why not have a discussion? It usually ends in name calling and divisiveness.

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Oh OK. You preface it with American.

It is simple.

But do you guys put a condescending inflection to it, like an American pffft football?

Like do you Europeans look at American football in a "less than" light at all? I mean I don't care one way or the other, I'm just interested in how the rest of the world sees the U.S. I'm sure there are plenty of Yanks who look at European football as "less than".

Which is kind of limiting. It's just different cultures. We scream and cry about preserving freedom but at the same time we look down on things different than us. Why is that?

Rodney King said it best.
No condescending tones from me, I'm just not a fan of the game. It's very stop-start and lacks excitement, continuity and flow in my opinion. Though, another U.S game, Basketball, I find very entertaining.

As for the football, yeah I'm glued to the world cup at the moment. Have watched every game so far. Have some money on Spain and Brazil to win the tournament. Bit worried at the moment as the Netherlands are 3-1 up against Spain currently!

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Just so there's never any question on this in the future:

I have no interest whatsoever in major televised sports of any kind, including soccer, football, baseball, tennis, NASCAR, horse racing or any endeavor that involves people chasing after or striking an object in some manner of "us versus them" adversarial construct.

While I am a strong proponent of individual athleticism, it is my observation that many televised sports appeal to all the wrong instincts in people. Second, I see these as little more than profit making schemes that distract people and leverage off of their in-group biases.

I see nothing wrong with a bunch of friends getting together to play baseball or soccer or whatever on a nice afternoon. It's good, solid, healthy fun. But sitting on a couch and watching other very highly paid people play that game while screaming at the TV, not so much.
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An American Footballer might outrun a Rugby player but mainly because they've only been on the pitch three minutes and run ten yards in total...
You would be surprised at how fit these guys are. My reference to speed was mainly made to accentuate the need for equipment when these world class sprinters, and many are college track stars, collide running different directions and meet head on. I have watched rugby and most of the flow is in one direction. There are no 30 yard sprints and then get slammed by an opponent running into them from the other direction.
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Now that was a good old Dutch spanking! We have a little something against the Spanish that dates back to the 16th century. Possibly the most exciting match of the 2014 world cup.
The haircuts were underwhelming though.
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Just so there's never any question on this in the future:

I have no interest whatsoever in major televised sports of any kind, including soccer, football, baseball, tennis, NASCAR, horse racing or any endeavor that involves people chasing after or striking an object in some manner of "us versus them" adversarial construct.

While I am a strong proponent of individual athleticism, it is my observation that many televised sports appeal to all the wrong instincts in people.
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In the US we call discussions like these "Armchair Quarterbacks"

Not a soccer fan, my dad was born in Mexico so he and my brother are big fans. I suppose I might end up watching a game but Soccer is just too slow for my goldfish attention span. Not really a sports guy, I follow basketball if the AZ team ends up in the playoffs and my wife and I enjoy watching boxing.
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You would be surprised at how fit these guys are. My reference to speed was mainly made to accentuate the need for equipment when these world class sprinters, and many are college track stars, collide running different directions and meet head on. I have watched rugby and most of the flow is in one direction. There are no 30 yard sprints and then get slammed by an opponent running into them from the other direction.
There's no questioning the fitness of most American Footballers (with the exception of a few linebackers I've seen). There are certainly very big hits at high speed. Having played Rugby for thirteen years (started at five, stopped playing regularly at 18) I have been involved in a fair few big hits. Most of the hits aren't at speed but the ground work and scrummaging is where a lot of the impacts are.

This is a very old video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t62oLlhp0m8

But it says everything about what Rugby has now become. Twenty years ago, Rugby was not a professional sport in the Northern Hemisphere. Players were sized based on their position. Somebody like me (6'2", 210Ibs when I was fit) would have been considered a decent-sized second-row or blind-side flanker (large players in the scrum, particularly second row). Nowadays, a lot of the backs (as in, running players) are that size and the forwards are bigger. The fitness has improved enormously, as has the speed and impact of players in the running game.

Any modern, professional international team would absolutely destroy the finest sides of thirty years ago in terms of skill, size, speed and fitness.

I have seen big hits in Rugby, I've seen big hits in American Football. The major difference as far as I'm concerned is that in Rugby, you are on the pitch for forty minutes at a time (unless you get substituted, obviously - of which there are a limited number available) and in that time, the majority of it will be in open play. In American Football, you might be on the pitch for ten minutes, although you're only actually playing a 'live' ball for seconds at a time.

Don't let the breakdown in Rugby Union (after tackles) fool you - that isn't players stopping, it's players essentially wrestling with each other.
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I have watched rugby and most of the flow is in one direction. There are no 30 yard sprints and then get slammed by an opponent running into them from the other direction.
That's very possible in Rugby too. A fullback (often the last line of defence) can come across and nail someone running for the try line.
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That's very possible in Rugby too. A fullback (often the last line of defence) can come across and nail someone running for the try line.
My favourite was taking out a winger in full flight down the touch line with a twenty yard run-up.
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My favourite was taking out a winger in full flight down the touch line with a twenty yard run-up.
I was a winger for a time when I played Union for Halifax. Got taken out a few times by a fast(er) running full back. It wasn't you was it?!
I eventually went to full back & got to do the same to others. Much more fun tackling than being tackled!

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I have watched rugby and most of the flow is in one direction. There are no 30 yard sprints and then get slammed by an opponent running into them from the other direction.
I would hazard a guess that if NFL players weren't wearing padding & helmets they wouldn't be tackling with quite so much abandon.
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Dodeska - that was the funny thing. That particular game I was playing blind-side flanker (usually played second row but blind-side was my favourite) and they'd won the scrummage and run it down the line deep from a central scrum.

That same game I splattered their scrum half who attempted a blind-side manoeuvre. He was all arms and legs as I jumped on him (he was about a 8" shorter than me). Very satisfying.

The good old days.
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Just watched the second half of Oz being downed 3-1 by Chile. Who knows, maybe I give more of a toss than I thought.

Still think the Aussie Rules Football (or "the footy" as it's affectionately known here) is the greatest of all the "football" codes in the world though. Requires skills above the head, skills below the knees, play coming from all directions, tackles coming from all directions, speed, agility, the ability to be able to run in all directions for around 2 hours, the ability to hand pass with left and right hand and kick the ball on your left and right feet, the aerial skills are spectacular and above all, you don't need to be 6'5" and 130kgs just to play it. No other 'foot to ball' sport shows off such an all round skill set. What more could you want.
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I've got to say Jules, having played Aussie Rules a few times in fitter days, it was a lot of fun and something I could've definitely have played more given the opportunity.
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