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Old 03-15-2014, 11:48 AM
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Ok, nothing thinly veiled about this ;) We're running a competition! I'm travelling outside the country next week, & when I return, we'll be officially launching a video competition on our website & Guru Facebook page. It's free to enter, & the prize is a 13" x 7" In-Tense series steam bent English Ash snare, c/w protection racket AAA rigid case, delivered priority air to your door, anywhere in the world!

You'll have to work for it though ;) Entrants are invited to submit a video of around 1 minute duration demonstrating the sounds they can pull from their snare drum in a creative way. We're looking for expression using dynamics & a wide range of sounds, not blazing technical stuff. We suggest use of both snares on & snares off, rimshots, cross stick, etc to achieve this. Performance can be either solo snare or in a kit/alternative percussion context. Videos will need to be submitted to our Facebook page, either linked to Youtube or uploaded to Vimeo. Closing date for submissions is Sunday June 1st. The best 5 submissions will be selected by a panel of judges consisting of Guru artists, & the winner will be drawn live at the Manchester drum show on Sunday 8th of June.

To make this as inclusive as possible, the final 5 submissions will consist of videos from players with a variety of abilities, from beginner through to seasoned pro. Quality of visuals or audio will not feature in the decision either, but it must be clear & without distortion. In all cases, & following Guru's standards, all submissions must be unprocessed (no EQ/effects, etc). Hopefully, this means everyone stands a chance of winning, so get creative :) Submission details will be posted next week, c/w a full list of (sensible) rules.

For the interest of forum members (Mod's permitting), I'm hoping to update the forum with submissions as they come in.

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Old 03-15-2014, 12:49 PM
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Bollocks, I was hoping it would be judged on caek-making ability!
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Old 03-15-2014, 01:33 PM
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Bollocks, I was hoping it would be judged on caek-making ability!
Ok, we can't include baking skills, but I can't over emphasise how much we're looking for creative use of snare sounds. Additionally, as the best 5 entries will encompass the widest range of abilities, this really is a competition where anyone with some imagination & a camera stands a really good chance of winning.

We've deliberately chosen this snare drum too, as the winner will be rewarded with (in our opinion) the most expressive possible instrument :)
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:12 PM
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Wow great prize! What a generous offer Andy. I won't enter though, I have (almost) 2 Guru snares already. Will be watching the contest with great interest though.
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You guys rock Andy! What a great idea. I'll have to do my greatest snare solo ever, but I'll git 'er done for sure. Thanks for the competition, and a chance to win a Guru snare.

You forum folks better bring your A game!!
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This isn't about baking, this is about how well you can cook
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:53 PM
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Wow great prize! What a generous offer Andy. I won't enter though, I have (almost) 2 Guru snares already. Will be watching the contest with great interest though.
Thanks Larry :) Just to clarify though, the competition is absolutely open to existing Guru owners, but the the drums you currently play will have no influence on the results decisions.

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Thanks :) Glad you like the competition idea. It's open to all drummers, of all abilities, & wether you're a member of this forum, another forum, or no forum participation at all. Neither Dean or myself will have any influence in the video selection, other than excluding submissions that don't meet the stated criteria (rules to be published next week when the competition is officially launched). The judging panel will be given the published judging criteria, & from then on, it's out of our hands. The final "draw" from the selection put forward by the judging panel will be conducted live at the Manchester drum show by someone with no connection to Guru Drums.

The only additional feature I'm still considering is including a public vote element. The most voted for video being given one of the 5 finalist places. I'll confirm that next week.

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Now that is absolutely quote of the day, & very much in the spirit of this competition. We're looking for creative use of the variety of sounds you can get from a snare drum. Slick videos, presentations, amazing audio, blazing technique, great sounding drums - non of it matters in this competition. If your snare drum cost $1 from a yard sale, your video is recorded on a mobile phone, & you have no idea what a double stroke roll is, we don't care. It's your ability to embrace the palate of sounds on offer, & use those sounds in a dynamic way to weave something that makes the judges smile. It really is that simple - or is it ;)
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This competition should be entered by MrInsanePolack with a vengeance. Here's your chance!
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This competition should be entered by MrInsanePolack with a vengeance. Here's your chance!
This is definitely on my radar. Might be the only way to get my hands on one without resorting to robbery!
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This is definitely on my radar. Might be the only way to get my hands on one without resorting to robbery!
Remember though, the prize drum is a different spec to the "wanted" one in your sig. Think you just might be able to suffer with it though ;)
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Remember though, the prize drum is a different spec to the "wanted" one in your sig. Think you just might be able to suffer with it though ;)
Oh yes, I would happily suffer!
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Single snare or multiple snares? I have a couple of ideas...
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Old 03-15-2014, 11:36 PM
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The idea is to pull sounds out of a single snare drum, but that can be in combination with other drums, such as a kit, some percussion, or indeed, more snare drums. That said, the judges will still base their decision mainly on the variety of sounds & their creative use from one drum, although context is a consideration too. I hope that helps :)
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Oh yes, I would happily suffer!
Noooo, you wouldn't. I'd take your winnings off your hands for a nominal fee, however!
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Noooo, you wouldn't. I'd take your winnings off your hands for a nominal fee, however!
Would have to be caek for sure!
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It's a deal!...................
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Think i got a cool idea for this but i'll wait till the rules are posted and if i'm actually able to pull it off. wich i'll find out next friday lol
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The idea is to pull sounds out of a single snare drum, but that can be in combination with other drums, such as a kit, some percussion, or indeed, more snare drums. That said, the judges will still base their decision mainly on the variety of sounds & their creative use from one drum, although context is a consideration too. I hope that helps :)
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You better believe I'm pulling out my Glenn Kotche brain for this.
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Think i got a cool idea for this but i'll wait till the rules are posted and if i'm actually able to pull it off. wich i'll find out next friday lol
This is great! The whole idea of this competition is to engage creativeness & place attention on working with different textures, more specifically, textures & different dynamic responses from a snare drum. Quite a way away from most drumming competitions, & we think, more interesting.

Looking forward to your submission :)

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Superb! I love it when a plan comes together :) This competition is as much about the thinking & conceptual approach as it is the performance itself. Not only is that a cool thing IMO, it's also a leveller in terms of the usual emphasis on overt displays of sticking technique.

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Ha, now that's thinking it through, but no need for extreme snare customisation. Although I'm not judging this, I imagine judges will be more impressed with the ability to pull out sounds from a standard instrument as opposed to adding a load of stuff to the drum. Not my call though, so who knows!


BTW, before anyone reading this early heads up puts undue effort in, one of the rules is: players with an endorsement arrangement with a drum company, are not eligible to enter.
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Very cool idea. Although I have reservations about being creative - I'm really good at imitating sounds - doing something totally new and creative is hard for me. But I'd love to see everyone's submissions!
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Very cool idea. Although I have reservations about being creative - I'm really good at imitating sounds - doing something totally new and creative is hard for me. But I'd love to see everyone's submissions!
You can be creative within the context of imitating sounds. We're not expecting new & groundbreaking unheard of sounds. You may need to read the competition rules though Bo :(
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Ok, competition is now officially launched! Details of how to enter, rules, & other criteria are posted on the competition page here: http://www.gurudrums.co.uk/#!snare-competition/c1lag Link is also in our signature for the duration of the competition.

Please share this link & our Facebook competition posts as widely as possible please. It's a genuinely inclusive competition, with an amazing prize, & with submissions I hope will be more satisfying than most.

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Federal, state, and local taxes and fees are the responsibility of the winner.
Completely correct. We encourage all those thinking of participating to read the rules carefully. They're simple & transparent, but necessary.

When we've shipped drums to the USA in the past, total duty/tax costs have been fairly reasonable (some Guru customers who are forum members may be able to add more detail), but of course, that varies from state to state. We've found total duties in Australia to be significantly higher. Irrespective of duty levels, the total cost to the winner is still a fraction of the prize value though.
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Is there a limitation on the number of videos that can be submitted?
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Andy...you're an amazing man and so generous. This is such a fun idea. WHAT a great prize, wow! In the grand scheme of things, these drums are really pretty rare. The steambent English Ash In-Tense drums you guys make....friggin grand slam man, I really can't say enough about them, except truly, they are all that.

I love my Guru Steambent In-Tense Ash snare more than any other snare drum I've ever played, no contest, it just has such an expressive tone. The English Ash you guys use....WHAT a great set of freqs your English Ash makes. I can't believe other companies haven't exploited it before. My only regret is I didn't order more drums.

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No, you can submit as many as you want, so long as they're all different, & all entered into the same category :)
Awesome, thank you. This helps, as I have spent the past 24 hours or so trying to figure out which route I want to go to keep it within a minute. A minute is a long time unless you are trying to do something within that minute, then it never seems to be long enough.
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Andy...you're an amazing man and so generous. This is such a fun idea. WHAT a great prize, wow! In the grand scheme of things, these drums are really pretty rare. The steambent English Ash In-Tense drums you guys make....friggin grand slam man, I really can't say enough about them, except truly, they are all that.

I love my Guru Steambent In-Tense Ash snare more than any other snare drum I've ever played, no contest, it just has such an expressive tone. The English Ash you guys use....WHAT a great set of freqs your English Ash makes. I can't believe other companies haven't exploited it before. My only regret is I didn't order more drums.

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Awesome, thank you. This helps, as I have spent the past 24 hours or so trying to figure out which route I want to go to keep it within a minute. A minute is a long time unless you are trying to do something within that minute, then it never seems to be long enough.
The rules request around 1 minute ideally, but state that the video must not exceed 1.5 minutes, so you do have a little wiggle room should you think it benefits the performance.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm...

My snare sounds amount to "snares on, snares off, rimshot".

Think I'll let the others do the entering :-(

Amazing idea though - 10/10!
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My snare sounds amount to "snares on, snares off, rimshot".

Think I'll let the others do the entering :-(

Amazing idea though - 10/10!
Thanks :) That's enough sounds to work with already. It's what you do with them that matters, not how many sounds you use. In addition to the sounds you mention, there's always cross stick (I think we all use that at some time), as well as the various sound flavours between the centre of the head & the rim. Then there's fingers, hand muting, & changes in tools such as brushes, rods, etc, & that's before you get into the avant garde stuff :) Just paint from the palate available to you, & you'll be fine :)
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Shoot, i was getting excited about this, but then i saw the endorsement exclusion. I endorse Taye drums, so i'm out! Damn, lol
I'll post a link on my Facebook and see if any other drummers i know are interested.
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I'll post a link on my Facebook and see if any other drummers i know are interested.
Yes, please share as much as possible :)

I'm sorry about the endorsing artist rule clause, but I'm sure you understand how it doesn't sit well, either with us, or the artists chosen company.

Just running to catch a flight now. I'll be back Friday if there's more questions. Get those submissions in!!!!
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I've just had time to sit down and have a proper look at the brief and the rules, and I think it's wonderful! I'm particularly appreciative of the way you are comparing apples with apples.

I've shared the link on my FB but I don't know why - I don't WANT anybody else to enter!
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Oh man, I'd love that snare.

I don't really know many snare tricks though :(

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I've just had time to sit down and have a proper look at the brief and the rules, and I think it's wonderful! I'm particularly appreciative of the way you are comparing apples with apples.

I've shared the link on my FB but I don't know why - I don't WANT anybody else to enter!
You are entering the competition though, right?

We've tried to make this as inclusive as possible. Expression is rewarded rather than classic sticking skills.

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Oh man, I'd love that snare.

I don't really know many snare tricks though :(

Good luck to the dw crew.
You don't need to know any snare tricks. Just expression on the snare, in a kit context if you like. A combination of snares off, snares on, & some rimshots in the mix, delivered with a strong dynamic is easily enough to catch the judges attention. Certainly with your skills, you're in a great position to win. Give it a go! :)
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Old 03-21-2014, 04:24 AM
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This is such a cool idea and what an amazingly generous gift!
Hmm...now which snare should I use in a video? Decisions,decisions.
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This is such a cool idea and what an amazingly generous gift!
Hmm...now which snare should I use in a video? Decisions,decisions.
Thank you :)

Really looking forward to your submission!
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