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Old 12-28-2013, 04:21 PM
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Default Master Studies - How many reps do you play?

Joe Morello doesn't indicate how many times you should play each exercise in the Master Studies books, unlike G.L. Stone and his books. How many times do you guys play the exercise? What's a good number to aim for?
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Old 12-28-2013, 04:25 PM
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Depends on what section of the book you are working with....He does make recommendations in some sections.
I am interested in what tempo the "mere mortals" work work towards???? Denis
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Old 12-28-2013, 04:43 PM
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I studied with Joe, so maybe I can help to answer your question. Joe was first concerned about the correct rhythm and technique of each exercise. You should take each exercise at a tempo that you are comfortable with - challenging yourself just a bit, but not enough to cause tension.

He often did not assign a certain number of repetitions (with some exceptions). It was understood that repetition was part of the equation, so I just repeated each exercise numerous times.

He did have a saying that came from George Lawrence Stone (Joe's Teacher).

Precision + Accuracy = Control x Endurance = Speed

Each exercise had to be rhythmically and technically correct, which gives you control. Multiply that by numerous repetitions (endurance) and the result is speed (as well as precision and accuracy).

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Old 12-28-2013, 04:58 PM
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I studied with Joe, so maybe I can help to answer your question. Joe was first concerned about the correct rhythm and technique of each exercise. You should take each exercise at a tempo that you are comfortable with - challenging yourself just a bit, but not enough to cause tension.

He often did not assign a certain number of repetitions (with some exceptions). It was understood that repetition was part of the equation, so I just repeated each exercise numerous times.

He did have a saying that came from George Lawrence Stone (Joe's Teacher).

Precision + Accuracy = Control x Endurance = Speed

Each exercise had to be rhythmically and technically correct, which gives you control. Multiply that by numerous repetitions (endurance) and the result is speed (as well as precision and accuracy).

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I usually like to practice slowly, so that's understood. How does 5 minutes for each exercise sound? (The ones that Morello didn't indicate anyway)

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Old 12-28-2013, 05:09 PM
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I usually like to practice slowly, so that's understood. How does 5 minutes for each exercise sound?
Even though I usually don't time them, I would say I do each one for about a minute and a half to two minutes.

Joe would assign a tempo range, so as you became comfortable with the exercise you would move the tempo up.

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Old 12-28-2013, 05:14 PM
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Even though I usually don't time them, I would say I do each one for about a minute and a half to two minutes.
Cool, sounds good. Thanks for sharing, Jeff! It's great hearing from an actual Morello student.
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:29 PM
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Very informative....thanks 'cat and Jeff.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:50 PM
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He did have a saying that came from George Lawrence Stone (Joe's Teacher).

Precision + Accuracy = Control x Endurance = Speed

Each exercise had to be rhythmically and technically correct, which gives you control. Multiply that by numerous repetitions (endurance) and the result is speed (as well as precision and accuracy).

Jeff
Thanks for posting that, Jeff. I study a lot with Dom Famularo, but never got a chance to meet with Joe. Dom mentioned the above to me at one point - at the top of the page that he gave me, it prefaced "as told to Joe Morello circa 1940 (via Stone), and Dom 1971 (via Joe).
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Precision = natural and correct technique and form
Accuracy = natural and correct time and dynamic
Endurance = strength + sustainability

A to B training
A to C the Event or Speed


A |---------|C------------------------| B
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Thanks for posting that, Jeff. I study a lot with Dom Famularo, but never got a chance to meet with Joe. Dom mentioned the above to me at one point - at the top of the page that he gave me, it prefaced "as told to Joe Morello circa 1940 (via Stone), and Dom 1971 (via Joe).
To go even further:
Precision = natural and correct technique and form
Accuracy = natural and correct time and dynamic
Endurance = strength + sustainability

A to B training
A to C the Event or Speed


A |---------|C------------------------| B
Yes, Stone's equation really makes sense. If one doesn't have the first part of it (precision and accuracy), the repetitions will not be as beneficial. As I tell my students, you will get better at whatever you practice. If you practice multiple repetitions of exercises that are inaccurate (technically or rhythmically), you will better at playing sloppily.

Also, the end result of the equation is speed. With Joe, you didn't practice speed. Speed came as a result of your practice.

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