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Old 12-15-2013, 10:47 PM
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Weird, no thread about NAMM?

Please share some rumors or what you'd actually like to see in the stores next year.

Got two things so far:

Yamaha will show their Absolute Evolution series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYGSjQ61BBs

and Ludwig their Signet 105 series:

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Introducing the Signet 105 Series Drums by Ludwig USA. It
offers the up-and-coming player American drum
craftsmanship at an affordable price. Built with 105 years of
tradition in exceptional American craftsmanship, the North
American Maple shells resonate the professional Ludwig
sound. Also, hand-applied Satin lacquer finish over
engineered-exotic wood veneer and the innovative Insta-Lite
Lug with Triad Suspension Mount allows the player to assemble and personalize the kit
in minutes. It comes in two shell packs, a 4 piece (22/16/12/10) shell pack
(LSS030XTK); street pricing starts at $799. This kit is for professional quality and
sound, when it is no longer the destination but part of the journey! Made in America by
Ludwig and You.
http://www.namm.org/sites/www.namm.o...sskits/WN14_10
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:56 PM
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Don Lombardi was hinting at a direct drive pedal, but all he said was: "We are more than just thinking about it". I think they are trying to find a way to actually innovate the concept of something that simple, but if they can't then they won't bother with it. It would be nice if they made a hub replacement that could retrofit your old 5000 pedal into direct drive for those interested, but it's not my company.

I'm hoping to see some new colors for the Performance and Design series. Something a little better than the subdued "car colors" that they've been doing lately.
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:51 AM
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I saw some weird cosplay people there last year. Not sure what that was all about, but I guess the proliferation of eye-candy isn't a bad thing. I hope they serve better food.
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and Ludwig their Signet 105 series
Well, I guess the cat's out about the "S" product I was hinting at...

Note: ... the innovative Insta-Lite Lug with Triad Suspension Mount allows the player to assemble and personalize the kit in minutes... Made in America by Ludwig and You.

I'll let everyone think about exactly what that could mean. :)

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Old 12-16-2013, 03:40 PM
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Hm. I thought I was dreaming the impossible dream when it came to thinking Ludwig could offer a USA made kit for under $1,000. Bermuda chuckled at the thought, as I recall. :)
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Old 12-16-2013, 03:50 PM
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I'd like to see a finger drum set-up, better than Zendrum, hit the market.

I wish Alternate Mode would make something.
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Old 12-16-2013, 03:52 PM
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Hm. I thought I was dreaming the impossible dream when it came to thinking Ludwig could offer a USA made kit for under $1,000. Bermuda chuckled at the thought, as I recall. :)
Care to guess why the kit is priced like that? :)
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Old 12-16-2013, 03:57 PM
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Care to guess why the kit is priced like that? :)
USA secretly invaded China last night? ;) ;) ;) JK!

I'm guessing the drums are assembled in the USA, but shells are brought in from offshore in addition to the normal offshore hardware sourcing?
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:05 PM
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This looks like it is going to be another great product from Ludwig. I'm just wondering how they are going to keep the prices down if they are made in the US. Will these be like they were in the 60's where they would just slap cheaper hardware on the top end shells to keep prices down?

Edit: I wrote this before the question was asked but posted after. the above is my response.
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:27 PM
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USA secretly invaded China last night? ;) ;) ;) JK!

I'm guessing the drums are assembled in the USA, but shells are brought in from offshore in addition to the normal offshore hardware sourcing?
I guess that's close enough? Wait..it's US maple correct? Not sure where the Chinese come into play. Probably hardware. I need a world map.
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:57 PM
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USA secretly invaded China last night? ;) ;) ;) JK!

I'm guessing the drums are assembled in the USA, but shells are brought in from offshore in addition to the normal offshore hardware sourcing?
Something about the "and you" part of that makes me think that its something else.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:01 PM
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Something about the "and you" part of that makes me think that its something else.

Good... good... keep going... :)
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Good... good... keep going... :)
They expect you to put it together is what I'm guessing or something weird.
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Well, I guess the cat's out about the "S" product I was hinting at...

Note: ... the innovative Insta-Lite Lug with Triad Suspension Mount allows the player to assemble and personalize the kit in minutes... Made in America by Ludwig and You.

I'll let everyone think about exactly what that could mean. :)

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Any indication if Ludwig is discontinuing any other lines to make room for this in the mid range?
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:30 PM
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They expect you to put it together is what I'm guessing or something weird.
+1 on this. When will these kits be made?
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:36 PM
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Good... good... keep going... :)
Ok, since you said it.

It's actually easy to figure:

You'll get the plywood, which is 100% USA made. No marketing lies there.

Then you'll need to get yourself some decent molds for 15 grands (if you are lucky).
That plus a drill. A can of clear lacquer is included by Ludwig, which is nice. *grin*

All jokes aside I'd like to see new direct link Yamaha pedals with longer foot boards.
Virgin bass drums for the PDP Concepts along with new finishes would be great.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:39 PM
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+1 on this. When will these kits be made?
So Ikea has gotten into the drum making business via Ludwig?

Let's hope we don't have to use those annoying little wrenches.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:53 PM
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They expect you to put it together is what I'm guessing or something weird.
DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER!!

Shells arrive pre-drilled/slotted, supplied lugs kind of "snap" into place, and if I recall, anything that needs tightening can be done with a drum key... or was it a supplied wrench... IKEA indeed!!

There'll be a kit or two at NAMM, and the finish is beautiful. I think they just offer one though. No idea how they'll sound though. Might be great, just like you wouldn't expect the Element Club Dates to sound great, but they do anyway!

But that's the key to the lower price - no US labor costs on installing hardware, mounts, or heads.

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Old 12-16-2013, 05:57 PM
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If they do it right they should be good. And it is also one of the smartest and best ways I have heard of cutting costs. I probably won't buy one but I think this is great and I also think it would be a great thing to buy a middle school kid. Something that he can put the work into. It will make him enjoy it more.
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DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER!!

Shells arrive pre-drilled/slotted, supplied lugs kind of "snap" into place, and if I recall, anything that needs tightening can be done with a drum key... or was it a supplied wrench... IKEA indeed!!

There'll be a kit or two at NAMM, and the finish is beautiful. I think they just offer one though. No idea how they'll sound though. Might be great, just like you wouldn't expect the Element Club Dates to sound great, but they do anyway!

But that's the key to the lower price - no US labor costs on installing hardware, mounts, or heads.

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Ah, that's a damn fine idea. Kind of "involving" too for the customer. I can see that taking off :)
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:20 PM
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DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER!!

Shells arrive pre-drilled/slotted, supplied lugs kind of "snap" into place, and if I recall, anything that needs tightening can be done with a drum key... or was it a supplied wrench... IKEA indeed!!

There'll be a kit or two at NAMM, and the finish is beautiful. I think they just offer one though. No idea how they'll sound though. Might be great, just like you wouldn't expect the Element Club Dates to sound great, but they do anyway!

But that's the key to the lower price - no US labor costs on installing hardware, mounts, or heads.

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Interesting.

Good the drummer that likes to tinker, or is buying a 2nd kit.

Horrible for the parent buying for their kid.

It will be very interesting if this starts a trend or not.

But saving on labor costs is huge.
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:42 PM
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I cringe at the thought of someone clumsy with tools putting one together.

"Oops - Oh well, it was going to get scratched eventually anyways."

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I don't think most people would have a problem with it though.
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Old 12-16-2013, 09:08 PM
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Supposedly the whole thing sets up in 30 minutes, and parts either snap into place or screw down easily. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the badge has to be fastened by the user!
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Old 12-16-2013, 10:17 PM
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...Yamaha will show their Absolute Evolution series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYGSjQ61BBs...

I'm pretty sure that odd little blurb just means that the Absolute series will be evolving.
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Old 12-16-2013, 10:21 PM
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Supposedly the whole thing sets up in 30 minutes, and parts either snap into place or screw down easily. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the badge has to be fastened by the user!
Do you know if they're still going to come with heads just not setup or you're going to have to buy a set of them.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:15 AM
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I'm pretty sure they come with everything. Just need complete Assembly
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That is a really good idea I think.
For years I have been saying that a company should offer this- A DIY assembly drum kit....for those who are so inclined. Sounding like an interesting NAMM coming up ....

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If it goes over well, maybe they'll take it to the next level - pick and choose individual size drums, different types of lugs, claws, spurs, rims, bolts, finishes and all the rest.

The labor savings might get overtaken by increased record keeping duties though.

I think Mapex Mydentity lets you pick that stuff, but it arrives assembled.
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I just wish for the day an e-kit has the same response as an acoustics kit. I don't care for sound, for for the feeling.

Guess it's far away from happening
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Ludwig could have marketed this as "the Erector Set." Interesting and unique concept.
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Old 12-17-2013, 02:51 PM
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A kit that requires assembly, that's interesting. It better be really inexpensive or it wont fly with buyers though.
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I'm envisioning a contest to see who can put together this kit in the shortest amount of time. Like a Rubik's Cube thing.
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A kit that requires assembly, that's interesting. It better be really inexpensive or it wont fly with buyers though.
That's the whole point - US-made shells that are moderately priced... the press release says $799 street for the kit. Are there ANY other new American-made kits in that range?

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I'm envisioning a contest to see who can put together this kit in the shortest amount of time. Like a Rubik's Cube thing.
There was talk of doing that at NAMM. :)

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That's the whole point - US-made shells that are moderately priced... the press release says $799 street for the kit. Are there ANY other new American-made kits in that range?





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That's my point, that's not a great deal in the eyes of an uneducated buyer. you want a kit for your son/daughter for that price that requires assembly or on for the same price that's ready to go? I think they may miss their target because its not inexpensive at that price to a lot of buyers. American made isn't that much of a selling point in drums, best selling ever is the Pearl export so that theory is out the window.
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That's my point, that's not a great deal in the eyes of an uneducated buyer. you want a kit for your son/daughter for that price that requires assembly or on for the same price that's ready to go? I think they may miss their target because its not inexpensive at that price to a lot of buyers. American made isn't that much of a selling point in drums, best selling ever is the Pearl export so that theory is out the window.
I agree, but it's a maple shell with a Satin lacquer finish. So it's not going after the Pearl Export market as much as it's going after the next tier up market (Gretsch Catalina, etc).

I am curious as to how well made the lugs are is they secure quickly (?). I guess I'll find out.
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I agree, but it's a maple shell with a Satin lacquer finish. So it's not going after the Pearl Export market as much as it's going after the next tier up market (Gretsch Catalina, etc).

I am curious as to how well made the lugs are is they secure quickly (?). I guess I'll find out.

the problem with not going after that market is they place the price point with that market. most of us here know that its a good deal, but most of us here are not buying them either. it may start a trend who knows. it would be quicker to market for the companies who do it but will they run into warranty issues with improperly assembled pieces?
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My take on it is that they are targeting the upper-intermediate kit range in terms of quality but by taking out the labor costs, they are actually coming down to near entry-level prices. I'll be interested to see, hear, and get feedback from initial offerings.

As with many innovations and experiments over the ears, this may either change the way we buy drums -- or be quickly swallowed up by the earth. (Gibraltar Catapult.... weren't you just talking about that the other day, Bermuda?)
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I'm pretty sure that odd little blurb just means that the Absolute series will be evolving.
You are correct. The new kit has been getting rave reviews at the VIP launches we held in New York, Nashville, and Burbank.
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[quote=alparrott;1208669]My take on it is that they are targeting the upper-intermediate kit range in terms of quality but by taking out the labor costs, they are actually coming down to near entry-level prices. I'll be interested to see, hear, and get feedback from initial offerings.

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Ha see, I was looking at it from the wrong side. That is the case here and its a great deal. Too many xmas cookies at work today and I get all messed up!
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DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER!!

Shells arrive pre-drilled/slotted, supplied lugs kind of "snap" into place, and if I recall, anything that needs tightening can be done with a drum key... or was it a supplied wrench... IKEA indeed!!

There'll be a kit or two at NAMM, and the finish is beautiful. I think they just offer one though. No idea how they'll sound though. Might be great, just like you wouldn't expect the Element Club Dates to sound great, but they do anyway!

But that's the key to the lower price - no US labor costs on installing hardware, mounts, or heads.

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