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Old 11-11-2013, 06:36 AM
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What is arguably the best flagship pedal out of Tama, Pearl, DW, Axis and such?
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What is arguably the best flagship pedal out of Tama, Pearl, DW, Axis and such?
The one that they list at the highest price.
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:57 PM
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"arguably the best" is the smart way to ask the question, because everyone will be arguing what's best!

There is no absolute best when it comes to something that depends on one's personal needs, standards, comfort, and abilities. It's completely subjective... whatever is best for the particular person. Ask 10 people, you'll get 12 answers.

I don't think that anyone (deliberately) makes a bad pedal, most companies offer very workable, comfortable pedals. Some offer more specific adjustments or other features intended to improve feel and response, but whether that's preferrable is also subjective.

Also, where do you draw the line at "big brands"? For example, I play the Taye pedal and love it, but most people still don't think of them as one of the majors.

And "flagship" means different things depending on the company. Is the DW 5000 or 9000 their flagship model? Is the Pearl Demon or the Eliminator their flagship?

Apart from the subjective nature of what's best, you can see that the parameters of the question add some ambiguity.

But to try and anser the question, for me, it's Taye's Metalworks pedal. :)

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The one that they list at the highest price.
Very often this is true, the most expensive pedal has the "flagship" tag to go along with it, like the drum lines, but it's not necessarily the "best" model, they make models for all budgets and all tastes... and at the end of the day, you pick what's best for you, you're always the winner and you'll always play with the "best" in your own eyes (ears).

For the record, I play a Mapex Falcon, for me it's my "best" pedal :)
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Always happens when the concept of "best" is discussed! :)

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Who'the best drummer in world? Travis Barker or Mike Portnoy? I vote for locking these threads before they even start. They add nothing to the state of drumming.
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Who'the best drummer in world? Travis Barker or Mike Portnoy? I vote for locking these threads before they even start. They add nothing to the state of drumming.
I hear you man... (... in any case it has to be Simon Phillips)

... but this is not a contest of who's best in terms of pedals, Emma is a "new" player and she's searching for the "best" equipment out there, including pedals, it's a call for help and advice, not an annoying thread about who's best... she's also looking for a kit around $900 and had a thread about what the best for that kind of money. In another thread she's looking for a hi-hat stand.

Maybe the OP hasn't been worded the best it could, but you can read between the line and certainly be familiar with the member's threads in general... before you come in and state that this thread should be closed.

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... but this is not a contest of who's best in terms of pedals, Emma is a "new" player and she's searching for the "best" equipment out there, including pedals, it's a call for help and advice, not an annoying thread about who's best... she's also looking for a kit around $900 and had a thread about what the best for that kind of money. In another thread she's looking for a hi-hat stand.
Yeah, I just wanted to know your guys' opinions about pedals like the Demon Drive, Speed and Iron Cobra, DW 9000, Mapex Falcon, Axis and Yamaha's such. Its just matter of your taste. ; ) I'm just wondering.
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Maybe we should switch "flagship" with "top of the line." It's more malleable.

I play the Iron Cobra Jr. double pedal and it's not "flagship" by any means, but it will get the job done. Personally, if I had the money to upgrade, I'd be between the Speed Cobra and Taye Metalworks. They have more features, smoother action, etc. Pedals are weird hardware, because unlike stand, you actually have to play them. Try to get your feet on them, then you'll know which one is best for you. I tried some Axis pedals and they felt to heavy, so just because a pedal is more expensive doesn't mean it is best. At the end of the day, the Iron Cobra Jr. is best in its price range for me.
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I second what Creeply Tuna said. You definitely have to try 'em all out. I love my DW 5000 and see no need to upgrade to a 9000. Its a great pedal though, just a bigger and heavier grade in my opinion. I recently tried a Pearl Demon Drive and was very surpised at how comfortable it was.
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I'm a DW pedal/hardware guy all day, but recently I tried out the new top of the line Yamaha double pedal and wow... it was nice. I think regardless of brand/model, it comes down to personal preference.
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They're all good but they all feel different and some have their flaws. I have a dw9million, mapex falcon and an old iron cobra. I sold my demon drive but I would own an eliminator.
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I hear you man... (... in any case it has to be Simon Phillips)

... but this is not a contest of who's best in terms of pedals, Emma is a "new" player and she's searching for the "best" equipment out there, including pedals, it's a call for help and advice, not an annoying thread about who's best... she's also looking for a kit around $900 and had a thread about what the best for that kind of money. In another thread she's looking for a hi-hat stand.

Maybe the OP hasn't been worded the best it could, but you can read between the line and certainly be familiar with the member's threads in general... before you come in and state that this thread should be closed.

Just my 2c...

Well maybe I have a problem with asking strangers on how to spend my own money instead of getting out of the house and trying some gear for yourself....not trying to be a jerk, but "best" means pretty much nothing.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:19 AM
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Well maybe I have a problem with asking strangers on how to spend my own money instead of getting out of the house and trying some gear for yourself....not trying to be a jerk, but "best" means pretty much nothing.
Excuse me, I try to get my feet and hands on everything I can. I just want opinions. And just because you say "not trying to be a jerk" doesn't make you any less of a jerk.
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A lot of people on forums ask what's 'best', without specifying objective criteria.

For subjective criteria, such as what feels best, or what works best, most people like what they've chosen - for different reasons.

For my specific subjective opinion - I like my Yamaha DFP9500d pedals, because they're light, fast, affordable, and work well for me compared to other pedals I've tried.

Everyone here will most likely give you similar opinions about very different pedals.
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I dig my trick dominators, though i think i may pick up some chain driven pedals for when i play more rythmic stuff. I find direct drives great for really fast double bass, but difficult to do patterns and stuff.
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What is arguably the best flagship pedal out of Tama, Pearl, DW, Axis and such?
Emma,

Are you asking because you intend to get one of the flagship models, or are you just curious?

You certainly don't have to have the top of the line pedal to play well.

If you're looking for a pedal, only your foot can tell you what's best. Just go try as many pedals as you can.
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Are you asking because you intend to get one of the flagship models, or are you just curious?
If you're looking for a pedal, only your foot can tell you what's best. Just go try as many pedals as you can.
I'm just curious, and I have DW 2000's and they're fast and affordable.
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A lot of people on forums ask what's 'best', without specifying objective criteria.
Exactly (and likewise, polls usually suffer from the same incomplete/inapplicable options.)

Asking which is the lightest or quietest pedal, or which has the most or least adjustments, would be easy questions to answer, although there'd probably still be some disagreement. But with anything subjective such as feel, where the user has personal preferences and experiences, there is no universal best.

There's no universal worst either, I suppose. There are people who still love their old Speed King, despite 99.9% of us who'd agree there are "better" pedals out there. Don't even get me started on the Gibraltar Catapult!

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I own a DW5000 and a DW9000. They're both great pedals. I like the 9000 because of how infinitely adjustable it is, and how beefy and tough it is. The 5000 is still great, however. The only real difference in feel between the two is that the 9000 is just a bit smoother than the 5000.

Heck, before I owned the 5000, I owned a Gretsch Blackhawk kick pedal. I bought it for $30 new. For that price, it was an incredible pedal. A little sluggish, but it was easy to get used to. Before that, I had a cheap Dixon pedal. I loved that pedal. It may have been a cheapo, but it was smooth and quick.

It's all about what your preferences are.

I like the Demon Drive, but it can be a little sluggish at times. I think I like Eliminators, but I've never played one that didn't have the footboard at much too low of an angle. I don't have much experience with Iron Cobras, but they seemed great the few times I played on them.

Ask yourself what you want in a pedal, and then go try some out. For my money, I've yet to play a pedal that felt as good as a 9000. Maybe an Axis, but I haven't had much of a chance to really sit down with one.
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Excuse me, I try to get my feet and hands on everything I can. I just want opinions. And just because you say "not trying to be a jerk" doesn't make you any less of a jerk.
Well Im sorry then. I just get tired of "the best" questions that seem to be inexhaustible on the internet.
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Well maybe I have a problem with asking strangers on how to spend my own money instead of getting out of the house and trying some gear for yourself....not trying to be a jerk, but "best" means pretty much nothing.
Well, maybe you could try a little harder... :)

You may have "a problem", but your opinion alone doesn't justify/qualify for asking for a thread to be locked.

No one's forcing you to read thread(s) that you dislike or don't agree with... I read much more than I post on this forum, but it never occurred to me to ask for a thread to be locked on the basis of it's content, if I don't like it, I dismiss it and ignore it, but I'll respect the member which started the thread.

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Well Im sorry then. I just get tired of "the best" questions that seem to be inexhaustible on the internet.
The "best" is very subjective and down to personal tastes, always has and always will be... of course we often disagree with the "best" things, but that how people judge things, material things, by being the best of this or the best of that, it's normal and will continue to creep in all over the internet and in real life, such is life... and don't get me started on who's the best drummer... we all know that the best drummers are the ones we love and admire, my best is not your best (or it might be, who knows) ... you'll gonna get more and more tired I guess, but you know that best than I do :)

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Asking which is the lightest or quietest pedal, or which has the most or least adjustments, would be easy questions to answer...
I agree, still not easy to answer the question, but you cannot argue if a pedal has all the adjustments possible know to the human race.

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Absolutely true...

I had several pedals during my years of drumming, but one model stayed with me for 28 years, the Tama Camco, both in single and double versions, back in the early 80's I felt it was the "best" ever pedal on the market (sorry best-o-rama) and I still have them, I love the feel I get from this simple design.

But despite my faithful patnership with the Tama Camco, I wanted a taste of the modern stuff, but which one to go for... so many to choose from, so after a long research, many trials, I opted for the Mapex Falcon, why? simply because it's a pedal that can "imitate" most of the modern pedals out there, it has so many options that you can actually replicate the feel of many other pedal brands, you can fit 3 different drive systems, chains, strap and direct drive, 2 different cams, round cam and accelerator cam, it has interchangeable weights which affect the balance of your pedal at the turn of a drum key, it has also all the other adjustments, independent beater angle, independent footboard angle, spring tension, etc, it's like buying many pedals in just one pedal... all to say that I managed to fit the best options to suit my playing, and if I wish to, I can change it to a completely different feel/pedal, not many pedals can do this...

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Don't even get me started on the Gibraltar Catapult!
Please Jon, elaborate if you don't mind... I always found that pedal mechanism very strange indeed, did you ever play it?
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Well, maybe you could try a little harder... :)

You may have "a problem", but your opinion alone doesn't justify/qualify for asking for a thread to be locked.

No one's forcing you to read thread(s) that you dislike or don't agree with... I read much more than I post on this forum, but it never occurred to me to ask for a thread to be locked on the basis of it's content, if I don't like it, I dismiss it and ignore it, but I'll respect the member which started the thread.



The "best" is very subjective and down to personal tastes, always has and always will be... of course we often disagree with the "best" things, but that how people judge things, material things, by being the best of this or the best of that, it's normal and will continue to creep in all over the internet and in real life, such is life... and don't get me started on who's the best drummer... we all know that the best drummers are the ones we love and admire, my best is not your best (or it might be, who knows) ... you'll gonna get more and more tired I guess, but you know that best than I do :)


I had several pedals during my years of drumming, but one model stayed with me for 28 years, the Tama Camco, both in single and double versions, back in the early 80's I felt it was the "best" ever pedal on the market (sorry best-o-rama) and I still have them, I love the feel I get from this simple design.
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Well I was just seeing if we could take it one step further and agree there is no best because there will always be something(or someone) better, given enough time. I often see threads that start with these "best" questions(that I dont respond to) end in aguements, much like this one. Because "best" implies opinion and people always will argue over that. I was just seeing if a moderator would maybe stop this unenlightening thread. I dont want to control this forum, I just want to help make it better.i.e. find more interesting stuff I can talk about. I feel my accumlation of knowledge about drumming is better than most and im just looking for like minded people. Ya know how musicians say you should play with musicians that are better than you? Well i say the same should go for drummers hanging with drummers. Im just trying to bring it up a notch without the ego. Although you can call me a jerk. :)

Id also lime to say the concept of best is mostly consumer/marketing driven that so many people buy into. Ive learned this about drumming. Gear can help make you comfortable (or do you have to be comfortable to have good gear?) But what YOU do within your instrument is far greater than"i play gretsch drums"
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Please Jon, elaborate if you don't mind... I always found that pedal mechanism very strange indeed, did you ever play it?
I have tried the Catapult, and it's fine - not great, but fine - for playing 1/4, maybe 8th notes at moderate tempos. The mechanics of the big arm being pushed, and hurling the beater towrds the head, creates a lot of unusual momentum. Just stomping out slow 1/4s is okay, but as soon as the speed framps up, and because the footboard isn't attached to the arm it's pushing, there's a literal disconnect between the footboard and the beater, so there's no real control.

You can tell something's going to be strange just by handling the pedal and seeing how it works, but the instant you put your foot on and try to play it, you'll know what I'm talking about.

It's amazing that the pedal was issued at all... it's like they did no testing and didn't ask any players if they thought it was a necessary/smart idea. I think it lasted a year, maybe two, then mercifully killed off. I though about buying one just because it's so ridiculous. If any stores still have them, they're going cheap.

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I'm sure this comment makes everyone feeling good about what they know about drumming... but not everyone is a seasoned player, many are still right at the beginning and still want to increase their knowledge, even if it's a little "boring" for the experienced players, this forum is for all members at all levels... as I said, pick and chose the threads that are of interest to you and ignore the other ones, simple...
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I wholeheartedly agree with you here :)

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...but as soon as the speed framps up, and because the footboard isn't attached to the arm it's pushing, there's a literal disconnect between the footboard and the beater, so there's no real control.
Thanks Jon :)

Well, speed and control is high on anybody's wish list, I guess it makes the design obsolete.

For those who are not familiar with the design, here's a pic of said catapult pedal...

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That Catapult kind of reminds me of the Gibraltar Cajon pedal they introduced but that one you don't play directly on. Its definitely "special, but not in the good way...
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I'm sure this comment makes everyone feeling good about what they know about drumming... but not everyone is a seasoned player, many are still right at the beginning and still want to increase their knowledge, even if it's a little "boring" for the experienced players, this forum is for all members at all levels... as I said, pick and chose the threads that are of interest to you and ignore the other ones, simple...


You entirely missed my point. My point was that Id like to share what I feel Ive gained to help others have a faster progression. But you're right, people learn a lot better when they teach themselves.
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Best might (and i have yet to meet one who own them) be Czarcie Kopyto. Talked through email & apperantly they only get built on order. Apart from engraving the footplate you can have other things customized aswell. (but of a base model to customize to your own needs).

From the looks they seem to have taken the axis concept & did their own thing with it. Their price is up there with the flagship pedals though.

Probably takes a while to get the full advantage of their customizations so only for those that know what they want.
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I've wondered this same question that the OP posed...so I bought a bunch:

Pearl Demon Drive
Axis (the AX-X i think)
Trick Pro1V
Tama Speed Cobra
dw9000
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dw3000
Pearl p900

I kept all of them and rotate them cause I like gear. My first realization is that you don;t have to spend the big bucks to get a great pedal...I could do everything I need with a p900 from Pearl for under $100. I will guarantee that a guy like McBrain who is a single pedal demon could use any of those pedals and get the job done.

To me, the Trick wins because of the ability to reach down, grab the tension knob and instantly change the spring tension...between songs if one wishes. The Trick also hits harder than the Demon Drive and Axis..all three of those are direct drive. The pearl demon drive is so smooth and quiet that it alarms me...

That said, I can go out and do a gig with any of them and lose nothing..I'm a single bass player and the most difficult thing I do is Immigrant Song for a point of reference...so I'm not blazing any trails here.

I like all of the pedals and can use them all. The dw9000 is a little smoother than the 7000 but not to the point of a big deal/

Me...I need every advantage I can get because I probably have the worst right foot in the history of drumming....it takes an excruciatingly long time to improve for me :-)
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I really like the Yamaha FP-9500C pedal.
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Pearl p900

I kept all of them and rotate them cause I like gear. My first realization is that you don;t have to spend the big bucks to get a great pedal...I could do everything I need with a p900 from Pearl for under $100. I will guarantee that a guy like McBrain who is a single pedal demon could use any of those pedals and get the job done.
I'm so glad you said this. I have the double version of this pedal, and I have no problems executing anything with it, from Bonham triplets to death metal doubles. It is incredibly responsive, extremely adjustable, and has a good solid feel to it. Just because it is affordable, it should in no way be passed up as not good enough.
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:42 AM
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I've wondered this same question that the OP posed...so I bought a bunch:

Pearl Demon Drive
Axis (the AX-X i think)
Trick Pro1V
Tama Speed Cobra
dw9000
dw7000
dw3000
Pearl p900

... My first realization is that you don;t have to spend the big bucks to get a great pedal....

Ha ha - another crazy guy with a boat load of pedals. I've got pedals laying around all over the place. Most are a lot less expensive than yours though.

The only problem with that realization (I had it too), is that it probably won't be believed by most people until experienced.
You can't really get a good feel for what you can do with a pedal in a short time in a store.
I guess you could sort of do it, by buying from a place that has a reasonably long return period.
The thing about the various pedals I have is that they all have strong and weak points, that can only be discovered with extended periods of use.
Also, no pedal is a substitute for practice.
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:01 AM
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Ha ha - another crazy guy with a boat load of pedals. I've got pedals laying around all over the place. Most are a lot less expensive than yours though.

The only problem with that realization (I had it too), is that it probably won't be believed by most people until experienced.
You can't really get a good feel for what you can do with a pedal in a short time in a store.
I guess you could sort of do it, by buying from a place that has a reasonably long return period.
The thing about the various pedals I have is that they all have strong and weak points, that can only be discovered with extended periods of use.
Also, no pedal is a substitute for practice.
Haha! Yea, im kinda nutty with the pedals, but I enjoy it. Agree, none of them will make someone a better player, still gotta put in the time.
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