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Old 12-09-2013, 12:42 AM
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Default Superkick v Emad

Probably a lot of discussion on this already but i thought i would comment on how i purchased a superkick and within a week switched back to an EMAD.. The kit i am using is a 90's Premier Genista with a 22" Bass drum. Man did the superkick kill it. If i try another head now it will be a Powerstroke but the EMAD is the best bass drum head out there imo without trying a powerstroke.. Am i to soon to ditch the Superkick or have others who have used both found out the same ?
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:34 AM
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I've always read that the Superkick series is the most dead you can get, and to get a normal sound you have to tune it up pretty high. It seems like, to me, there are more EMAD lovers out there than Superkick devotees. If you want to try another Aquarian like the PS3, try the Full Force series.
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:39 AM
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Default Re: Superkick v Emad

Emad 1 lover here. No foam ring, just that holder thingy. I don't bother trying anything else anymore because, like that's my tone dude. Superkicks are too muffled for me.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:01 PM
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Funny thing is I too loved the low end punch I got with my EMAD1, with the small foam on my Oak Customs but the damn plastic ring kept tearing. I switched to the PS3 not as low but a bit more attack to my ears. RE the SK. I used the SK2 on a set of Pearl Masters with nothing else inside the drum and it sounded great. Same SK2 on the Yamaha, dead as hell. I do have a SK1 installed on a Magstar 20" 8ply maple bass and it sounds great. Evans pillow just touching the reso.

Question, what is the difference between the SK1 and the SK10? They are both single ply.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:16 PM
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Funny thing is I too loved the low end punch I got with my EMAD1, with the small foam on my Oak Customs but the damn plastic ring kept tearing.
Just so you're aware, we resolved this issue with a design change to the PVC housing. I'd be happy to send you a replacement.

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Old 12-09-2013, 02:46 PM
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Tough to call, how are you tuning, muffling, and are you ported on your reso?
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Superkick v Emad

The Superkick head is super dead. If you want a thud without the "ud", it's fine. Single ply Emad for me all the way, & in just about any application too outside of higher jazz tunings on small bass drums. Sometimes I have no ring, sometimes the small ring. Depends on the gig. I typically use the small ring with higher tunings.


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Just so you're aware, we resolved this issue with a design change to the PVC housing. I'd be happy to send you a replacement.

Cheers!
Plastic ring splitting issue solved, but there's still a slight fit issue with the small foam ring. IMO, it's just a little too loose in the plastic holder. After a while, it can rattle slightly or sag at the top. It's minor, but it's there. As an engineer with a lot of experience in materials, I don't think it's primarily a size/tolerance issue, more of a material issue. A slightly more dense foam with better recovery characteristics could offer an improvement. Something similar to closed cell neoprene would be cool to try. Doubtless there's a small cost implication to that though.

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Old 12-09-2013, 06:03 PM
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Thinking of trying the EQ4? I do know a guy who loves his. I normally play all Remo but have switched my snares over to Evand reverse dot and can't be happier. Anyone use the EQ4? clear
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Old 12-12-2013, 06:21 AM
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Default Re: Superkick v Emad

I have tried the EQ4 bass head, and it really booms! I ran it pretty open, with just a small loose towel laying on bottom bass drumshell .. very nice bass head, similar to a Remo P3, but I thought it had much better low end than the P3 ( which sounds kinda "slappy" to my ears.

RE: Emad or Superkick, I can say from using both that youre $$ is best spent on the Evans.
The Superkicks sound tight and punchy behind the kit, but tend to really dissapear out front- unless the kick is micd, and then it sounds ok.
The Superkick 10 is really very dead. No overtones, it sounds like a dead thump to me. Didnt like it at all.

But the Emad has all that low end punch, but with tone and it projects still. Thats one thing Ive noticed, whether its the Emad 1 or 2 , and even the Emad Onyx . They all seem to work very well. You can use those open even, and they retain their punch and have tone.

I really DO agree that Evans needs to mabe thicken up the foam ring that they use. They need to do that so that it can stay in place a bit better over the usage of the head itself.
Not all , but have had a cpl in past kind of get loose and not stay in place as much. I always stay with the small ring, so when that happened, I siliconed the smaller ring in place. Worked ok but shouldnt have to do that for what a new bass head costs. Anyway, I most always use the Emad 2.

Its better than Aquarian, as when the Superkick gets a lot of use and the head vibrates?/ that cardboard ring inside the head tends to loosen up over time and comes off the head in places itself...had it happen many times. so yes, I prefer the Evans again over that.
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Old 12-12-2013, 06:38 AM
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I'm using an emad on a 22.18 gretsch renown and it is superb...once it was on there I never entertained the idea of using anything else.
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Old 12-12-2013, 06:39 AM
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Add me to the pile of people who find the Superkick super dead. EMAD or PS3 for me if I'm using a pre-muffled head.
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