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Old 04-30-2015, 01:55 PM
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Some random guys have said that, i dont believe in it myself though. I just want to hear opinions
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:22 PM
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:56 PM
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Maybe by people whose opinions aren't worth much.
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Old 04-30-2015, 04:06 PM
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Electronic drums themselves aren't embarrassing.

Drummers who play electronic drums are the embarrassing ones :P

While I'm kidding there, I would never gig them. They just really repel me in every way. Anyone who plays them has no problem with them, so good for them. I won't be attending their show though.
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When set up beside a full acoustic kit? Overwhelmingly yes.

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Old 04-30-2015, 05:23 PM
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Honestly speaking, I've been playing e-Kits since 1998 at home or in rehearsal studios. I gigged with them once (top end Roland TD20) and I would never do it again (this coming from an engineer) - too many tech problems, crappy or unpredictable sound through monitors and PA.

Live - it's acoustics for me forever.

Think of it this way, what can go wrong will go wrong no matter how meticulous you are or how much preparation you do.
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Old 04-30-2015, 05:29 PM
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I think it depends. Personally I wouldn't mind playing an e kit in a church setting. Set it and forget it.

Live? No.Freaking.Way. In the punk/pop punk community you get your ass laughed off the stage for something like that. Also, the other band I'm in has a certain look. WMP Slingerlands have that look, Roland/Yamaha/Alesis certainly do not.
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Old 04-30-2015, 06:08 PM
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They can be a great tool. Lots of living situations demand a drummer use an e-kit, to keep peace in the house/neighborhood. Lets face it. Acoustic drums are loud. As far as gigging, depends on the gig, and the type of music.
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Depends on who is playing them! :D
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:27 PM
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If you can make the music you're playing sound better for everyone with them, then that's all that matters. I've seen a couple guys pull it off. I've tried it several times and personally I can't. The crowd enjoyed it, but me and the band did not, it just wasn't as much fun for us. I prefer a mic'd acoustics/hybrid setup live. I agree with the notion of things that can go wrong. I can set up my triggered and mic'd A's in 15 minutes. my DIY TD15 takes me 30 minutes to move 10 feet across my jamroom lol. And then I have to readjust things. I love both A's an E's.

So to answer your question.... No, I dont find E's embarrassing. Especially if you convert an A to E. I do however find them a PITA for live in the club use.
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Old 04-30-2015, 09:12 PM
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I don't think practicing with them is embarrassing. It is perfectly logical, because your neighbors don't want to hear you all the time. However, if you gigged with them around here, things wouldn't go very well. Especially since our scene is mainly sludge.
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Billy Ray pretty much said it all :)

9 out of 10 acoustic drummers I hear should be embarrassed because they over play, rush their fills and play and too loud on drums that aren't tuned worth a shit. :)
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Old 05-01-2015, 03:56 AM
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It makes sound. It's a musical instrument. Why should I be embarrassed?
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:34 AM
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Billy Ray pretty much said it all :)

9 out of 10 acoustic drummers I hear should be embarrassed because they over play, rush their fills and play and too loud on drums that aren't tuned worth a shit. :)
You've clearly heard me it seems ;)
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Old 05-01-2015, 08:38 AM
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I eventually couldn't stand it anymore and ditched my V-drums, bought an entry level acoustic kit and installed triggers and mesh heads and run that kit through a TD-30. (This is at home.) I would never play an e-kit live. I don't play drums just to make a sound, I play drums because I love the drums themselves. The difference to me is like reall sex vs "realistic" sex doll.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:41 PM
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only when played in public.
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It depends on so many things.

As said before, the application is key. There are several genres that simply would not fit e-drums, and vice versa, in terms of image, sound, etc. Take punk or metal, for example. So much of the energy and feel of the music is in the physicality, the rawness, and the honesty. E-drums don't lend themselves to that sort of performance in most cases. That's not to say that some auxiliary pads or triggers would be out of place in some instances of that music, but yeah, if you show up to our local punk spot with an e-kit, you'll not do so well.

The kit itself is another concern. If you put a budget acoustic kit on a stage, with judicious miking and tuning you can still get a pretty decent sound. If you put a budget e-kit on stage, it's going to sound and perform like a budget e-kit.

The final variable is the player. A really good player with a lot of experience in making e-kits do what e-kits do best, can really create some interesting sonic layers and patterns that serve the song. An less experienced player, who approaches the kit like an acoustic kit, can't take full advantage of what a quality e-kit can do.

Embarrassing? I don't know about that, but I do know that as with guitars, pianos, etc. there's levels of appropriateness for the music, and specialization that results in musicality.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:56 PM
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I will admit to being a bit embarrassed to gig with an e kit. That is one of the reasons I built a conversion kit. Most people don't even realize it or give a damn.

However, being able to play rock and roll music in small venues with a volume control on the drums is worth all the shame :)
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:50 PM
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Some random guys have said that, i dont believe in it myself though. I just want to hear opinions
I notice you said random guys, not random pros.

Consider the source, you already know the answer. :)
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Old 05-04-2015, 05:53 AM
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Probably similar to a lot of Harley rider's attitudes about Japanese bikes -
"Ya - I'd probably take the thing for a ride, but I sure wouldn't let anyone see me do it."
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:12 AM
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I've done it before a few times and was not embarrassed by me playing the drums themselves. I was, however, slightly embarrassed by my performance on them as I could not get the right feel out of them and my playing suffered.

The only use I have for them, besides practicing in an environment where volume is an issue, is to augment my acoustic kit for special effects.
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:15 AM
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I had 2 A kits and a td20 set up in my basement... there were 2 types of people.. people who said.. Those things are stupid... and drummers who would sit down and have a ton of fun for a while playing with them and the settings.

They are amazing for practice, studio etc... I never did gig with them because I think in the death metal scene it would be the same thing.. "UNCOOL" to gig.
I've seen DM guys use a mesh kick triggered though.

its like penis envy, Buddy is jealous he doesn't have a sweet toy worth a few k.. so he says it sucks..

If you manage to get a good sound check, use VST"S and not the roland/yami sounds.. it will sound unreal live... I'd probably do it If I played a dff style of music in less sketchy venues.
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Depends on who is playing them! :D
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Of course, they are just a different tool to be used. So if you can afford the tool to use, then it shouldn't be embarrassing. I've gigged for years with an Octapad triggering a Roland R8 drum machine because the only space available for me was a 2x2 foot square on the tiny bandstands.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:31 AM
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Actually, space is something. I used to gig in a piano bar with a guy and could just barely squeeze my little bass drum, snare, hihat and a couple of cymbals mounted on the base drum. But I know I could fit nearly my whole dtx532k up there mounted off 2 cymbal stands and my hihat stand. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Saying that, my playing is for fun and there's nothing on the line by me trying something different.
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My opinion is they should not be considered embarrassing.

e-drums sound better than mic'd drums, which are not really acoustic anymore because they are mic'd.

A majority will say that e-drums look silly and real ones look cool, but I say that e-drums should not even try to look like acoustics. This whole e-kit marketing is going the wrong way with big non-functional drum shells, giant kick triggers, trap hardware etc.

The best e-kit format I've played was the TrapKAT. The layout made more sense than my custom Yamaha DTX7xx kit, but it needs a redesigned operating system and a corporate re-think to have mass appeal.

I am waiting for someone to bring out such a kit, but they just look more and more like big acoustic sets every year. That to me is more embarrassing.
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They sound embarrassing in a small bar with the Stadium reverb on 11.
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E-drums are not embarrassing, they're a great tool for creating sounds. However, playing them in a live situation they just don't seem to cut it.

My daughter plays in her middle school orchestra and one of the components of the orchestra is something they call "General Electric" (they are the Generals and the instruments are all electric). Anyway, the e-kit they use just sounds really bad. I'd rather hear an acoustic kit played with lighter sticks or rods any day than the e-kit that was thrown into the mix.
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All good points but if an acoustic kit has microphones, a P.A. and loudspeakers, and the audience is hearing it through speakers, then that is just the same as hearing an e-kit, except the sampling wasn't done in ideal conditions by the manufacturer.

Unless the acoustic kit is not mic'd at all and you are only hearing the "unplugged" sounds directly from the drums and cymbals that you see, it really isn't an acoustic kit.

Yes I know that Roland etc. use "synthesized" sound, but Yamaha and 2-Box give you the real recorded sample from a perfect drum or cymbal in a perfect studio. It will always sound better than your out of tune drum on a random stage with a microphone pointed at it.

I think most of the embarrassment here is unfounded.
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Old 05-15-2015, 12:04 AM
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This thread has branched off in several directions:

is the sound embarrassing,
are the looks embarrassing,
is the fit with the rest of the group embarrassing,
are they only embarrassing if not played well,
are they embarrassing if you're embarrassed by them (LOL)
and so on.

A pretty open-ended question.
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This reminds me of the question I posed to my band members who are often fumbling with crappy cords.
"Why don't you just use a wireless setup on your guitar so you don't have to deal with all those buzzy cords?"

"That would be embarrassing!"

Having never played live with e-drums, even though I bought the Simmons SDSV when they came out, I wouldn't play them live, but I'm now transforming my setup to mostly only record with e-drums.
I have a Megadrum setup, mesh pads from a Pearl Traveller set and Yamaha cymbals going into Addictive drums. I can record my parts and edit just about any parameter of the sound at any time after the fact.

It's too convenient not to use it, but the world is moving too fast for me to just accept my parts as-is and let the others trash my micro timing with their overdubs.
Now, I have the ability to overdub and fix my timing and generally give the impression of pulling off a great performance, when before, I had to live with my takes that everybody liked except for me.

Yet still, it's not and never will be the real deal. Even a hollow log is more of the real deal.

Conclusion = embarrassment, but valuable.
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It is a very interesting discussion and I have to draw a parallel with another similar discussion regarding motorcycles (in the US). Some people can only buy Harley Davidsons because of the image they wish to portray, and yet they know that they vibrate too much and wake up sleeping babies and cannot go fast around corners. They secretly wish they could buy a Yamaha, but they are embarrassed to go for it.

There now if that doesn't start a riot...

But it's a similar thing. Image versus common sense.
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I have to wonder how many here trying to rationalize e-kits vs real drums have actually played real drums. How about quality cymbals? Hell the cymbals alone make the comparison laughable.

I'm not trying to marginalize e-kit players; I am one. But I'm not delusional.

There is a beauty to the sound and feel of a quality drum kit that the best e-kit (which I own - a TD30) can't reproduce and definately can't replace. If someone doesn't get that, I don't see any way to convince you.
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I have to wonder how many here trying to rationalize e-kits vs real drums have actually played real drums. How about quality cymbals? Hell the cymbals alone make the comparison laughable.

I'm not trying to marginalize e-kit players; I am one. But I'm not delusional.

There is a beauty to the sound and feel of a quality drum kit that the best e-kit (which I own - a TD30) can't reproduce and definately can't replace. If someone doesn't get that, I don't see any way to convince you.
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True, there is no electronic substitute for a good cymbal heard acoustically direct from the brass to the ear. The decay is so long that no module has enough memory to reproduce the entire beautiful note. A great ride cymbal is like a Stradivarius of sound. But on the other hand that is not what you hear at a concert. You hear an electronic amplified representation of some part of it's sound. Also if you are on stage, near the drummer, you can feel the air move from a drum set, unless the bass player is too loud or something like that, and e-drums won't do that. But in a loud environment, there is little difference between E and A. Microphones are not always great, but drum sampling usually is.
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True, there is no electronic substitute for a good cymbal heard acoustically direct from the brass to the ear. The decay is so long that no module has enough memory to reproduce the entire beautiful note. A great ride cymbal is like a Stradivarius of sound. But on the other hand that is not what you hear at a concert. You hear an electronic amplified representation of some part of it's sound. Also if you are on stage, near the drummer, you can feel the air move from a drum set, unless the bass player is too loud or something like that, and e-drums won't do that. But in a loud environment, there is little difference between E and A. Microphones are not always great, but drum sampling usually is.
I couldn't disagree more. There is a reason drummers choose their drums and cymbals carefully. You aren't somehow substituting the original sound with a representative "miked" sound. You are simply amplifying the original sound and that original sound matters a lot. It's not the amplification itself that determines the type of sound, it's the EQ, compression, etc.

Now, an e-kit will always sound clear. But that doesn't translate to sounding more like drums than drums in a loud environment.

Then there's the drummer's perspective. I mean the drumming itself. Mics and PAs be damned, I want drums and cymbals at the ends of my flailing sticks. There's more to the joy of drumming than simply producing a sound. What I'm banging on matters!
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Then there's the drummer's perspective. I mean the drumming itself. Mics and PAs be damned, I want drums and cymbals at the ends of my flailing sticks. There's more to the joy of drumming than simply producing a sound. What I'm banging on matters!
I agree, but maybe it's what you're used to?

Having said that I'll contradict myself and say that years ago when trying out a TD20 in a shop, I'm not sure what was going on, but it was the most comfortable and enjoyable pedal/bass drum contact I've felt. It felt so easy and comfortable to play that it felt like cheating. I guess someone really knew how to set up drums and pedals at the time or they lucked it.
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The concept designs of e-drums is usually based on a similar comparison to a cardboard cutout of the ass end of a cow to pull the ol' switcharoo on a horny bull.

There is no need for electronic drums to look at all like acoustic drums. It's for not needing to write a new manual of arms for it. E-cymbals don't need to move, but they do in order for the cross platform to conform to the same feel as acoustic drums.

Electric guitars still work as acoustic instruments.
E-drums will always be a bit embarrassing live, but like listening to the movie Avatar without seeing it, you won't be able to tell it's phony.

My acoustic drums have never yelled "hey!" as in "Hey! I've been duped!"
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Electronic drums are at their best when they sound like real drums. I don't get into all the novelty, world, and electronic sounds that fill up the RAM in the modules because I'm just a drummer.

It is a reasonable argument to say that acoustic drum sets cannot be 100% replicated by triggers and samples and VSTs etc. But still, the question was, are electronic drums embarrassing? There is no logical reason they should be embarrassing.

For me the best things about e-drums are the volume control, and the headphone socket. But I think they can be used live without embarrassment.

On this electronic drums forum, we see a lot of drummers writing about how bad the whole e-drumming concept is, but they are here, reading and writing about them, so somewhere in there they must understand the value of them.
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Once you get into the world of VSTs/samples, and learn to adjust your playing slightly, you can get great drum tracks using e-drums.

I could never get this good of a drum sound in my house, but I was able to with an e-kit and samples: http://youtu.be/mORjJjNWNWo

I'll agree with others about them being kinda goofy for most live situations, though.
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