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Old 10-21-2013, 04:11 PM
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This guy is asking $800. The ad says "1961-62, some wear and tear all hardware is good some extra holes." Does that seem like a decent price?






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Old 10-21-2013, 04:17 PM
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extra holes on the bass may have been from a rail consolette? it has a bass mount for a cymbal too. that's very old, does it include a snare? not sure , was blue sparkle a 61-62 color or is it a re-wrap?
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:06 PM
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No snare. According to vintagedrumguide.com Sparkling Blue Pearl was a color in 61-62...
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:13 PM
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for me, I would say that's a fair price. Knowing you still need hardware/snare etc.
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:30 PM
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Where I live, YES. I'd buy it. Nice kit.
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:58 PM
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Nice kit, does look like a rail mount was installed originally, also extra holes near the tom mount. Maybe there was a different mount there as well..These kits are quite unique ,not a collectors , so You can do better than 800.00
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:12 PM
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That's a fair price. If blue sparkle is your thing, go for it!
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:13 PM
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Both the bass and 13" tom have been altered.The factory mount on the 13" tom, would have been a diamond plate,with a rail consolete on the bass with a spade/clip type mount for the mounted tom.Thats why there's 4 factory holes in the tom and bass drum.

The Keystone badge should be pre serial number, on the bass/13"tom/floor tom and there should be a date stamp in all of the drums.The 12" tom was added later,after the bass was drilled for the double tom mount.

I'm pretty sure the interior of the bass at least ,is not resocoated(white paint).

Red felt baseball bat mufflers in the 13 and 16 floor tom...if they came as a set,indicated pre 65/ 66.

The cymbal L arm bracket also indicates a set that was a 4 piece.The 5 piece Hollywood kit at that time,would not have a cymbal mounting bracket on the bass drum,and would have come with 2-12" toms,and not a 12/13.

The bass drum could have come with telescoping OR fold out spurs.

The blue sparkle bass drum hoop inserts are missing also.

I think 800 is a bit high ,considering that the 13" tom and the bass drum have been altered,and the 12" tom added later with a non factory double tom mount.

I'd offer 600,but be ready to pay 650-700.

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Old 10-21-2013, 07:49 PM
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I'd offer 600,but be ready to pay 650-700.
That's pretty much what I was thinking. I talked to the guy earlier...he did mention that the 12" tom is a 70s b/o badge, but the rest are keystone with no serial #. Going to take a look at them after work, thanks for all the great advice!!!
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:54 PM
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That 12'' was definitely a lot later - it has the larger lugs, it's probably from 73-75...
$800 seems high to me too...
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:23 PM
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Both the bass and 13" tom have been altered.The factory mount on the 13" tom, would have been a diamond plate,with a rail consolete on the bass with a spade/clip type mount for the mounted tom.Thats why there's 4 factory holes in the tom and bass drum.

The Keystone badge should be pre serial number, on the bass/13"tom/floor tom and there should be a date stamp in all of the drums.The 12" tom was added later,after the bass was drilled for the double tom mount.

I'm pretty sure the interior of the bass at least ,is not resocoated(white paint).

Red felt baseball bat mufflers in the 13 and 16 floor tom...if they came as a set,indicated pre 65/ 66.

The cymbal L arm bracket also indicates a set that was a 4 piece.The 5 piece Hollywood kit at that time,would not have a cymbal mounting bracket on the bass drum,and would have come with 2-12" toms,and not a 12/13.

The bass drum could have come with telescoping OR fold out spurs.

The blue sparkle bass drum hoop inserts are missing also.

I think 800 is a bit high ,considering that the 13" tom and the bass drum have been altered,and the 12" tom added later with a non factory double tom mount.

I'd offer 600,but be ready to pay 650-700.

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My first thought was $600-700. The seller doesn't seem firm so offering $100 less isn't insulting. The mods aren't too bad and you can look for original consolette. Love the blue wrap. I'd go for it.
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:03 AM
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Picked em up for $700! They look and sound great...thanks again for the advice!
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:19 PM
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Picked em up for $700! They look and sound great...thanks again for the advice!
Good score and good luck with them! I don't see very many for sale that year despite what a lot of people seem to think. Its a players kit not a collector so have fun with them.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:42 PM
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Picked em up for $700! They look and sound great...thanks again for the advice!
Thats a fair price.Beautiful early 60's mahogany/poplar/mahogany shells work well with the early 70's maple/poplar/maple shells.Blue sparkle was always a favorite.

Best of luck and play em' till your hands bleed..

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Old 10-22-2013, 03:43 PM
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I just love to sit back, relax and read a good Steve analysis...

My first thought was $600-700. The seller doesn't seem firm so offering $100 less isn't insulting. The mods aren't too bad and you can look for original consolette. Love the blue wrap. I'd go for it.
Thanks Larry,just trying to help.I may even get good at this!:)

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Old 10-22-2013, 04:04 PM
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Great news. Congrats. You'll never sell those I'll bet. Their sound is the equivalent of drinking one of these.
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:53 PM
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Picked em up for $700! They look and sound great...thanks again for the advice!
Congrats on the Luddies! Those are great drums, enjoy!
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:23 PM
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Good score and good luck with them! I don't see very many for sale that year despite what a lot of people seem to think. Its a players kit not a collector so have fun with them.
I've been keeping an eye out on Craigslist and all the local stores for a nice vintage players kit (ideally Ludwig) for several months now and I've been surprised how few have popped up. I'm in a decent sized city too. I looked at a few kits but they were either too beat up, or way overpriced. I'm really glad I held out for these!
The guy I bought them from was really knowledgeable and he took great care of them. He's selling several vintage kits because he's moving out of the country. He's got a really nice Rogers kit for sale too: http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/msg/4143729202.html
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:04 AM
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Nice score on the vint Lud's :)
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:37 AM
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I've been keeping an eye out on Craigslist and all the local stores for a nice vintage players kit (ideally Ludwig) ......
You did real good with those. Congrats.
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:07 AM
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Nice kit. I have a '66 Gold Sparkle kit, pretty much same situation when I bought them. I also looked for quite a while before I bought. I paid $800 for mine, but didn't want to go up to and over $1000 like you see for some of them (and some way over $1000). I looked for the best value I could get in this price range. I have coated Ambassador over clear Ambassador on the toms and PS3 on the kick, for both batter and reso with no additional muffling. They play like a dream with that head config. Enjoy!
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:21 AM
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Nice pick up, enjoy the kit!!
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