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Old 06-24-2013, 03:56 PM
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Default Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar

I'm in the market for a full set of lightweight flat-base hardware (2 straight stands, hi-hat stand, and snare stand) and I'm not real sure which way to go.

I'm looking at the DW 6000 series, Ludwig Atlas Classic series, and the Gibraltar stuff, but I'm not real sure which way to go without putting my hands on them. Of course, I can't find any of this locally at the moment (but I'm still looking.)

Does anyone have thoughts on these three options? Of course, I'm after lightweight, but also something that will last a while and not wear out quickly.

Any opinions are welcome!

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PS - I own a combination of single-braced Yamaha stands now and love them (600 and 700 series.) They are light and work well. I'm just looking for another set and want to try something different.
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Old 06-24-2013, 05:15 PM
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From what I've seen, the Gibraltar ones are the lightest. I have 3 of the flat stands in my set up.

I almost went with the Ludwig ones--just to match the kit--but Gibraltar was easier to find and matched the rest of my gear. I'm a little OCD in that respect.

I didn't even consider the DW ones because I believe they are over-built and over-priced, as most of DW stuff is.

The Ludwigs may be the most versatile since they can overlap each other. But the Gibraltar ones are probably the lightest and have held up to a couple years of gigging.
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From what I've seen, the Gibraltar ones are the lightest. I have 3 of the flat stands in my set up.

I almost went with the Ludwig ones--just to match the kit--but Gibraltar was easier to find and matched the rest of my gear. I'm a little OCD in that respect.

I didn't even consider the DW ones because I believe they are over-built and over-priced, as most of DW stuff is.

The Ludwigs may be the most versatile since they can overlap each other. But the Gibraltar ones are probably the lightest and have held up to a couple years of gigging.
Thank you very much for the feedback! The Gibraltar stands are quite a bit cheaper too. I really don't need anything really heavy duty, as I'm not really a wild player (even though I do play rock.)

Do you happen to have the flat-base Gibraltar snare and hi-hat stands too? I see they came out with a new version of the hi-hat stand and I'm curious if the previous version had issues or what.
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Thank you very much for the feedback! The Gibraltar stands are quite a bit cheaper too. I really don't need anything really heavy duty, as I'm not really a wild player (even though I do play rock.)

Do you happen to have the flat-base Gibraltar snare and hi-hat stands too? I see they came out with a new version of the hi-hat stand and I'm curious if the previous version had issues or what.
No, I actually don't have a complete flat-base set.

I have a standard hi-hat stand, the 5607, along with the 9606 Ultra-Adjust snare stand.

I'm not sure what issues the flat hi-hat stand may have had...or has. Stability, maybe?
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No, I actually don't have a complete flat-base set.

I have a standard hi-hat stand, the 5607, along with the 9606 Ultra-Adjust snare stand.

I'm not sure what issues the flat hi-hat stand may have had...or has. Stability, maybe?
I guess I actually only saw a single negative review of the Gibraltar flat-base hi-hat stand, but then noticed right away they had a new version. I kinda put those together to say there was something wrong with the old version, but that's obviously not necessarily true.

I'm kinda OCD about my hardware matching too, which is why I have all Yamaha stuff at the moment. The Yamaha stuff kicks butt and I have no intention of replacing it, but I want another full set to keep in my truck for rehearsals and gigs.

The Gibraltar stuff sure is priced right compared to the others.

Gibraltar also has a telescoping hi-hat stand that interests me alot.

Is the 5607 hi-hat stand working out well for you? Is it light and sturdy enough for a not-so-hard hitter like myself?
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:51 PM
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I have been gigging the Gibraltar flat base stuff since I got back stateside. If you have seen some of my videos I really hit hard and no issues. I also have a DW flush base stand.

What I prefer about the Gibraltar stands is the portion which holds the cymbal. The DW limited the amount of freedom my cymbals could move. So I removed that part from my DW stand and replaced it with the Gibraltar style.

The hi hat stand from the Gibraltar setup is great and offers good response and stability. I also use the snare stand from the Gibraltar setup to hold my 12" rack tom. My only complaint with the stands are with the straight tube stand. I would prefer to have the boom stands only because they can serve as both a straight or boom stand.
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I use the Gibraltar flat hardware and it is lightweight and perfectly stable. Wholly recommended
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Hey Sarge.
I have a full set of the Ludwig Atlas Classic flat based stands, and a full set of the Gibraltar flat based stands, both including hi hat stands. I have a couple of the DW flat based stands too. Guess I a pretty flat based guy. :)

I say you can't go wrong with any of it, it's all good.
I have had the Gibby hi hat stand for quite a while and I must have the 'newer one' because I never understood why others had issues with it.
Here's a few of my observations :

- Yes the DW stands are pricier and a bit heavier...but well done as usual. If you like the DW cymbal tilter lever thingy, then these are for you.

- The Ludwig stands have the reversible rubber feet so you can 'weave' the legs on top of each other. Can't say that I had a problem with the normal rubber feet, and in fact I paid $5 for the normal rubber feet so that the hi hat stand would fold up more compactly.

- I had to get out my tube cutter and cut down the upper tube on my Ludwig hi hat stand; it was too tall and wouldn't go down to a comfortable height. I determined that this was a flaw in mine with the help of another member here on Drumerworld....he made some careful measurements. I could have returned mine but my local store had no more stock so I opted to fix it myself. I also opted for a shorter (DW actually) clutch rod.

- The wing nuts on the top of some of my Ludwig cymbal stands don't thread very smoothly. Small point I know, just noticed this.

- The Gibraltar stands are the lightest of the bunch, (not by much)...but I have had one (of three) Gibraltar cymbal stand starting to show premature signs of wear. Dents, and a very small bit of rust from some chrome pitting. Overall, the chroming is probably best on the Ludwigs.

- I like that the Gibraltar cymbal stands' cymbal tilter can be 'offset' on the left or right of the center post. Kinda hard to explain, look at it closely.

All three cymbal stands have gear-less infinite tilters.

I had the Ludwig Atlas Classic bass drum pedal as well - the one with no base plate - but returned it 'cause I didn't like the feel so much and I despise pedals that make you use a drum key to attach them to the hoop.

Again, I don't think there is a wrong choice here. I pointed out a few small things about each because all three brands are very similar in quality and function....you can find the DW stuff for a good price if you look hard enough. Ultimately, the small things that appeal to you will be what will sway you in a particular direction.

Let us know which way you go and why!

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Have all three brands in FB gear.

For the Hi Hat stand, Ludwig Atlas hands down. Sturdy, comfortable, doesn't wobble or sway. Love it.

DW fb's other than their hat stand is GREAT. Going on 5+ years, nothing but great use.
Memory locks work great on these too. Tilter is same as on the heavier stands.

Gibraltar's snare, and cymbal stands are really nice. Snare stand might still have the plastic tightener for the basket, but it's a toothless basket, so that kinda makes up for it. Brake Tilter works great. Felts and the cymbal sleeve are sturdy, & the wing nuts are comfortable, and totally smooth working.

Ludwig's Atlas FB stuff is sturdy as heck, and everything is easily adjustable and smooth on what I have (full set, straight and booms, hat, snare). The wing nuts are really smooth, and comfortable in my hands. The FB snare stand works great for a tom, doesn't choke it.
Tilter works like a charm.

The feet are nice for the overlapping feature, but I have all mine "up", which brings them over any cords that are always on the floor when setting up. It's a very convenient feature.

One other thing about the Ludwig Atlas stuff is, it's being branched off into components now too. That may, or may not apply to you, but with gear, you never know what might strike your fancy down the road, as far as the OCD "matching" of gear most of us have.

Gibraltar, Ludwig DW, it's all good sturdy stuff, and other than the DW 6000 hat stand which sucks (IMO), you wouldn't go wrong with any of it. Just stay away from the DW hat stand.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:03 AM
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When I was checking out the flat based cymbal stand hardware a few months ago, I could only check the DW and Ludwig gear. There was only about a dollar or two difference between both their boom stands and their straight stands. I wish I could have molded the features from both companies into one.

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Yeah, the feet on DW, & add the memory locks to the Ludwig....

I can buy those feet for my DW stuff, but, I haven't coughed up the dough for 4 or 5 stands worth... They do work great though.
Gibraltar's 7/8 memory locks work (and fit right), but there isn't one to fit the top tube on the straight stand for the Ludwig. Some people don't care, but I WANT memory locks on my stands.

Ludwig's tilter is smooth, and being able to move it around is cool when the height is just right, but having the DW tilter "in line" with the tube is something I like better, and I like the space adjustment thing. I like some swing, but I don't like the cymbal to flop around. I switched out the top felt on the Ludwig stands and used a thicker one to solve that issue, but, some people don't even use felts, or don't mind a lot of swing in cymbals.

No product is perfect or has "everything", so 'ya just fiddle around to make it work the way you want.

The Ludwig stands are about a year old, the DW's are 4-5 years old, and both are great for my use--and are light!
Oh, and a 24" cymbal used to crash A LOT, and no worries from either brand :-)
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I've actually owned all three at one time (the Ludwig's just recently) and they're all good - if you like that sort of thing. The hi-hats all leave something to be desired because the physics of a tripod-based stand is just more stable than a flat-based one.

In fact, you may recall why I'm no longer interested in the flat-based scene: a stand was easily knocked over with a cymbal on it (thankfully, on grass). I have discovered that the tripod is the way to go, and I found that in the lightest Yamaha 600-series stands. And these Yamaha's are basically as light as the flat-based stuff, but you get the added stability of the tripod.

If I were in situations where my stuff never moved around, I'd be all over the flat-based stuff. But when you set up in one area, then move it to another area, to be moved back after you're done playing, the stability becomes tantamount.
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I have used Gibraltar Flat Base Hardware for years and I have never had an issue.
Gibraltar has recently improved their Flat Base Hi-Hat stand. (check it out on YouTube)
I have never even come close to having a cymbal stand topple over as Bo stated.
The stand bases have double set screws to prevent them from loosening. (I don't even use the extra safety screws to double lock my stand bases)
The stand bases form a wide stance that is sturdy and reliable.
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Old 06-25-2013, 06:36 AM
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I have used Gibraltar Flat Base Hardware for years and I have never had an issue.
Gibraltar has recently improved their Flat Base Hi-Hat stand. (check it out on YouTube)
I have never even come close to having a cymbal stand topple over as Bo stated.
The stand bases have double set screws to prevent them from loosening. (I don't even use the extra safety screws to double lock my stand bases)
The stand bases form a wide stance that is sturdy and reliable.
Well to be fair, I'm sure there is nothing wrong with flat based cymbal stands. I just have people who pick my stuff up and move it, and then other people bump into it (I work with high school kids, who knew?). So even with the wide stance of the Ludwig classic stuff, my cymbal went down.

On the other hand, when I did the next gig with the Yamaha 600 stuff, when a kid bumped into my stuff (while I was playing) my cymbals didn't move. The tripod base eliminates the "top heavy" situation, I think.

I liked the simplicity of the DW and Gibraltar ones. The Ludwig has this cymbal tilter that can go anywhere and I didn't like having that much adjustability. In fact, there was a couple of times I smashed my finger because I wasn't prepared for the tilter to go in an unexpected direction ;)
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I have to agree with Bo. I own 2 Gibraltar flat base stands, 1 straight and 1 boom. I have had the same issues with tipping on the boom stand when I tried to put my ride over my bass drum. 20" El Sabor ride too, nothing heavy. I remedied this by reducing the length of the boom arm and positioning it parallel with one of the legs. I have had no such issues with the straight stand although I don't gig anywhere near as much as Bo does.

I do love the reduced weight. I had been using a Tama road pro that I got off Craigslist and the weight was quite the pain in the posterior.

I'm actually thinking of switching to some single braced Yamaha stuff so hit me up if you're looking to trade for some gear.
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I use the Gibraltar fb straight stands, three of them, and the hi-hat stand. I haven't heard of any new version of it but i bought mine a year ago.

All the stands are very sturdy, I mount a 12"tom off of one of them with no issues (just align one leg with the tom) and they work well. I gig them every week. The hi-hat stand works great too. I'm gonna order the snare stand soon too. The hardware is relatively light, though I was hoping they would be even lighter.
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As Cleforo and others have stated, Make sure that the load is placed over a leg when setting the cymbal stands. I positioned the stand legs under the load of the boom arm for my ride cymbal. I also counterbalanced the weight of the ride by adding a clamp type cymbal mount to the boom stand for a crash. That adds even more stability to the boom stand. Use design to your advantage when setting up your kit.
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Ok I need that new Gibraltar hi hat stand! I thought the old one was cool but the new one looks sweet!!
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Hey Sarge.
I have a full set of the Ludwig Atlas Classic flat based stands, and a full set of the Gibraltar flat based stands, both including hi hat stands. I have a couple of the DW flat based stands too. Guess I a pretty flat based guy. :)

I say you can't go wrong with any of it, it's all good.
I have had the Gibby hi hat stand for quite a while and I must have the 'newer one' because I never understood why others had issues with it.
Here's a few of my observations :

- Yes the DW stands are pricier and a bit heavier...but well done as usual. If you like the DW cymbal tilter lever thingy, then these are for you.

- The Ludwig stands have the reversible rubber feet so you can 'weave' the legs on top of each other. Can't say that I had a problem with the normal rubber feet, and in fact I paid $5 for the normal rubber feet so that the hi hat stand would fold up more compactly.

- I had to get out my tube cutter and cut down the upper tube on my Ludwig hi hat stand; it was too tall and wouldn't go down to a comfortable height. I determined that this was a flaw in mine with the help of another member here on Drumerworld....he made some careful measurements. I could have returned mine but my local store had no more stock so I opted to fix it myself. I also opted for a shorter (DW actually) clutch rod.

- The wing nuts on the top of some of my Ludwig cymbal stands don't thread very smoothly. Small point I know, just noticed this.

- The Gibraltar stands are the lightest of the bunch, (not by much)...but I have had one (of three) Gibraltar cymbal stand starting to show premature signs of wear. Dents, and a very small bit of rust from some chrome pitting. Overall, the chroming is probably best on the Ludwigs.

- I like that the Gibraltar cymbal stands' cymbal tilter can be 'offset' on the left or right of the center post. Kinda hard to explain, look at it closely.

All three cymbal stands have gear-less infinite tilters.

I had the Ludwig Atlas Classic bass drum pedal as well - the one with no base plate - but returned it 'cause I didn't like the feel so much and I despise pedals that make you use a drum key to attach them to the hoop.

Again, I don't think there is a wrong choice here. I pointed out a few small things about each because all three brands are very similar in quality and function....you can find the DW stuff for a good price if you look hard enough. Ultimately, the small things that appeal to you will be what will sway you in a particular direction.

Let us know which way you go and why!

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...One other thing about the Ludwig Atlas stuff is, it's being branched off into components now too. That may, or may not apply to you, but with gear, you never know what might strike your fancy down the road, as far as the OCD "matching" of gear most of us have...
Hey Karl, great stuff as usual.

What do you mean by that sentence above exactly?
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As Cleforo and others have stated, Make sure that the load is placed over a leg when setting the cymbal stands. I positioned the stand legs under the load of the boom arm for my ride cymbal. I also counterbalanced the weight of the ride by adding a clamp type cymbal mount to the boom stand for a crash. That adds even more stability to the boom stand. Use design to your advantage when setting up your kit.
Your cymbal clamp off of your ride cymbal stand is genious! If I do this I can get rid of a stand all together. Has anyone out there hung a 12" tom off of one of these flat base stands? I did one gig with a 10" tom but I am not sure if one could handle the weight.
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...I have discovered that the tripod is the way to go, and I found that in the lightest Yamaha 600-series stands. And these Yamaha's are basically as light as the flat-based stuff, but you get the added stability of the tripod...
I currently have two Yamaha 700-series boom stands, two 600-series straight stands, and two 700-series hi-hat stands. I agree that they work perfectly for a light sturdy setup! I like them alot, actually and have zero complaints.

I just want another full setup to keep in the car at all times and was wanting something different. I do like the look of the flat-base stands and there's always a chance that whatever I buy will end up staying home, while the Yamaha stuff goes out.

Plus, I just like new gear and am pretty satisfied with my drums, cymbals, and pedals at the moment. Need something else to want. ha ha
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Your cymbal clamp off of your ride cymbal stand is genious! If I do this I can get rid of a stand all together. Has anyone out there hung a 12" tom off of one of these flat base stands? I did one gig with a 10" tom but I am not sure if one could handle the weight.
I do something similar. I use a boom stand for the ride, then mount a DW Puppy Bone on the end of the boom opposite the ride cymbal. I use that for a crash and it's VERY convenient! I can get by with only a straight stand for my left side crash and a boom stand with puppy bone for my ride and right side crash.

I kinda want to go with three straight stands on this new setup, though.

I'll try to find a pic.

EDIT - Can't seem to find a pic at the moment. Also, the boom arm on the Yamaha stuff is smooth and I had to use a Dremel to grind up a spot for the Puppy Bone to grab. Works great!

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I think I can picture what you are saying. I have attached a picture and circled the area in question. I could see by using a puppy bone I might be able to clamp onto the other end of the boom circled and put a crash up there.
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I think I can picture what you are saying. I have attached a picture and circled the area in question. I could see by using a puppy bone I might be able to clamp onto the other end of the boom circled and put a crash up there.
Yeah, that's what I do! The Puppy Bone isn't very high, so you have to like your cymbals pretty low. It won't work for everyone. I wish it was maybe a few inches longer, but it does work great.

I should have pics, but I can't seem to find any.
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Found some pics!

1 is with the longer DW arm and clamp and the other is with the Puppy Bone.
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I've used the DW's and more recently the Ludwig Atlas flat-based stands -- they're both great... I will say I think the Ludwig models have been a little more durable long term. The DW's don't seem to take the abuse as well - though they maybe a tiny bit lighter in weight.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:49 PM
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The "branching out" is the accessories they have, like the 2 different cymbal arms that attach to ft legs, the bass drum mounted ride cymbal attachment. Stuff like that. I saw some stuff at the Chicago show in May. Some is out, some is available in July, so it's coming up.
They may show pics in the Atlas section on the Ludwig site.

I only had a couple Gibraltar FB straights, and the snare stand, and they're sturdy.
I actually just used the Gib FB straight stands to make other things out of them, so I never used them as a stand. The snare stand was used as a snare stand.

Like I said, I use my 24 as a crash ride, it's not super low and I crash it a lot. It never moves on either the Ludwig or DW stand.
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The "branching out" is the accessories they have, like the 2 different cymbal arms that attach to ft legs, the bass drum mounted ride cymbal attachment. Stuff like that. I saw some stuff at the Chicago show in May. Some is out, some is available in July, so it's coming up.

They may show pics in the Atlas section on the Ludwig site.
The Ludwig site seems pretty slow to be updated. For example, the NEW Keystone line and Atlas mounts aren't on it. I haven't read anything yet about the stuff you mentioned. I'll have to look around to get an idea about that stuff!

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SgtThump - Thanks for posting the great pictures. I will try out some of those ideas.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:41 AM
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Two Ludwig accessories are in the catalog called Aerodyne Scissor Lifts, long and short.
Two tilter clamps also.
The 2013 catalog is downloadable (wouldn't attach) from the Ludwig site.

Pics of the new Gull Wing style legs would probably be on their Facebook page, along with the new rail mount deal.
The spurs are pretty dang cool, sort of look like the Dunnett/Ayotte spurs with that bullet looking end. The Ludwig spurs will adjust to lift the front of the drum up a LOT.

All this stuff mounts off the Atlas tom/leg mount. Kevin Packard said those mounts would be available in July.

They also had a BD ride cymbal mount that was (if I can explain it right) one of those boom arm holding pieces (the round thing the boom arm goes in), attached a tube with a height adjustment, then the top section of a straight tilter. Basically the middle, and top sections of the straight FB stand with a clamp at the bottom to clamp onto any 1/2" rod coming out of the Atlas tom mount.

Sorry to derail the Flat Base topic...

Airborne, is that boom stand wobbly with the cymbal arm out that far?

I use my FB's just as straights, not sure I'd trust a 24 on a FB boom.
When we play outdoor gigs, I bring the lighter tubed DW stands. They are lighter than the regular DW stands, but just as sturdy.
Awesome Sonor kit BTW!

Edit...forget the blah blah on the explanation I gave... here's a video! The stuff I was talking about is quick in the beginning, but at 58 seconds it shows the stuff pretty close up. The Supralite 6.5 was my favorite sounding snare of the show!
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:04 AM
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Dang Neal, that was very helpful! Thanks man!
Hey man, you're welcome.
Mad props to Karl on this subject as well, he's the resident hardware mad scientist here on DW.

Given your setup, (love the green sparkle Ludwigs) I think I'll agree with Karl - and say you have no choice but to get the Ludwig Atlas Classic set.
Do yourself a favor and order some of the 'normal' smaller rubber feet, they will come in handy, especially for the hi-hat stand.

Good luck!
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:04 PM
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So..... Check it out.

I ended up finding a local store that had some Atlas Classic hardware in stock. The short story is that they let me open the boxes and check everything out before purchasing. I ended up working a deal with them (just a few bucks off, nothing killer) for the hi-hat stand, straight cymbal stand, boom cymbal stand, and snare stand.

I bought the package and went straight to rehearsal. I used the stands at rehearsal, but that's the only time I've spent with them so far.

A few VERY early observations are:

- The snare stand is much more heavy-duty than I expected. It almost doesn't fit in with the "Classic" term IMO.
- The legs on the snare stand made it impossible to use my double-pedal, which kinda stinks. I rarely use a double, but had it with me last night. I still need to try different things to see if I can make this work.
- The big rubber feet make the stands not fold up as nicely and they seem kinda silly to me, but I get how they're useful to some/most folks.
- The stands are as light as I hoped, so that's great!
- The hi-hat stand feels very nice under my foot for whatever reason. I really enjoyed playing on it!
- My snare (Acrolite Reissue) sounds better than ever on this snare stand. Even the bass player noticed it sounded better. Crazy!
- The boom stand is almost the same weight as the straight stand (not using a scale). It seems a little heavier, but it's hardly noticeable. I liked that!

They are quality stands and I'm happy I got them! Unfortunately for me, I won't really get much time with them until this weekend, since I have things going on every night this week. But so far, I'm digging them!

Thanks everyone!
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:34 PM
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Also, I've been using a baseball bat bag for my lightweight stuff and the handle ripped right after getting the Ludwig stands last night. LOL

I made a quick stop to Lowes to see if they had any bags that would work. I wasn't sure if the 20" tool bag would work, but it did and it's FANTASTIC! These bags are made for carrying really heavy tools and I gotta say it's built better than any hardware or even military bag I've owned. Everything is reinforced through the roof and things fit perfectly! (see pic)

Also, and I find this curious, notice how the hi-hat stand I just bought has different feet than the rest of the Atlas Classic stands I bought. The pics I've seen always show the hi-hat stand with the big feet, but mine has smaller feet. Maybe this is an early one or something? I may email Ludwig to find out.

Has anyone else seen that before?
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Doesn't appear to be a way to email Ludwig support directly, which absolutely sucks and is pretty much ridiculous in the year 2013.

Also, I don't see any other stand on the Ludwig site that has the feet that came on my hi-hat stand (from the pro, classic, or standard lines.) I wonder what that's all about?

EDIT - Page 5 of the 2013 Ludwig Catalog that Bermuda linked to above shows a Blue/Olive Oyster wrap kit with the Atlas Classic hi-hat stand with these feet, but that's the only pic I've seen. http://www.ludwig-drums.com/literatu...%20Catalog.pdf
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:36 AM
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Chris;

Congrats, that's awesome !! The stands are great and the bag is even better!
I'm gonna go get me a bag just like that at my local Home Depot for my Ludwig FB stands.

See folks, you get back what you put in on this site...

Regarding your hihat stand feet, Ludwig started using the smaller feet just on this stand because it doesn't fold up very nicely or compactly with the larger reversible feet. Try swapping yours, you'll see what I mean.

See my post #32 above. I actually bought the smaller feet for mine from my dealer , $5.

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Chris;

Congrats, that's awesome !! The stands are great and the bag is even better!
I'm gonna go get me a bag just like that at my local Home Depot for my Ludwig FB stands.

See folks, you get back what you put in on this site...

Regarding your hihat stand feet, Ludwig started using the smaller feet just on this stand because it doesn't fold up very nicely or compactly with the larger reversible feet. Try swapping yours, you'll see what I mean.

See my post #32 above. I actually bought the smaller feet for mine from my dealer , $5.

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Hey Neal, I realize places carry different things, but I went by Home Depot first and couldn't find a bag over like 18". I went to Lowes and they only had a few that were 20". The stands actually measure out like 22" or so fully collapsed, but I took a chance and they fit fine (because it's a bag with some flex in it.)

I'd like to add a third Atlas Classic stand and I "think" it would fit fine, but it may be tight.

I see what you mean now by the smaller feet. I wasn't quite following ya at first. So now the hi-hats all come with these smaller feet? That's cool and a great idea! I wouldn't mind having them for the snare stand too.
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:59 PM
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Cool, thanks I'll look out for a bag that's at least 20" long.
I have a few 'home improvement' mega stores to try if Home Depot doesn't have something.

That bag is a great option for ANY light hardware setup. Worthy of its own thread.
So many drummers are desperate to 'lighten the load' so to speak.

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Old 06-27-2013, 09:05 PM
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Glad it's worked out for ya!

Yeah, that hat stand is really nice feeling. Those smaller feet look pretty nice too. Mine has the larger feet. I have them in the "low" position, & the cymbal stand legs go over top of the HH leg.
I'll have to get a set of the smaller feet. I don't really need them, but if they fold up closer to the tube, the less chance of "something" ever happening to the legs in the case (besides, I haven't bought anything in a long time :-) )

Having the feet on the cymbals stands get the legs of the floor, and over mic cables that always are on the stage. This makes them more like regular tripod stands in that regard compared to my DW FB stands.

I've just used the A Classic snare stand to hold the tom, and the small contact points on the basket really open the drums sound (and YES! the Acro Classic is a great sounding snare!)
The only beef I have with that snare stand is that it should be a multi-angle tilt, & not just tilt in one direction. THAT part about it is a little too "Classic". Seems like a multi angled basket be a given these days too, with all the options every little piece of gear has now.

I do like the tom flat, but just a little tilt when I use this stand would be nice.
For my snare it's just not that convenient as far as leg placement either, so I use my Pearl snare stand.
The Atlas is sturdy enough, but the way it has to tilt isn't good for my use with leg placements
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:21 PM
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...The only beef I have with that snare stand is that it should be a multi-angle tilt, & not just tilt in one direction. THAT part about it is a little too "Classic". Seems like a multi angled basket be a given these days too, with all the options every little piece of gear has now...
That actually confused me for a second when I first messed with it. I was surprised that it tilted side-to-side and not front-to-back like alot of other stands. Of course, I can just turn it sideways and have the front-to-back tilting. ha ha

If I get time this weekend, I'm gonna try my rack tom in it to see what happens. I haven't been happy with my rack tom in my other snare stands. It sounds best hanging in a RIMS style mount, but that's a little too loose and floppy with a 13" tom and smaller lighter weight stands.

Dude, I can't stop spending money. I'd say buying and selling crap is as fun to me as playing. Yes, that's sad, but it's true. :)
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