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Old 04-29-2013, 08:19 PM
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:22 PM
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That's probably the most pointless thread I've seen in a while.

What's better, yellow or purple? Please discuss...

Really, my fingers tell me to delete this thread. I'll wait for some more replies, but man, can it get any more pointless? Phew...
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This one time I read the title of a thread and clicked on it...then I wasted more time by reading the first post...then I read the second post, laughed a little to myself, and decided to post on the thread myself.

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Old 04-29-2013, 08:26 PM
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That's probably the most pointless thread I've seen in a while.

What's better, yellow or purple? Please discuss...

Really, my fingers tell me to delete this thread. I'll wait for some more replies, but man, can it get any more pointless? Phew...
i ask whats better i wanna know good and bed sides of both because to me too are the same
i put VS because i just didn't know how to set title
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If a tree falls in the forest.....and no one is around to hear it.....does it make a noise?

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That's probably the most pointless thread I've seen in a while.

What's better, yellow or purple? Please discuss...

Really, my fingers tell me to delete this thread. I'll wait for some more replies, but man, can it get any more pointless? Phew...
I'm going to go with purple. It's just how I feel.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:03 PM
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Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh... And the thread starter is a newbie.
So let me elaborate just a little bit to help fostering reasonable discussions in the future, or maybe apply some of the 'strategies' to this thread.

necksss,
look: You really really have to give a bit more info/introduction statement than you did. It's not enough to drop a few words and then lean back and expect a fruitful discussion. You need to do more!

What would that 'more' be?
Explaining your background/your own perspective on this, and why you started the thread, and what it is that you'd like to learn/discuss.

Ok, you said 'good' and 'bad' sides of both 'genres'. But here there's a whole bunch of aspects involved, and discussing every single one of them would be a huge task. You have to realise that some things can be discussed in a more or less objective way (statistics, percentage relationships, etc.) while others are subjective (one person likes it, another doesn't). So you really have to figure out some guidelines in order to get anything reasonable out of a (this) thread. You know what, it's even difficult to define what 'rock' vs. 'metal' is. We have entire discussions on those topics here! For some, Slayer isn't 'metal' etc. So in real life what you want to have as a nice and precise discussion result isn't that easy to even address - too many aspects/parameters involved, and too many things that have to be defined/narrowed down. That is, in my opinion.

Imagine you'd learn what you like to know. What would be the next step? Would you redirect your drumming activities? Would you avoid some music genres and start getting into other genres instead?

It's way easier to simply lean back, relax and listen to what music _you_ like and what drumming style is _your_ preference. Then simply go for it and don't care (too much) what others are saying.

To give other members an idea of even why you asked you should introduce yourself a bit so we'd know how long you've been drumming, what drumming goals you have etc, what benefit you might have from any outcome of this discussion. The more we know about the/your specific situation, the better we can react, the more specific the info/recommendations. So invest a bit more of your time/energy, give us more info and you'll get more/better feedback.

Ok, that was my honest attempt to contribute to this thread. But please... take a bit more time when creating threads and post a handful of sentences so people would have some clue what it is that you want to discuss.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:57 PM
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metal is usually more technical usually due to the blast beats, insane bpm and double pedal. which style is the best? depends who you ask, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:01 PM
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Rock breaks metal so, it wins this match up.

But sheet music covers rock so.....
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Rock: Does not rust in weather.

Metal: More uniform appearance.

Oh, we aren't talking about patio design...? My bad.
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hmmmm...starting 6 threads in 6 hours seems a little insincere. You may wish to post in the 'random thoughts' thread because thats what some of your queries are coming across as.
Devote soem effort to what you seek to find out from others here.
My image is you're sitting on Greyhound bus broke down on a road in the prairie somewhere with an iphone looking for something to do, lol
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RDX will break both with enough charge.

There's a con, mot&%*#&%.
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Yellow!

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At least he's not selling evening dresses.
Wait a minute....
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metal is usually more technical usually due to the blast beats, insane bpm and double pedal.
Yes, but there are far more morons at metal gigs.....so, this round goes to rock.
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Yes, but there are far more morons at metal gigs.....so, this round goes to rock.
Yep, definitely no morons at a Nickelback concert....
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What's better, yellow or purple? Please discuss...
Mmmmh, which one's best, I guess the battle rages on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cByP999tEXU

... but yellow seems to lost again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O74zc9aIe4o


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Old 04-30-2013, 01:09 AM
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Yep, definitely no morons at a Nickelback concert....
Ah, but you're assuming that Nickleback are rock and not self absorbed wankery, to begin with.
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That's probably the most pointless thread I've seen in a while.

What's better, yellow or purple? Please discuss...

Really, my fingers tell me to delete this thread. I'll wait for some more replies, but man, can it get any more pointless? Phew...
Hahaha! I was thinking the same thing. If metal weren't the most over-discussed topic on this board, maybe we could use some discussion about it.

I have a pet peeve with people asking others their opinion about something, but not offering up their own opinion.
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Hahaha! I was thinking the same thing. If metal weren't the most over-discussed topic on this board, maybe we could use some discussion about it.

I have a pet peeve with people asking others their opinion about something, but not offering up their own opinion.
We can turn this thread into another Ringo discussion if you like DMC :)

Who"s Best or Ringo...
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Metal first came from rock and still comes under the broader heading of rock - under the subheading of ores.

Extraction of metal from its rock base varies, depending on the type of metal. Usually it involves intense heat and the process produces a lot of smoke.
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Ah, but you're assuming that Nickleback are rock and not self absorbed wankery, to begin with.
That's quite an assumption. Nickelback falls under the heading of Camaro-rock, or as we used to say back in the day, butt-rock, which is less like rock and more like a steaming pile of not-rock.
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Metal first came from rock and still comes under the broader heading of rock - under the subheading of ores.

Extraction of metal from its rock base varies, depending on the type of metal. Usually it involves intense heat and the process produces a lot of smoke.
I had to draw myself a little Venn diagram to convince myself that all metal is rock but not all rock is metal. Is it even possible for metal to be better than rock? Maybe we're just comparing rock that isn't metal against metal that is rock? Wait, now I'm confused ... that happens a lot.

Cannot compute. Need. More. Input.
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Cannot compute. Need. More. Input.
Some soothing not-quite-jazz tones should do it. You know, Kenny G or the like.

Incidentally, what about not-quite-jazz vs not-quite-rock? Kenny G vs Nickleback.....the ultimate schmultz showdown!! Music to slit your wrists by.
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I had to draw myself a little Venn diagram to convince myself that all metal is rock but not all rock is metal. Is it even possible for metal to be better than rock? Maybe we're just comparing rock that isn't metal against metal that is rock? Wait, now I'm confused ... that happens a lot.

Cannot compute. Need. More. Input.
All metals (copper, gold etc.) come from rocks. When concentrated enough we call it 'ore'. How about a new genre named 'ore'? Basically high grade 'rock', or very pure 'metal'!

And yes absolutely yellow, and for sure Ringo.
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Music to slit your wrists by.
Have you been listening to Lars Ulrich Jules? or Meg White?
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On the subject of Rock, igneous vs. sedimentary vs. metamorphic?

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How about a new genre named 'ore'?
Metal-ore. Hey, why not? I was just thinking that metal could do with a new genre.....it's somewhat lacking in that area.

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Have you been listening to Lars Ulrich Jules? or Meg White?
I'll sheepishly admit to having seen Metallica on their last visit Downunder. I purposely didn't look at Lars though......just in case I was accused of being a fan!!

As for Meg.......well, I've seen her video. You know, that video. The one who is supposedly not her, but if you squint a bit and turn your head to the right angle.....it could be her. Does that count?
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That's quite an assumption. Nickelback falls under the heading of Camaro-rock, or as we used to say back in the day, butt-rock, ...

Cannot compute. Need. More. Input.
Always happy to help, young Michael.

The bulk of the nickelback mined comes from two types of bore deposits. The first are craperites where the principal ore minerals are nickeliferous craperite: (Cr, Ni)O(OH) and commercialite (a heinous nickel slickate): (Ni, Cm)3Sl2O5(OH)4. The second are adolescent stonide deposits where the principal ore mineral is stonerite: (Ni, Sto)9S8.


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Incidentally, what about not-quite-jazz vs not-quite-rock? Kenny G vs Nickleback.....the ultimate schmultz showdown!! Music to slit your wrists by.
Kenny G actually comes under MOR Metal - sill retaining the harsh and abrasive aspects that are disliked by many people.

People are still fooled by Meg - I hear that it was actually Bernard Purdie.
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Some soothing not-quite-jazz tones should do it. You know, Kenny G or the like.

Incidentally, what about not-quite-jazz vs not-quite-rock? Kenny G vs Nickleback.....the ultimate schmultz showdown!! Music to slit your wrists by.
Hey, isn't he the OG? :-P

I'd call that the ultimate schmultz meltdown - even the schumultz doesn't deserve that. And the visual has already caused me to slit my wrists so may my untimely demise forever weigh on your depraved soul.

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Always happy to help, young Michael.

The bulk of the nickelback mined comes from two types of bore deposits. The first are craperites where the principal ore minerals are nickeliferous craperite: (Cr, Ni)O(OH) and commercialite (a heinous nickel slickate): (Ni, Cm)3Sl2O5(OH)4. The second are adolescent stonide deposits where the principal ore mineral is stonerite: (Ni, Sto)9S8.
Thank you for that clarification - I had a feeling there might have been a scientific explanation for their abomination.
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Kenny G actually comes under MOR Metal - sill retaining the harsh and abrasive aspects that are disliked by many people.
But he IS the original G, yo. His cameo in Katie Perry's Friday Night video lent it all the cred it deserved. Word.

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Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh... And the thread starter is a newbie.
So let me elaborate just a little bit to help fostering reasonable discussions in the future, or maybe apply some of the 'strategies' to this thread.

necksss,
look: You really really have to give a bit more info/introduction statement than you did. It's not enough to drop a few words and then lean back and expect a fruitful discussion. You need to do more!

What would that 'more' be?
Explaining your background/your own perspective on this, and why you started the thread, and what it is that you'd like to learn/discuss.

Ok, you said 'good' and 'bad' sides of both 'genres'. But here there's a whole bunch of aspects involved, and discussing every single one of them would be a huge task. You have to realise that some things can be discussed in a more or less objective way (statistics, percentage relationships, etc.) while others are subjective (one person likes it, another doesn't). So you really have to figure out some guidelines in order to get anything reasonable out of a (this) thread. You know what, it's even difficult to define what 'rock' vs. 'metal' is. We have entire discussions on those topics here! For some, Slayer isn't 'metal' etc. So in real life what you want to have as a nice and precise discussion result isn't that easy to even address - too many aspects/parameters involved, and too many things that have to be defined/narrowed down. That is, in my opinion.

Imagine you'd learn what you like to know. What would be the next step? Would you redirect your drumming activities? Would you avoid some music genres and start getting into other genres instead?

It's way easier to simply lean back, relax and listen to what music _you_ like and what drumming style is _your_ preference. Then simply go for it and don't care (too much) what others are saying.

To give other members an idea of even why you asked you should introduce yourself a bit so we'd know how long you've been drumming, what drumming goals you have etc, what benefit you might have from any outcome of this discussion. The more we know about the/your specific situation, the better we can react, the more specific the info/recommendations. So invest a bit more of your time/energy, give us more info and you'll get more/better feedback.

Ok, that was my honest attempt to contribute to this thread. But please... take a bit more time when creating threads and post a handful of sentences so people would have some clue what it is that you want to discuss.
Very helpful post for this guy (the OP). You must type as fast as you play double bass Arky otherwise you wouldnt spend the time to write this. Or, maybe you just care a lot.
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In that video... ???


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Ah, but you're assuming that Nickleback are rock and not self absorbed wankery, to begin with.
And here I thought Nickelback were the epitome of "rawk n' roll" ; )
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And here I thought Nickelback were the epitome of "rawk n' roll" ; )
Oh, but they are! See, here's the gist of it: rawk != rock, with rawk being the steaming pile of not-rock. I could be wrong about that, but that's how my brain does the sorting.
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On the same level - there is nothing 'Rock' about 'Kid Rock'. Except him being a total arse.
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Always happy to help, young Michael.

The bulk of the nickelback mined comes from two types of bore deposits. The first are craperites where the principal ore minerals are nickeliferous craperite: (Cr, Ni)O(OH) and commercialite (a heinous nickel slickate): (Ni, Cm)3Sl2O5(OH)4. The second are adolescent stonide deposits where the principal ore mineral is stonerite: (Ni, Sto)9S8.

Kenny G actually comes under MOR Metal - sill retaining the harsh and abrasive aspects that are disliked by many people.

People are still fooled by Meg - I hear that it was actually Bernard Purdie.
Funniest.... post... ever....
Here's a periodic table to help everyone digest what Anon is alluding to here (sadly, craperite and commercialite were not included).
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Children of Bodom are classified as 'Death' these days?! Either they've changed massively since I was a fan or that chart is a little forgiving!
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Love the periodic table! Only gripe is a lack of important and hugely influential prog metals like King Crimson (Kc), Dream Theater (Dt) and Tool (T) ... or I might have missed them since I have the attention span of a gnat.
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Love the periodic table! Only gripe is a lack of important and hugely influential prog metals like King Crimson (Kc), Dream Theater (Dt) and Tool (T) ... or I might have missed them since I have the attention span of a gnat.
Need to get that attention span looked at Anon- Dream Theatre is indeed there under "Transition Metals" : )
Also, disappointed no-one has yet made the joke that craperite/ commercialite were included after all (insert "name of that band you hate" here).
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Default Re: Rock VS Metal drumming

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Need to get that attention span looked at Anon- Dream Theatre is indeed there under "Transition Metals" : )
Also, disappointed no-one has yet made the joke that craperite/ commercialite were included after all (insert "name of that band you hate" here).
That's okay, Todd, I'm ADHD so there's no attention span to actually look at ... if there ain't a search function, chances are I won't find it. As it is, I usually ignore DT anyway :)

Crimson is a massive omission - throw a stone at that table and chances are you'll hit someone influenced by Red or LTIA Pt II.
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Very helpful post for this guy (the OP). You must type as fast as you play double bass Arky otherwise you wouldnt spend the time to write this. Or, maybe you just care a lot.
Haha - thanks!

I'm ok at typing but not really super fast.
Double bass is way easier - I'm just firing away 16th/32nd notes most of the time, you don't need much brain processing to do so. When writing posts though it's usually a stop-and-go regime, with several edits as my thoughts keep evolving. Seems I have a non-linear brain ;-)

I think I'll save that explanation post for future reference. Saves typing the same stuff next time.
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